Grade Cricket

[Bag The Points]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

This was the point you made. How did we completely miss this point?
Cheers

P.S. A Grade cricket club tried an interesting move re College players a couple of seasons ago. They told the players that if they played College cricket in Term Four rather than club cricket then they would be less likely to play for the club during their holidays. Result: After losing a number of players to a neighbouring club, the club soon changed their policy.

Seeing as you asked
And before you say "the players want to" the key word is "if"
It seems your experience is more of players wanting to play for School but under pressure from clubs to play for the club. If so, I'm all for your lads playing for the School.
My experience regarding our players has it the other way around.
bottom line-- It's surely up to the players !!!

[bulldogproud2]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

This was the point you made. How did we completely miss this point?
Cheers

P.S. A Grade cricket club tried an interesting move re College players a couple of seasons ago. They told the players that if they played College cricket in Term Four rather than club cricket then they would be less likely to play for the club during their holidays. Result: After losing a number of players to a neighbouring club, the club soon changed their policy.

Seeing as you asked
And before you say "the players want to" the key word is "if"
It seems your experience is more of players wanting to play for School but under pressure from clubs to play for the club. If so, I'm all for your lads playing for the School.
My experience regarding our players has it the other way around.
bottom line-- It's surely up to the players !!!

.. and as stated before, if the players truly wish to play for their club rather than the school, in many cases they can. They just need to do an alternate co-curricular activity. So, yes, in many cases, students choose to play school cricket in preference to club cricket.
I am still worried by your first post 'College cricket should be played on weekdays'. Can you not see that this is a ridiculous stance to take??? This is the prime point which you completely seem to have missed.
Cheers

[Tony Clifton]

Only a handful of the colleges release kids to play A Grade cricket. Most don't care what grade you are playing - it's school first. They invest a lot of money in their cricket program and a strong cricket program is a strong selling point, particularly to boarders. They aren't going to lose to the school down the road. And some of the kids are on scholarships too... why invest those dollars for them to play for someone else?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Playing college cricket doesn't really hurt and there are enough opportunities with training, Sunday matches, games during the holidays and state squad stuff for the talented players to get enough of a taste of higher cricket. The only issue is that you are starting to see kids picked for 1st XI in Year 9. That means four years of cricket at the same level. Easy to stagnate in this environment.

[bulldogproud2]

Only a handful of the colleges release kids to play A Grade cricket. Most don't care what grade you are playing - it's school first. They invest a lot of money in their cricket program and a strong cricket program is a strong selling point, particularly to boarders. They aren't going to lose to the school down the road. And some of the kids are on scholarships too... why invest those dollars for them to play for someone else?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Playing college cricket doesn't really hurt and there are enough opportunities with training, Sunday matches, games during the holidays and state squad stuff for the talented players to get enough of a taste of higher cricket. The only issue is that you are starting to see kids picked for 1st XI in Year 9. That means four years of cricket at the same level. Easy to stagnate in this environment.

Although I agree with much of what was stated here, most Colleges do release players automatically for A Grade club commitments. Even St. Peter's and Prince Alfred College do, unless they have something like an Intercoll on that weekend. We managed to have both James and Kelvin Smith play a number of games for West Torrens A Grade whilst they were still at PAC.
Cheers

[FOOTY TALK]

G.Manou to captain East Torrens next season!!!!!

offer was on the table has decided to go to victoria to be with tamsyn.

[FOOTY TALK]

aaron sayers to adelaide or port adelaide.

[Footy Smart]

aaron sayers to adelaide or port adelaide.

I have heard that Port's new batting coach will put the creams back on and play for them when he gets itchy feet half way through the year.

[Westsider]

Who is Port's new batting coach?

[Footy Smart]

Enough about this college cricket shite.

Good article about Berry's plans for teh Redbacks and the culture of cricket in the state. I think its a great idea for grade clubs to see more of their State players and more emphasis on the grade clubs to have/get better facilities and coaching. Also, good that he has said he is not going to have average interstate cricketers on his list but coach and improve our younger talent that is coming through

[FOOTY TALK]

Who is Port's new batting coach?

luke williams

[Slots It Through]

aaron sayers to adelaide or port adelaide.

I have heard that Port's new batting coach will put the creams back on and play for them when he gets itchy feet half way through the year.

I have heard he will put the creams on for ball 1 of Round 1.

[Westsider]

Who is Port's new batting coach?

luke williams

no comment

[turbo182]

Heard a lot of Woodvilles senior squad are pretty miffed about hooper being re-appointed?

Exodus on the cards?

On the super league - 6 teams, and 2012/13 is what i've heard. But about 289168959 to sort out before they let the clubs know. Not that I'm at the level to get a game, but a 'club vs super-league' debate will be a regular occurence at all clubs! I know a few guys at my club will be good enough to play at that level, but i could see them turning it down for a game for us...

Jsut one of a whole heaps of potential problems I guess.

[Slots It Through]

Who is Port's new batting coach?

luke williams

no comment

Whats wrong Westsider, you dont think Luke has made enough runs to be the batting coach at Port Adelaide?

[Westsider]

Luke has made lots of runs, 3 bradman medals too I think? Although I regularly got him out in U14 and 16's lol. I think I peaked too early haha.

However, having talent on the field doesn't necessarily mean you have talent to teach others however. I just don't think Luke has the temperament to be a batting coach at this point in time.

I think it's just an easy way for Port to pay to get a player but write it off as a coaching expense.

[Slots It Through]

Luke has made lots of runs, 3 bradman medals too I think? Although I regularly got him out in U14 and 16's lol. I think I peaked too early haha.

However, having talent on the field doesn't necessarily mean you have talent to teach others however. I just don't think Luke has the temperament to be a batting coach at this point in time.

I think it's just an easy way for Port to pay to get a player but write it off as a coaching expense.

There was no certainty to Luke playing when he decided to move into a coaching role at Port. The fact that he is likely to play now is a bonus. His experience will be invaluable, and i think going forward he would be a very good mentor to the younger batsmen.

[C Horse]

Heard a lot of Woodvilles senior squad are pretty miffed about hooper being re-appointed?

Exodus on the cards?

Cant have done to bad a job didnt Woodville win the club Championship last season? and make the finals in A grade?
And the one-day final where they were undone by the mighty Seahorses!!!!!

[mickey]

I have heard that Port's new batting coach will put the creams back on and play for them when he gets itchy feet half way through the year.

Sounds like some players are on the move, anyone else got any names floating around?

and threatened with

That was my info late March.. interesting to find out who spilled the beans...

[heater31]

Luke has made lots of runs, 3 bradman medals too I think? Although I regularly got him out in U14 and 16's lol. I think I peaked too early haha.

However, having talent on the field doesn't necessarily mean you have talent to teach others however. I just don't think Luke has the temperament to be a batting coach at this point in time.

I think it's just an easy way for Port to pay to get a player but write it off as a coaching expense.

There was no certainty to Luke playing when he decided to move into a coaching role at Port. The fact that he is likely to play now is a bonus. His experience will be invaluable, and i think going forward he would be a very good mentor to the younger batsmen.

If he does it makes all the whoha Adelaide put on at the end of the season a bit pointless.

[Iron Fist]

Regardless of the school and regardless of the club – surely it is up to the kid!

You will find that in many Colleges, it is indeed 'up to the kid'. These colleges do impose a minimum co-curricular involvement which all students must comply with, however they do not specify what activities you MUST be involved in. If a student wished to play Grade cricket rather than for the College, then they may participate in other co-curricular activities than cricket. For example, a student could play squash or chess on a Friday night, participate in debating on a weeknight, be involved in liturgical ensembles etc. The reason why they play cricket for the school is largely BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR CHOICE, that is what they want to do. Who can blame them? They get to play with the guys they spend their whole week with, those whom they are closest to and in a community they may have been a part of for 13 years by that stage.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE club cricket, particularly West Torrens. I, myself, decided to do the stats for my school's football team so that I could be involved as a scorer at West Torrens. As with the students, us teachers have co-curricular requirements as well. To be involved in club cricket, I arranged it so that my co-curricular was not cricket - students can do the same. It means that I don't get to many Central games at all nowadays but sometimes you make sacrifices for the things you love - I love my students, my school and the mighty West Torrens Cricket Club. If students love their Club more than their school team, they could do a similar action - do a different co-curricular activity and be available for their club. Maybe, just maybe, they prefer their school cricket side to their club one?
Cheers

Sorry to bring this back up but your incorrect or at least in my case with other co curricular things bulldog.
In year 8 after coming from the primary campus at beverly, I didnt want to play school cricket so I tried out for squash, I wanted to play club on a saturday instead. I was quickly informed by the year level director and 8a coach that if I didnt play, I would be doing saturday detentions till I changed my mind.
That resulted me playing First XI from the start of year 9 until middle of term 1 in year 12 where I had a disagreement with the coach and was allowed to play club. I dont regret what happened in my later years of school cricket but looking back wish I had of stayed playing XI's. Im sure most kids may not like it at the time but probs have a similar opinion when looking back on there first careers.

Most people are aware when sending there children to a school that plays in the college comp that by doing so you agree to them playing 1st's in either footy or cricket. The exceptions being if ya play league or district A grade. Cheers