Port Cash Crisis = ? for SANFL Clubs and Comp?

[Wedgie]

Footys dearer in Melbourne, make it the same price here and noone would go.
The cheapest tickets in the nation are in Adelaide!
They also get more live footy on tv in Melbourne and more options of other sports to go watch!

[The Sleeping Giant]

Im confused
The AFL is going to prop up PP to the tune of 9 million
Should the other clubs get the same monetary infusion ?

Some have in the past
But whaddabout the financial clubs
To me itsa kick in the guts to the financially successful AFL clubs

I demand Collingwood be given $9m also. The Lexus center is looking a little run down.

Did you say the same thing when Sydney (as well as Brisbane, the Kangaroos and WB) received their financial assistance (not to mention the vast recruiting concessions provided to Sydney and Brisbane)?

I thought it was fairly obvious I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with Port receiving a handout.

Even though it's OFF TOPIC, what recruiting concessions have Sydney received?

[sjt]

Footys dearer in Melbourne, make it the same price here and noone would go.
The cheapest tickets in the nation are in Adelaide!
They also get more live footy on tv in Melbourne and more options of other sports to go watch!

Although we're fed how great the AFL is going, in the last few rounds, some crowds at a glance. WB v HAW 30,000, NM V SYD 24,000, STK V ML 28,000, NM v ML 23,000. All but one of the mentioned are two Victorian based clubs playing.
I't would be interesting to know what each clubs crowd average is when hosting an interstate team. Anyone?

[Wedgie]

Sydney received draft concessions around 1993 along with Brisbane and Richmond.
Brisbane and Sydney also were given priority selections of up to 3 players in their state and both were allowed lists of 60 instead of 52 like the other clubs.

[JK]

Think the Swans received some small Salary Cap relief (commensurate with the city's higher cost of living) at around the same time Brisbane did, maybe this is what's being referred to? (Not that I think it's really been much of a leg up for either club)

[GWW]

Im confused
The AFL is going to prop up PP to the tune of 9 million
Should the other clubs get the same monetary infusion ?

Some have in the past
But whaddabout the financial clubs
To me itsa kick in the guts to the financially successful AFL clubs

I demand Collingwood be given $9m also. The Lexus center is looking a little run down.

Did you say the same thing when Sydney (as well as Brisbane, the Kangaroos and WB) received their financial assistance (not to mention the vast recruiting concessions provided to Sydney and Brisbane)?

I thought it was fairly obvious I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with Port receiving a handout.

Even though it's OFF TOPIC, what recruiting concessions have Sydney received?

OK, i may have lost the context of your post, but nonethless my point is that Port is not the first team to receive a handout, which has also been pointed out by other posters on this thread.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Swans

Attendances consistently dropped below 10,000 when the team performed poorly between 1990 and 1994. The side won the wooden spoon in 1992, 1993 and 1994.

The AFL stepped in to save the Swans, offering substantial monetary and management support. The club survived, despite strong rumours in 1992 that it would merge with the Brisbane Bears or fold altogether. With draft and salary cap concessions in the early 1990s and a series of notable recruits, the team fielded a competitive team after the early part of the decade. During this time, the side was largely held together by two inspirational skippers, both from the Wagga Wagga region of country New South Wales, Dennis Carroll and later the courageous captain Paul Kelly.

[Sojourner]

Pretty sure that North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs have also received assistance from the AFL to get long term plans established to make them profitable.

[The Sleeping Giant]

OK, i may have lost the context of your post, but nonethless my point is that Port is not the first team to receive a handout, which has also been pointed out by other posters on this thread.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Swans

Attendances consistently dropped below 10,000 when the team performed poorly between 1990 and 1994. The side won the wooden spoon in 1992, 1993 and 1994.

The AFL stepped in to save the Swans, offering substantial monetary and management support. The club survived, despite strong rumours in 1992 that it would merge with the Brisbane Bears or fold altogether. With draft and salary cap concessions in the early 1990s and a series of notable recruits, the team fielded a competitive team after the early part of the decade. During this time, the side was largely held together by two inspirational skippers, both from the Wagga Wagga region of country New South Wales, Dennis Carroll and later the courageous captain Paul Kelly.

I thought you were talking about "special" draft concessions. Not the same one's that nearly every team gets.

I also wouldn't take Wikipedia as fact. Some odd things get through the system. Like this for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Richards

Once again, I have no problem with Port receiving a cash handout.

[hereselmo1]

Duncanson on 5AA now....."Its a great day for the Port Adelaide football club......"

Yes, wonderful Brett

And didnt know why the 4 Directors resigned today, hang on arent you the President?

How any Port member could have faith in this club after they go from one disaster to another and arent honest with them has got me beat...

Wakelin stepped down 8 weeks ago. The other three (including the SANFL appointed observer!) resigned as a protest about the way the SANFL have been interfereing with the running of the club.

There are two groups here who are in lots of debt. One of them has improved their bottom line by 2.5 million in the last year. Everyone involved, including the SANFL elected observers agree's that Port's board are doing a good job. Port is not the one I am worried about!

[GWW]

Yes wikipedia isn't always reliable, however, it does outline the assistance the Swans received. And without labouring the point as I acknowledge you're not debating the point that Port don't deserve some type of assistance, but just to refer back to Sydney in the early 90's, they were able to recruit Lockett, Roos and Maxfield, 3 quality players, around the same time, something (ie. multiple early draft picks) that isn't available to Port. Likewise the "cost of living" allowance afforded to the Swans.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Lockett, Roos and Maxfield recruited to Sydney was all above board. Cost of living has been done to death.

Can we get back on topic please? Mods?

[Dirko]

Footys dearer in Melbourne, make it the same price here and noone would go.
The cheapest tickets in the nation are in Adelaide!
They also get more live footy on tv in Melbourne and more options of other sports to go watch!

Yep - online prices.

$102.80 for 2 Adults / 2 kids to the 'G to watch the Bombers v the Dees compared to $82.70 for the same amount of people to watch Port.

Still an expensive day !!

[Dutchy]

The AFL is giving an estimated 9 million to prop up Port power in the next few years
What are Adelaide Crows going to get ?

Nothing, like when they hand out money to Kangaroos, Bulldogs etc that doesnt mean they give money to Collingwood and Carlton.

Pretty sure that North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs have also received assistance from the AFL to get long term plans established to make them profitable.

Seriously wish people would get their facts right about North receiving financial assistance. They have NEVER received anything like this proposed offer to Port.

North Melbourne (as with almost every many other clubs) receive an annual payment via the ASD, based on clubs that dont get favoured by the draw (which allows the AFL to schedule the blockbuster games to maximise the $)

» A total of $7.1 million was paid from the AFL’s Annual
Special Distribution fund in 2010 to the following clubs:
• Western Bulldogs Football Club ($1.7 million)
• North Melbourne Football Club ($1.4 million)
• Port Adelaide Football Club ($1.25 million)
• Melbourne Football Club ($1.0 million)
• Sydney Swans Football Club ($0.8 million)
• Carlton Football Club ($0.6 million)
• Richmond Football Club ($0.4 million)

So now please stop the "hope the AFL give the same support they give North and the Bullies" cause they already do...

[Dirko]

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[redandblack]

Duncanson on 5AA now....."Its a great day for the Port Adelaide football club......"

Yes, wonderful Brett

And didnt know why the 4 Directors resigned today, hang on arent you the President?

How any Port member could have faith in this club after they go from one disaster to another and arent honest with them has got me beat...

Wakelin stepped down 8 weeks ago. The other three (including the SANFL appointed observer!) resigned as a protest about the way the SANFL have been interfereing with the running of the club. There are two groups here who are in lots of debt. One of them has improved their bottom line by 2.5 million in the last year. Everyone involved, including the SANFL elected observers agree's that Port's board are doing a good job. Port is not the one I am worried about!

What evidence do you have to support these statements

[heater31]

• Carlton Football Club ($0.6 million)

What entitles Carlton to 600 k a year from the AFL??

Port Adelaid FC bleeding money does not help the SANFL out of its cash crisis. It needs to fix this first then set about fixing their own.

[Dutchy]

Carlton got over $2m in assistance in 2006

[on the rails]

I have read this thread with interest since since this story broke as well as "thepowerfromport" forums and "Adelaide Now" comments.

First off, this site (despite what we all think at times) has passionate and in the main well balanced views and opinions on this whole "Port Adelaide" mess. The other two sites I mentioned are full of half truths, emotional rants and bullshit finger pointing and blame at the SANFL and in particular the 8 State League Clubs.

I wish I could post even half of what I know about this mess and the potential impact "it may have" on the SANFL and the State League Comp but I cannot simply because it is both confidential and controversial. Posters like the well balanced Phil H, Dutchy and a couple of others from their close involvement with their clubs probably are privy to some or all I know behind the scenes about this mess SA Football has got itself in - and to be honest not intentionally although some or one party in particular is far more at fault than any other!

My only comment re blame is to say that the PAFC should look in their own backyard and so should "scaremongers" like Rucci who continue to perpetuate the myth that the 8 non Port SANFL Clubs are "bleeding" the AFL Clubs and in particular the PAFC dry of their hard earned funds! Trust me it is all mostly bullshit!

The dividend that the SANFL clubs receive from the AFL and SANFL $$$ is already dictated to by the AFL in terms of where it goes and I know for fact fact that my club and 1 other (and I'm sure it is the same with the remainder) have to direct that money back into youth and zone development.

80 percent of the dividend returned to the SANFL clubs is not money directly raised or funded by either the Crows or Power, although you could argue AFL distribution money for TV rights could be tied to each club and collectively due to them producing the event - e.g. Providing the actual product?

Choose to believe this or not - but anyone close enough to their SANFL Clubs and their Admin / Boards can find out the "real story".

Time for the 8 SANFL clubs to make a stand united and once and for all and call the SANFL Executive and Commission to task or form a breakaway league without AFL influence to the level it is at present or will be out of our control by the time the AO revamp is complete? If we don't we are in serious danger of seeing the SANFL as we know it "diluted" severely to just a feeder comp most likely branded "AFLSA"!

TIME TO ACT NOW before it is too late!

[saintal]

My letter to the PAFC :

To the Board and Management of the Port Adelaide Football Club.....

[CUTTERMAN]

On The Rails, good post but it opens up more questions than it answers. I'd like to know more.