AFL Reserves Teams spruiked again by you-know-who

[Wedgie]

Good article by Ron, basically has the same ideas I do, always knew he was a smart man!

quick question Wedgie

have you ever been to watch an AFL affiliated club in the VFL vs a stand alone club game?

have you read the melbourne newspapers and seen how much coverage the vfl stand alone clubs get?

That's 2 questions mate.

The answer is yes to both of them.
VFL clubs can be split into 3 categories, AFL reserves sides, clubs affiliated with AFL clubs and stand alone clubs.
I've noticed the reserves sides get the least but it is pretty even.
I've read more about Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Nth Ballarat, etc than I do about Geelong or Collingwood. They get preferential tv coverage too, I've never seen Geelongs reserves on TV bu have seen a lot ofthe Boroughs, Williamstown, Casey, etc.

[whufc]

Good article by Ron, basically has the same ideas I do, always knew he was a smart man!

quick question Wedgie

have you ever been to watch an AFL affiliated club in the VFL vs a stand alone club game?

have you read the melbourne newspapers and seen how much coverage the vfl stand alone clubs get?

That's 2 questions mate.

The answer is yes to both of them.
VFL clubs can be split into 3 categories, AFL reserves sides, clubs affiliated with AFL clubs and stand alone clubs.
I've noticed the reserves sides get the least but it is pretty even.
I've read more about Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Nth Ballarat, etc than I do about Geelong or Collingwood. They get preferential tv coverage too, I've never seen Geelongs reserves on TV bu have seen a lot ofthe Boroughs, Williamstown, Casey, etc.

Have been to a couple of VFL games in recent years and one was Collingwood vs Port Melbourne. It was one of the worse football experiences i have ever been to. The atmosphere was absolute garbage you had one set of supporters who were passionate about their team winning ala SANFL and the AFL affiliated supporters who only cheered when Josh Fraser got near the ball.

It was a Collingwood home game so the scoreboard was very rarely updated but no one cared as Port Melbourne was always going to win and Collingwood people only cared about individual performances not the result.

If you pick up the Herald Sun today or the Age i bet you will find less than half a page on the stand alone VFL clubs.

Also would you like to see Matty Wright and Daniel Motlop playing against the Roosters.

[Wedgie]

I wouldn't have a problem seeing Wright and Motlop playing agains North, they are Crows and Power players, not North players.
I like how when you don't get the answers you like you just move onto new points over and over clutching at new straws.
I've made my opinion clear and backed it up with why I have, similar to Ron Fuller.
If you don't like it, tough.
Get rid if the bye I say, bring in the Crows!

PS I barleys the Eyre Peninusla for North too!

[Ronnie]

I have heard the same thing with the VFL from acouple of people in Melbourne, the AFL Reserves teams really only care about player development. The focus is completely different and the crowd support and passion is laughable. Mind you, the VFL format is a basket case, the powers that be have buggered around with it so much that it's very integrity has been shredded.
The SANFL is a proud and passionate stand alone product. It's what we recognise and value.
The AFL Reserves concept is poison, pure and simple. I personally find it disappointing that Ron Fuller, an SANFL coach, would give it support. Johnny Reid was always honest enough to state that the concept should not be adopted, there aren't enough players available for a start.
But as we know with the power and the politics of the AFL, the pressure is building and the Crows, as distinct from the Power, are leading the push.

[whufc]

I have heard the same thing with the VFL from acouple of people in Melbourne, the AFL Reserves teams really only care about player development. The focus is completely different and the crowd support and passion is laughable. Mind you, the VFL format is a basket case, the powers that be have buggered around with it so much that it's very integrity has been shredded.
The SANFL is a proud and passionate stand alone product. It's what we recognise and value.
The AFL Reserves concept is poison, pure and simple. I personally find it disappointing that Ron Fuller, an SANFL coach, would give it support. Johnny Reid was always honest enough to state that the concept should not be adopted, there aren't enough players available for a start.
But as we know with the power and the politics of the AFL, the pressure is building and the Crows, as distinct from the Power, are leading the push.

Like i clutch at straws watch Wedgie ignore this point but hey at least we might get an extra half a page in the Advertiser or an extra couple of minutes on 5AA each week.

[heater31]

PS I barleys the Eyre Peninusla for North too!

Bugger off, Sturt have had probably just as many league players from there as Port in the last few years. :wink:

[Wedgie]

PS I barleys the Eyre Peninusla for North too!

Bugger off, Sturt have had probably just as many league players from there as Port in the last few years. :wink:

Yeah but we got Barrie from there so we should be able to claim it as holy ground!

[heater31]

PS I barleys the Eyre Peninusla for North too!

Bugger off, Sturt have had probably just as many league players from there as Port in the last few years. :wink:

Yeah but we got Barrie from there so we should be able to claim it as holy ground!

You can have Whyalla.... its a shithole..... :wink:

[Mr Irate]

Poll has been moved, results not going to plan......

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/fuller-backs-crows-power-reserves/story-e6freckc-1226055140152

Looks like you can vote again.....

[ca]

Anyone know how many crows and port players including rookies are named in SANFL sides this weekend

[nickname]

An assistant coach at one of the Victorian AFL clubs recently said that having young AFL players playing in a (VFL) environment where winning is the most important thing is the worst scenario possible for their development. Makes for a great competition.

[tigerpie]

An assistant coach at one of the Victorian AFL clubs recently said that having young AFL players playing in a (VFL) environment where winning is the most important thing is the worst scenario possible for their development. Makes for a great competition.

that assistant coach must be not quite right in the melon.

I would have thought that the best way to develop young players would be exposing them to a winning culture as soon as possible.

Playing in high pressure finals games,with a decent atmosphere,IS the best way to learn about the pressure of afl footy.

[whufc]

Has anyone asked the players whether they would like to play against there SANFL affiliated clubs some which have grown up at their local club and played all the way through since they were 15 years of old.

I have a feeling a fair bunch of players would feel pretty uncomfortable about this. Especially after watching Ian Callinan in all his Central gear Saturday talking tactics with players at the quarter time huddles etc etc.

[sjt]

The decision should be based on what is best for the SANFL teams. Not what MIGHT be best for the Power and Crows. Wreck our comp for something that may be of no benefit to an AFL teams success, please.

[Wedgie]

The decision should be based on what is best for the SANFL teams. Not what MIGHT be best for the Power and Crows. Wreck our comp for something that may be of no benefit to an AFL teams success, please.

We can all agree on that!

[Macca19]

Fuller lost me with his zone talk. Im still struggling to work out how the Power has a development zone, and why Collingwood and Geelongs VFL teams supposedly dont count?

[Macca19]

It's more the decisions that have been made in the recent past by the people in charge and the natural cycle of the draft/salary cap that have the two SA AFL clubs struggling at the moment as opposed to lack of money to spend on football dept or not having a reserves side IMO.

Both the Crows and Port need to harden up as a whole club instead of constantly making excuses.

Theres no doubt the natural cycle of the draft etc. has played its part. Both Port and Brisbane cant win a game. 7 years ago they played off in a GF after both teams had extended success at the top of the ladder. Collingwood and Hawthorn have both recieved priority picks in recent times and both ended up winning premierships soon after. Its all swings and roundabouts.

however, you cant tell me that football spend doesnt have an impact in how you can develop. Some clubs have 3-4 full time doctors, multiple full time physios etc. Port only has part time doctors and physios. Some clubs have upwards of 6 full time scouts as well as dozens of part time scouts. Port has 1 full time scout and a handful of part time ones. Look at Essendon and their coaching spending spree in the off season. Hird on big money, Bomber Thompson as an assistant, McCartney as an assistant, Goodwin, Wallis. What do Port have? part time Laidley, Ryan Mcmillan, Jason Cripps and Matthew Bishop. Theres no doubt it has an effect.

[Barto]

Fuller lost me with his zone talk. Im still struggling to work out how the Power has a development zone, and why Collingwood and Geelongs VFL teams supposedly dont count?

Taking it off them might save One Port some money. The AFL clubs apparently need more money.

[sjt]

It's more the decisions that have been made in the recent past by the people in charge and the natural cycle of the draft/salary cap that have the two SA AFL clubs struggling at the moment as opposed to lack of money to spend on football dept or not having a reserves side IMO.

Both the Crows and Port need to harden up as a whole club instead of constantly making excuses.

however, you cant tell me that football spend doesnt have an impact in how you can develop. Some clubs have 3-4 full time doctors, multiple full time physios etc. Port only has part time doctors and physios. Some clubs have upwards of 6 full time scouts as well as dozens of part time scouts. Port has 1 full time scout and a handful of part time ones. Look at Essendon and their coaching spending spree in the off season. Hird on big money, Bomber Thompson as an assistant, McCartney as an assistant, Goodwin, Wallis. What do Port have? part time Laidley, Ryan Mcmillan, Jason Cripps and Matthew Bishop. Theres no doubt it has an effect.

Agreed it should have some effect. However, I think the difference isn't as significant as Rucci tries to make out. Some of the facts, that eventually went up on Adelaide Now I think don't do Rucci's agenda any favours.

"Stats are easily manipulated Michelangelo to push your agenda. For example from 2003-2007, Collingwood was second (by $200,000) to Sydney on football department spend, during this period they had 55 wins and 3 Top 8 finishes (NO premierships).Port were 7th on spend had 69 wins, 4 top 8 finishes and a premiership. Even at the other end St Kilda was 13th on football spend, had 11 more wins than Collingwood and also 3 top 8 finishes. Geelong were 8th in spend had seven more wins a premiership and overall better placings than Collingwood. Western Bulldogs second to bottom on spend during this period, yet have proved competitive over the past five years. Essendon were 5th on spend, more than the Power, Crows, Geelong yet had only 46 wins and two top 8 finishes.What about over the past 13 years 31% of premierships have been won by teams without reserves, those 3 teams making up only 19% of the total teams (I too can be selective with dates). I could go on and on with these stats. You've been very selective in your examples!! It's not necessarily how much you spend but how you spend it and how you draft, and injuries etc. CAP FOOTY DEPARTMENT SPEND AND LEAVE OUR LEAGUE ALONE!!!"

I could have given more data but I ran out of characters, I think one can get the gist.
Whoops I posted this twice, as it took so long to go up on Ad Now

[heater31]

Fuller lost me with his zone talk. Im still struggling to work out how the Power has a development zone, and why Collingwood and Geelongs VFL teams supposedly dont count?

Port Adelaide have an opportunity to manipulate the draft by getting the SANFL arm to do some serious scouting of their zone and hide them away until draft time. Scott Lycett (sp?) is a perfect example.

AFL footy is big business and for anyone to believe that they won't do such a thing is a fool