AFL Reserves Teams spruiked again by you-know-who

[sjt]

I just posted this on Adelaide Now (if it gets posted). Rucci is very manipulative (state the obvious).

"Stats are easily manipulated Michelangelo to push your agenda. For example from 2003-2007, Collingwood was second (by $200,000) to Sydney on football department spend, during this period they had 55 wins and 3 Top 8 finishes (NO premierships).Port were 7th on spend had 69 wins, 4 top 8 finishes and a premiership. Even at the other end St Kilda was 13th on football spend, had 11 more wins than Collingwood and also 3 top 8 finishes. Geelong were 8th in spend had seven more wins a premiership and overall better placings than Collingwood. Western Bulldogs second to bottom on spend during this period, yet have proved competitive over the past five years. Essendon were 5th on spend, more than the Power, Crows, Geelong yet had only 46 wins and two top 8 finishes.I could go on and on with these stats. You've been very selective in your examples!!
It's not necessarily how much you spend but how you spend it and how you draft, and injuries etc.
CAP FOOTY DEPARTMENT SPEND AND LEAVE OUR LEAGUE ALONE

[topsywaldron]

The proposal by the Eagles and the Dockers to field reserves teams in the state league has to be aprroved by a majority of WAFL clubs for it to progress. That vote may go a long way towards determining if the SANFL is going to come under similar pressures.

How is Port's vote at the SANFL commission now handled? Obviously if the Power want a reserves team the Magpie 'vote' will be in favour of it. Already it puts the 'yes' camp a vote in front which, basically, sucks. Another reason why it was a sad day when the Magpies died.

I'm going to leave aside the knee jerk and reflexive superstition of football clubs as I could write a ton on the stupidity of football departments that spend $15M on players to miss goals from straight in front. Basically their thinking would go along the lines of 'Collingwood have a reserves team. Collingwood won a flag. We need a reserves team too.' As little as five years ago the Eagles won a flag using the same player structure as the two AFL clubs here use, we don't hear too much about that.

As with a few other posters the day there are AFL teams in the SANFL is the moment I stop going.

[whufc]

Yeah the whole reserves side idea is a complete joke.

Brisbane/Kangaroos/St.Kilda have reserve sides, how this helping them this year?

The AFL is designed so no team stays at the top of comp for to long and all teams who finish bottom get advantages to bring them to the top. The circle of life for an AFL Club. The 2 South Australian teams are currently on the wrong end of the cycle for various reasons including, poor draft picks, poor trading or lack of, experience players retiring etc etc, none of those things can be fixed by a reserves team.

There is no beneift for the SANFL if this happens. Some have suggested more media coverage of the SANFL. Yes there will be more media coverage for the SANFL but 90% of it will be for 2 clubs and the other 9 clubs will get the little left hand corner.

I really hope the SANFL clubs grow some balls and knock this one dead if put forward to them.

[doggies4eva]

The proposal by the Eagles and the Dockers to field reserves teams in the state league has to be aprroved by a majority of WAFL clubs for it to progress. That vote may go a long way towards determining if the SANFL is going to come under similar pressures.

How is Port's vote at the SANFL commission now handled? Obviously if the Power want a reserves team the Magpie 'vote' will be in favour of it. Already it puts the 'yes' camp a vote in front which, basically, sucks. Another reason why it was a sad day when the Magpies died.

I'm going to leave aside the knee jerk and reflexive superstition of football clubs as I could write a ton on the stupidity of football departments that spend $15M on players to miss goals from straight in front. Basically their thinking would go along the lines of 'Collingwood have a reserves team. Collingwood won a flag. We need a reserves team too.' As little as five years ago the Eagles won a flag using the same player structure as the two AFL clubs here use, we don't hear too much about that.

As with a few other posters the day there are AFL teams in the SANFL is the moment I stop going.

I would have thought that now there is "one Port Adelaide" that the PAMs could not vote on this as they have a conflict of interests.

Clearly this proposal would benefit the 2 AFL teams to the detriment of the SANFL. The question is should the interests of the SANFL be protected or the 2 AFL teams that (in theory) provide the cash flow stream to assist the survival of SANFL clubs?

[topsywaldron]

I would have thought that now there is "one Port Adelaide" that the PAMs could not vote on this as they have a conflict of interests.

Any sensible Port person able to answer this?

[Aerie]

I would have thought that now there is "one Port Adelaide" that the PAMs could not vote on this as they have a conflict of interests.

Any sensible Port person able to answer this?

http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/1390/

"Neither club would have the right to appoint an SANFL League Director. Instead, a Magpies-appointed representative would attend League Directors’ meetings by invitation. The current Magpies CEO would participate in CEOs’ meetings as the Magpies Operations Manager."

[doggies4eva]

So 5 clubs would need to support this to get it through.

[Barto]

Didn't seem to be a problem in 1997, 1998 and 2004.

I love this stupid comment:

Adelaide coach Neil Craig has been far too diplomatic in the past month when asked about his chances of developing "the most exciting group" ever assembled at West Lakes when the SA football model deprives the Crows and Power of resources to compete with Collingwood.

The Crows facility is one of the best in the comp.

[areaman]

Didn't seem to be a problem in 1997, 1998 and 2004.

Or in 92, 94 and 2006 in WA.

[on the rails]

Port Magpie fans beware. If the AFL Clubs get reserves sides then Magpies are dead. PAFC might want them to wear the black and the white but that would be just "pretend". If it does happen then the rest of the SANFL should insist that a Power Ressies team wears the Power colours.

In any event I will be interested as to how both the Crows and Power will be able to field 22 each week - even if the AFL player list is expanded to some degree?

There have been "whispers" that they will be able to split the best U18's from the other clubs as "rookie top up"? Bad enough that the SANFL Clubs lose the best in that age group to the draft each year but then to have the AFL clubs here just taking them to fill their ressies is something I hope I don't see.

The SANFL clubs have been screwed enough by AFL intrusion and bullying to our weak SANFL Management that we may as well just be an U18 development / feeder comp now and not go through the grief of a painful slow death to our comp as we now know it?

[Dirko]

There have been "whispers" that they will be able to split the best U18's from the other clubs as "rookie top up"? Bad enough that the SANFL Clubs lose the best in that age group to the draft each year but then to have the AFL clubs here just taking them to fill their ressies is something I hope I don't see.

If that happened most SANFL clubs would just about withdraw all funding for junior footy, if they weren't to see the fruits of their work in their own club colours....

[Barto]

There have been "whispers" that they will be able to split the best U18's from the other clubs as "rookie top up"? Bad enough that the SANFL Clubs lose the best in that age group to the draft each year but then to have the AFL clubs here just taking them to fill their ressies is something I hope I don't see.

If that happened most SANFL clubs would just about withdraw all funding for junior footy, if they weren't to see the fruits of their work in their own club colours....

That's a given if the player is talented they're off to the AFL pretty much straight away anyway. If the Crows and Power want to develop players to go into the draft, then good on 'em.

[Dirko]

That's a given if the player is talented they're off to the AFL pretty much straight away anyway. If the Crows and Power want to develop players to go into the draft, then good on 'em.

SANFL clubs develop juniors for their own needs too not just for the faint hope of one of them getting drafted.

If the Crows & Power could develop players it'd cost them too much money & resource. And why would they when SANFL clubs / TAC / WAFL etc do it for them....

[jockey]

I just wanna see the Power Reserves play Port Magpies...

One team....Bring it on....

I thought playing with yourself in public was taboo

[whufc]

Interesting point raised by Tigerpie in the AFL forum.

IF the Power and Crows had reserves sides in the SANFL would the SANFL then be forced (or on their own wishes) change to follow the AFL rules and interpretations.

[sjt]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6055140152

Fuller s***. Another Rucci "push".

[LBT]

Fuller is endorsing the SANFL be re-designed with:

TEN league clubs with the Crows forming a team to act as their reserves and the Port Adelaide Magpies becoming the Power's reserves unit.

EIGHT clubs in the reserves, under-18s and under-16s where there would be no representation with the Crows and Power.

SA's country districts be re-allocated to eight clubs, with Port losing its West Coast zone.

"Why (is it that) no one has questioned why only one AFL club (the Power) in the established football states of Victoria, WA and SA has its own development zone," added Fuller.

In the "One Club" format that has the AFL-based Power and SANFL-placed Magpies re-united at Alberton, the club is seen to have a direct link to a development zone on the West Coast

Bugger off Ron.

[heater31]

Ron is only writing that because he is campaigning for a fairer zone allocation for South Adelaide.....


He does have a point though the 'One' Port Adelaide does complicate the SANFL zones....

[Wedgie]

Good article by Ron, basically has the same ideas I do, always knew he was a smart man!

[whufc]

Good article by Ron, basically has the same ideas I do, always knew he was a smart man!

quick question Wedgie

have you ever been to watch an AFL affiliated club in the VFL vs a stand alone club game?

have you read the melbourne newspapers and seen how much coverage the vfl stand alone clubs get?