Grade Cricket

[Tony Clifton]

Yipes!

Southerns copping a hammering!

[thehawk]

Yipes!

Southerns copping a hammering!

ive spoken to a few of the southern lads out and about and yes justin ifould is off to brighton to be an assistant coach and playing role. also joel garrett is off to glenelg.

simon roberts and josh barrett arnt going anywhere. i know roberts gets a lot of calls each year from a number of clubs, barrett would be the same with a pretty good year with bat and gloves. both pretty loyal

[bulldogproud2]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

On the contrary, if clubs want to demand players to play for their club, they should play on Sundays!!
Some things are slightly more important than cricket. Additionally, the majority of college kids would rather play for their college than for a district club. This is definitely the case where I teach.
Cheers

[Bag The Points]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

On the contrary, if clubs want to demand players to play for their club, they should play on Sundays!!
Some things are slightly more important than cricket. Additionally, the majority of college kids would rather play for their college than for a district club. This is definitely the case where I teach.
Cheers

Then if that's the case, let them.
My gripe is kids who want to play for their club not being permitted to do so by their school, all because that school wants a good cricket side.
As you said, there are things slightly more imortant than cricket, and freedom of where you play your sport is surely one of them.
Schools are there to EDUCATE not to win sporting trophies.

[Bulls forever]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

On the contrary, if clubs want to demand players to play for their club, they should play on Sundays!!
Some things are slightly more important than cricket. Additionally, the majority of college kids would rather play for their college than for a district club. This is definitely the case where I teach.
Cheers

Then if that's the case, let them.
My gripe is kids who want to play for their club not being permitted to do so by their school, all because that school wants a good cricket side.
As you said, there are things slightly more imortant than cricket, and freedom of where you play your sport is surely one of them.
Schools are there to EDUCATE not to win sporting trophies.

BTP, couldn't resist this one, you led with the chin. Schools are just a little bit more than there to educate. Sure that is a good word to use, but include the whole concept of learning, schoolwork, school ethos, social, artistic, cricket forms just a very very small percentage of the entire structure of the responsibility of a school. People do not pay, lets say 15K to go to PAC, for their grade club or SACA to say you will play for us. The growth of the child is much more important that them being unavailable to play for their grade club for a year or two. I would argue that successful completion of YEAR 12 is a little bit more important than a grade club wanting their player to play for them. So do you agree that we could sacrifice a childs entire life so your grade club can have a player play for them.

I would argue that is why these schools that are multi million dollar businesses have a far greater idea on what is required to develop a child than you or me and our narrow focus on our grade club.

Do we hear the SANFL clubs continually whinging about their players being unable to play for them - no, they accept the much bigger picture and know that they will have a more rounded person when their college career is complete. So I say to SACA and all the grade clubs, get over it, the schools will not listen to you, work with them and help with the development of the child, you will win in the long run.

[Bulls forever]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

On the contrary, if clubs want to demand players to play for their club, they should play on Sundays!!
Some things are slightly more important than cricket. Additionally, the majority of college kids would rather play for their college than for a district club. This is definitely the case where I teach.
Cheers

[Bulls forever]

Smac you know all, is this super league going to go ahead?

Haven't heard a thing about it other than what I have just read here. As a concept it sounds good, but lots of detail needs to be clear I would hope before progression to reality.

SMAC, I know you know more, but obviously sworn to secrecy, so I respect that. Will be interesting though to see what comes from the hallowed halls and how that is accepted by the grade clubs.

[smac]

Nope, I really have heard nothing about it!

[Silky Johnson]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

On the contrary, if clubs want to demand players to play for their club, they should play on Sundays!!
Some things are slightly more important than cricket. Additionally, the majority of college kids would rather play for their college than for a district club. This is definitely the case where I teach.
Cheers

Then if that's the case, let them.
My gripe is kids who want to play for their club not being permitted to do so by their school, all because that school wants a good cricket side.
As you said, there are things slightly more imortant than cricket, and freedom of where you play your sport is surely one of them.
Schools are there to EDUCATE not to win sporting trophies.

BTP, couldn't resist this one, you led with the chin. Schools are just a little bit more than there to educate. Sure that is a good word to use, but include the whole concept of learning, schoolwork, school ethos, social, artistic, cricket forms just a very very small percentage of the entire structure of the responsibility of a school. People do not pay, lets say 15K to go to PAC, for their grade club or SACA to say you will play for us. The growth of the child is much more important that them being unavailable to play for their grade club for a year or two. I would argue that successful completion of YEAR 12 is a little bit more important than a grade club wanting their player to play for them. So do you agree that we could sacrifice a childs entire life so your grade club can have a player play for them.

I would argue that is why these schools that are multi million dollar businesses have a far greater idea on what is required to develop a child than you or me and our narrow focus on our grade club.

Do we hear the SANFL clubs continually whinging about their players being unable to play for them - no, they accept the much bigger picture and know that they will have a more rounded person when their college career is complete. So I say to SACA and all the grade clubs, get over it, the schools will not listen to you, work with them and help with the development of the child, you will win in the long run.

I have to agree with Bag the Points to a large extent on this one.

Bulldog – the majority of cricket-playing college kids that I knew wanted to play for their clubs rather than their schools. I have friends that kept their cricket career secret from their school just so they could play for their club team rather than being forced to play for their school. I also knew of some whose schools found out & forced them to play First XI & they were devastated. These lads were of the opinion that they were learning more from playing with & against men rather than school kids. And they all turned out better players for it. I know you are speaking from a school’s point of view & also know how close you are to the mighty Eagles so I appreciate that you have considered both sides.

Bulls Forever - You say that successful completion of year 12 is more important than a grade club wanting their player to play for them - yep I couldn't agree more with that. But what has successfully completing year 12 got to do with where a kid plays cricket? You are not paying PAC $15k a year for your lad to play cricket. You are paying for an education as you say in all facets of that word, but what a kid does with his leisure time has to be up to him. And while a lot of your points are interesting I think you really went off the rails by suggesting that we “could sacrifice a child’s entire life” by having him play grade cricket! Interested to know how you’ve drawn that bow. By being that extreme you’re suggesting that cricket is the be-all and end-all of a child’s entire education, and for that matter that a $15k education is the be-all and end-all of a child’s entire life! Neither is remotely close to being true.

Think about it this way - would you rather your lad came home from school saying “I successfully completed Year 12” or “I made the first XI”?? Or better still would you rather him say “I want to play for the First XI” or “I got picked to play my first A Grade game for West Torrens/TTG/[insert club here] but I have to play for the first XI”?? I know which answers I’d prefer.

When it comes down to it, I don’t think neither the club nor the school has the right to demand the kid play for them. Regardless of the school and regardless of the club – surely it is up to the kid!

[Stumps]

school cricket v club is a non issue. It is only an issue to the saca who don't realise young players can get heaps of benefit playing with their best mates and dominating a competition. the 15 or so guys I played school cricket with that have continued there cricket at grade leveL remember these days as the most enjoyable wev had. The new breed is corrupted into thinking they need to be playing a grade ccricket by 17. Fact is the only way playing a grade by 17 will help your redbacks chances is if your playIng it in another state. What a joke

[Bag The Points]

Regardless of the school and regardless of the club – surely it is up to the kid![/quote]

[bulldogproud2]

school cricket v club is a non issue. It is only an issue to the saca who don't realise young players can get heaps of benefit playing with their best mates and dominating a competition. the 15 or so guys I played school cricket with that have continued there cricket at grade leveL remember these days as the most enjoyable wev had. The new breed is corrupted into thinking they need to be playing a grade ccricket by 17. Fact is the only way playing a grade by 17 will help your redbacks chances is if your playIng it in another state. What a joke

I agree totally with Stumps. Silky, as you say, yes, I have considered it from both a College and club perspective, having a love of both. In relation to playing A Grade, there is not one school or College to my knowledge which will ask the student to put their College ahead of A Grade. Rather, schools and colleges have a policy where if they are selected in A Grade, they play for the club and not the College. We lost one player from my College to that on a regular basis two seasons ago. Thus, the choice is between playing College cricket or Club Cricket at B Grade or below. Having spoken to students and also seen a number transfer from their former District Club to another because of the pressure their former club put on them to make themselves unavailable for their College, I think I can quite rightly say that it is definitely my experience that students prefer to play for their 1st XI rather than B - D Grade District. They are with their friends, those they share their weeks with and are part of a culture which many love.
As for the suggestion put forward earlier that school cricket be played during school teaching hours, yikesssssssssss!!!!!! I truly wonder how far the person who made that suggestion took their education! There is noooooooooooo way that students in senior years can afford to sacrifice 20% of their educational time to cricket!

[Bag The Points]

completely missed the point

[bulldogproud2]

completely missed the point

So you are still of the opinion that school cricket should be played on a weekday, denying students 20% of their educational time in Terms One and Four?????????
As stated earlier by others, this would be pretty much denying them an opportunity of completing their education successfully, resulting in them not getting into careers they may have hoped to.

[bulldogproud2]

Regardless of the school and regardless of the club – surely it is up to the kid!

You will find that in many Colleges, it is indeed 'up to the kid'. These colleges do impose a minimum co-curricular involvement which all students must comply with, however they do not specify what activities you MUST be involved in. If a student wished to play Grade cricket rather than for the College, then they may participate in other co-curricular activities than cricket. For example, a student could play squash or chess on a Friday night, participate in debating on a weeknight, be involved in liturgical ensembles etc. The reason why they play cricket for the school is largely BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR CHOICE, that is what they want to do. Who can blame them? They get to play with the guys they spend their whole week with, those whom they are closest to and in a community they may have been a part of for 13 years by that stage.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE club cricket, particularly West Torrens. I, myself, decided to do the stats for my school's football team so that I could be involved as a scorer at West Torrens. As with the students, us teachers have co-curricular requirements as well. To be involved in club cricket, I arranged it so that my co-curricular was not cricket - students can do the same. It means that I don't get to many Central games at all nowadays but sometimes you make sacrifices for the things you love - I love my students, my school and the mighty West Torrens Cricket Club. If students love their Club more than their school team, they could do a similar action - do a different co-curricular activity and be available for their club. Maybe, just maybe, they prefer their school cricket side to their club one?
Cheers

[Bag The Points]

completely missed the point

So you are still of the opinion that school cricket should be played on a weekday, denying students 20% of their educational time in Terms One and Four?????????
As stated earlier by others, this would be pretty much denying them an opportunity of completing their education successfully, resulting in them not getting into careers they may have hoped to.

As I said, completely missed the point

[bulldogproud2]

completely missed the point

So you are still of the opinion that school cricket should be played on a weekday, denying students 20% of their educational time in Terms One and Four?????????
As stated earlier by others, this would be pretty much denying them an opportunity of completing their education successfully, resulting in them not getting into careers they may have hoped to.

As I said, completely missed the point

Which was??

[bulldogproud2]

I've always said, if schools want to demand players play for their school, they should play the matches in school hours.

This was the point you made. How did we completely miss this point?
Cheers

P.S. A Grade cricket club tried an interesting move re College players a couple of seasons ago. They told the players that if they played College cricket in Term Four rather than club cricket then they would be less likely to play for the club during their holidays. Result: After losing a number of players to a neighbouring club, the club soon changed their policy.

[FOOTY TALK]

G.Manou to captain East Torrens next season!!!!!

[heater31]

G.Manou to captain East Torrens next season!!!!!

Calling Smac/the star to thread!!!


Last I heard was Manou was exploring options in extending his first class career further......