Port Cash Crisis = ? for SANFL Clubs and Comp?

[tipper]

csbowes...

I wonder if you would have the same view had YOUR club been FORCED to merge with North in the mid-90s?

You spend lots of time telling everyone how you are the WWT Eagles and get cranky at any mention of hybrids or merger, yet take almost every opportunity to go back to that time. No wonder you're still bitter.

I am surprised that you don't get it, Mal.
Let's say Port Magpies were forced to merge - for sake of argument, with West.
The merged entity is known as the West Adelaide Magpies.
Assuming you have NO interest in AFL, would YOU support the 'new' club or go & support Glenelg, Norwood, Centrals or one of the other clubs?

Would you have had me support one of the other 8 clubs?
I am against ALL FORCED MERGERS - in fact I supported Sturt's efforts to stand alone in the mid 90s, by contributing financially.

Ask a Fitzroy Fan if they are happy with what happened to their club in Melbourne - hang on, wasn't it said same club that caused their demise also?? Hmmm... call me a cynic but this is also the club that said, nay categorically stated they would have 35K+ every week to the footy.
How is PAFC any different to the basket case that Fitzroy were supposedly considered.

What annoys me most is people on here say things like... "spit the dummy", "caved in", "gave up", etc. when referring to West Torrens merging with Woodville. Let's be straight here, it was a FORCED MERGER because of the fear that the competition was going to die. Our $300 000 debt appears somewhat like 'chicken feed' compared to the MILLIONS that the SANFL are continually paying out to Port.

Does that make me bitter?
Damn Right!

This is completely off topic, but why do you keep calling Booney, Mal? that is twice now in this one thread isnt it? you do know they are different people right?

[Booney]

This is completely off topic, but why do you keep calling Booney, Mal? that is twice now in this one thread isnt it? you do know they are different people right?

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[smithy]

Assuming you have NO interest in AFL, would YOU support the 'new' club or go & support Glenelg, Norwood, Centrals or one of the other!

I would support one of the other 8 clubs.
If North and Sturt had merged they would have been my most disliked club in the competition.

Not according to my signature.

[LPH]

This is completely off topic, but why do you keep calling Booney, Mal? that is twice now in this one thread isnt it? you do know they are different people right?

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Sorry... thought you were the same person

Please accept my sincere apology... my bad.

But point is still valid

[Booney]

This is completely off topic, but why do you keep calling Booney, Mal? that is twice now in this one thread isnt it? you do know they are different people right?

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Sorry... thought you were the same person

Please accept my sincere apology... my bad.

But point is still valid

If and when you meet mal, if and when you meet me, you'll apologise...


( to me )

[LPH]

All fixed

[gossipgirl]

I've read this whole thread with great interest and have a few comments...

Port Adelaide knifed the SANFL back in the day and so blah blah whinge whinge cry cry toss the toys out of the pram

Seriously.

Take a look around you at who you were going to the footy with and/or discussing the footy with back in the 1980's. How many of those so-called fans walked away from their SANFL clubs to support the stupid Crows? I loved talking about Sturt with my mates who followed Norwood, Port Adelaide, West Torrens and so on... where are they now?

They follow the AFL... wouldn't even know what is going on in the SANFL. So regardless of whether Port Adelaide got the ball rolling, which led us to where we are now with piss poor attendances and media coverage, it was the fans that walked away from the SANFL.

Port Adelaide presidents and board members did not run around to the houses of the 50,000 or so fans who used to attend SANFL games each week and bop them one to stop them from attending. The fact is people had a choice and they chose to ditch the SANFL.

Port Adelaide were just given $4 zillion dollars recently and they've blown it like complete losers!

I agree.

BUT...

Port Adelaide didn't go to the ATM and withdraw the cash. They asked a bunch of supposedly well-informed business type people representing our clubs for money and each of them dipped into their pocket and handed it over.

Asking Port Adelaide why they're so stupid is like getting hold of that Nigerian guy and asking him what he did with your wife's money, I think most of us would be asking our wife why she gave the money in the first place!

Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me.

So... maybe we should be directing our questions and/or criticisms to our own presidents and board members and asking them why we should continue to trust their business acumen.

I'm not trying to defend Port Adelaide or admonish them from any blame with regards their current financial predicament, but I think it's a bit too easy to point the finger at them as the centre of everything that is evil and nasty in the AFL. I'm a great believer that the AFL is presenting us with a sanitised p*** poor product and we need a good round of witch burnings to sort it out, but that said our league, our footballing public have the power to improve things considerably.

Unfortunately Crows and Power supporters have walked away from the clubs they supposedly support, just like they did when they walked away from the SANFL many years ago and that has hurt the 11 clubs (once 12) of this state.

and the world is still flat .... seriously you should write for the advertiser. you could be the new rucci

[LPH]

@ gg

[mal]

Todays quote from a Port official

"" Most imPORTantly we have to keep people believing this is an authentic football club[rather than a AFL managed franchise playing for Television time slots]""




1997 PP V CA 40,116
2010 PP V CA 30,228

[The Sleeping Giant]

Todays quote from a Port official

"" Most imPORTantly we have to keep people believing this is an authentic football club[rather than a AFL managed franchise playing for Television time slots]""

One of those teams beat Port a few weeks ago.

[hereselmo1]

But we did beat the SANFL managed franchise

[csbowes]

csbowes...

I wonder if you would have the same view had YOUR club been FORCED to merge with North in the mid-90s?

I think Woodville have a lot more to complain about than you. Torrens didn't survive due to lack of fans and lack of money, frankly not enough people gave a damn about the two clubs. I'd have them back in a heartbeat if it were up to me. In addition, no one came handing out dosh to Sturt or North when they hit the wall. Geez we came last 8 years in a row just to maximise our own chances of going to the wall and yet we survived.

I'd be more disappointed in my own clubs officials and supporters than anyone else...

That said, your post doesn't rebutt anything I said. I was merely pointing out to people that the SANFL is in the state it is because everyone walked away from the league. 40,000 fans a week got up and walked over to Crowland and decided to follow that rubbish team rather than stick to their tried and true club in the SANFL. Our inclusion into the AFL was done and dusted as soon as the WAFL capitulated in 1987. If Port had remained angelic, we still would have joined and more than likely, everyone would still have dropped the SANFL like yesterday's garbage and moved to the AFL.

My disappointment is with those so called die hard fans who walked away from their clubs at that time... that's who should be receiving our criticism for the state of the league, not Port Adelaide the club.

[csbowes]

and the world is still flat .... seriously you should write for the advertiser. you could be the new rucci

OK... amusing retort but what is wrong with what I said?

No one forced those SANFL fans to desert the league. They did it of their own accord. There isn't a single one that could logically state that Port Adelaide made them leave the SANFL. Each of them could have continued to watch local football.

No one forced my club to agree to hand Port money. They did it of their own accord. There isn't a single one that will come out publicly and state they were forced, coerced, conned or whatever, so as far as I'm concerned they voluntarily helped out.

You have to take responsibility for your own actions. You can't blame everyone else...

I'm not about to ring up Port Adelaide and ask them what are they going to do to get fans back to the SANFL or what their intentions are with the money my club loaned them. I'd rather direct my questions to Matt Benson and ask him what my club intends to do to keep the league as strong as it can be and what it's position is now that we've loaned Port Adelaide money and yet they've still put out their hand Oliver-like ("Please sir, can I have some more?") asking to the AFL for more...

It just seems to me that people are directing their venom at the wrong target. You can criticise Port Adelaide for being run poorly, but their share of the blame for what's happening in our league is not that big in my opinion.

[HOORAY PUNT]

I apologise but I haven't read through all this thread as I am tired of all the excuses however I did hear on 5AA sports show that Cornesy believes that the SANFL clubs will pay through dividends from the Crows & Port as well as the AFL demandinga reduction in salary cap . Can someonne please explain how this is possible in particular the salary cap ? I cant see how that has anything to do with it. The only positive with all this is people arestarting towake upto Demetriou after all these years . Dictator ruining footy and forgetting about the most important aspect to hhis empire ................the foundation.

[csbowes]

Assuming you have NO interest in AFL, would YOU support the 'new' club or go & support Glenelg, Norwood, Centrals or one of the other clubs?

It would have depended on who we merged with actually...

Norwood... no way.

North Adelaide... maybe, maybe not.

South Adelaide... yes.

But assuming it was Norwood (and that was the merger-cum-AFL-license-grab that I voted against) I would have supported one of the other teams... not West or North though!

I am against ALL FORCED MERGERS - in fact I supported Sturt's efforts to stand alone in the mid 90s, by contributing financially.

Cheers for that... much appreciated... I did the same for Port Adelaide many years back...

Our $300 000 debt appears somewhat like 'chicken feed' compared to the MILLIONS that the SANFL are continually paying out to Port.

Yeah well blame the SANFL for that, not Port Adelaide. The SANFL refused to help anyone out because they were total tossers, so you weren't alone there. I don't remember any hugging and loving being given to Sturt...

[LPH]

It would have depended on who we merged with actually...
Norwood... no way.
North Adelaide... maybe, maybe not.
South Adelaide... yes.

My point exactly... that is why I supported the 'new' entity.
I never had an issue with Woodville, as such (I did have an issue with their addition to an already crowded Western Suburbs & the loss of much of West Torrens Zone).

Had we (WTFC) been forced to merge with Glenelg, or (God forbid) Port - no way.

[Barto]

I apologise but I haven't read through all this thread as I am tired of all the excuses however I did hear on 5AA sports show that Cornesy believes that the SANFL clubs will pay through dividends from the Crows & Port as well as the AFL demandinga reduction in salary cap . Can someonne please explain how this is possible in particular the salary cap ? I cant see how that has anything to do with it. The only positive with all this is people arestarting towake upto Demetriou after all these years . Dictator ruining footy and forgetting about the most important aspect to hhis empire ................the foundation.

Perhaps the clubs can just turn a blind eye to paper bag dealings.

The salary cap in the WAFL is a furphy anyway, it's funny how a former AFL player can be earning around $100K a year when the salary cap is supposedly around half the SANFL's. Easy to circumvent when you've got a job you barely have to turn up at.

The thing is, the employment situation in Perth is a bit different to Adelaide's and the SANFL clubs have every right to balance that out by using their own income streams that the WAFL clubs do not have access to.

[Go Legs]

Why is it that I have this strong gut feel that when Adelaide Oval is complete and Port (who knows what they will call themselves by then) will be given their own licence and the bill to support Port until then supposedly $9m by the AFL will be lobbed at the SANFL feet as compensation for the original licence.

Hence the SANFL gets nothing for its licence, Port get exactly what it originally wanted for nothing, We all have the huge costs of Adelaide Oval to cover as a community in the hope that Port come out of this clean skinned (Politically) and have a huge following.

Me thinks If it looks like, smells like, it is a conspiracy

Cheers,

[LPH]

Why is it that I have this strong gut feel that when Adelaide Oval is complete and Port (who knows what they will call themselves by then) will be given their own licence and the bill to support Port until then supposedly $9m by the AFL will be lobbed at the SANFL feet as compensation for the original licence.

Hence the SANFL gets nothing for its licence, Port get exactly what it originally wanted for nothing, We all have the huge costs of Adelaide Oval to cover as a community in the hope that Port come out of this clean skinned (Politically) and have a huge following.

Me thinks If it looks like, smells like, it is a conspiracy

Cheers,

That's been my feeling all along - waste of money going to AO & it won't fix the problem of 'neutrals' not supporting them & yes, they get what they originally set out to achieve.

As for conspiracy - maybe the deal was done back then, who knows?

[Wedgie]

Yeah, it was all a part of Ports secret mission statement to fail on the field, go broke, lose any power they had of their own fate and have their clubs run by outside interests in the hope it might be given back to them when they could then turn everything around and take over the world.
Gimme a freaking break!
You'd have more chance of finding intelligent life forms at Woodville Oval.