Jumps Racing

[overloaded]

get a life jumps protestors.... Geez go save the whales in Japan.

[bayman]

i'm very much looking forward to watching the races from uttoxeter & worcester beaming through on sky racing tonight

[fish]

also these anti jumps people if they did any research into greyhound racing will start up a campaign to ban that.

Are there animal welfare issues with greyhounds too?

[heater31]

also these anti jumps people if they did any research into greyhound racing will start up a campaign to ban that.

Are there animal welfare issues with greyhounds too?

http://gapsa.org.au/index.htm

I'm sure if that if it wasn't for organisations such as these, almost every dog would slip off quietly into the back paddock and never return.......

[Dutchy]

Why dont the anti jumps people turn up as equestrian events?

Why - is there an animal-welfare problem with Equestrian events?

Jumping over logs, water and higher obstacles than racing, what do you think?

[whufc]

Why dont the anti jumps people turn up as equestrian events?

Why - is there an animal-welfare problem with Equestrian events?

Jumping over logs, water and higher obstacles than racing, what do you think?

I guess though there not doing it at such a great speed and the horses can be stopped before the jump if the jockey feels the horse is struggling, which does happen alot in equestrian.

Also in equestrian they are doing it by themselves and dont have anywhere up to 8 horses surrounding them. Place race tracks are generally made for flat races and at times can be very heavy, where as equestrian tracks are designed for jumping and you will find they jump from very low cut grass.

[bayman]

i see at the bendigo trials in the morning they are trying out whether jumping around the turns of the track will be better than in the straights of the track..........surely this is only to show the ''doo gooders & no hopers'' they're trying something but surely jumping on turns would have a horse off balance

[CK]

i see at the bendigo trials in the morning they are trying out whether jumping around the turns of the track will be better than in the straights of the track..........surely this is only to show the ''doo gooders & no hopers'' they're trying something but surely jumping on turns would have a horse off balance

Not so sure about that, Bayman. When watching hurdle and steeples, I notice many horses seem to almost approach it at a 25 degree (or so) angle in the second before takeoff. I wonder if this may have something to do with the idea.

[Dutchy]

Ever seen the steeple races in France? 3yo fillies going over steeples! and they have about 10 races on a card

[rooburger]

One thing about equestrian they are not on always or Tv so cant be followed and held up as an example.
Oh and how do you think they make a horse step side ways {which is not natural movement} in the dressage.
i know its not by talking to them!!!

a lot of stuff goes on behind closed doors.

Why dont the anti jumps people turn up as equestrian events?

Why - is there an animal-welfare problem with Equestrian events?

Jumping over logs, water and higher obstacles than racing, what do you think?

[bayman]

Place race tracks are generally made for flat races and at times can be very heavy, where as equestrian tracks are designed for jumping and you will find they jump from very low cut grass.

whufc, now let me get this right as i don't want to take your point the wrong way, so would you like racetracks firm rather than heavy ?




if this is correct, so you don't want horses jumping but are happy to have them running on firm tracks & possibly jarring their legs & getting shin sore

[whufc]

Place race tracks are generally made for flat races and at times can be very heavy, where as equestrian tracks are designed for jumping and you will find they jump from very low cut grass.

whufc, now let me get this right as i don't want to take your point the wrong way, so would you like racetracks firm rather than heavy ?




if this is correct, so you don't want horses jumping but are happy to have them running on firm tracks & possibly jarring their legs & getting shin sore

I dont have a stance either way on this.

BUT

i have been to a fair few equestrian events as my mum use to ride, and won noticeable difference is the length and heaviness of the track. I have always presumed the shorter grass at Equestrian events is to make it easier for the horses to jump out of the ground.

Just an observation, im not saying they should do this for race tracks.

I guess my point is more that Equestrian tracks are specially designed for the sport of horse jumping where as most race tracks are designed for the sport of racing.

[gadj1976]

I'm assuming when you refer to Equestrian you mean "showjumping"?

In equestrian there are little if any fatalities, given the nature of the event itself.

Showjumping is another sport altogether, where horses are pushed over large obstacles and timed. Best time + penalties (for knocked down obstacles) wins.

Some obstacles have been made so difficult that the event has been abandoned due to the nature of injuries to the horses.

You'll note that olympic events and even those on ESPN from time to time are on dirt tracks.

I wonder if the activists know about this event in Italy?

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100126/jumping_through_fire_00.jpg&imgrefurl=http://izismile.com/tags/Italy/&usg=__6kEboq1YmwvM9xTjgnf4b5SCsk8=&h=430&w=640&sz=48&hl=en&start=74&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=4s4PTN92tI-HeM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=137&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshow%2Bjumping%2Bfatalities%26start%3D60%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26ndsp%3D20%26biw%3D1259%26bih%3D590%26tbm%3Disch&ei=6nPITcufIouougPd-f3_BA

[Dutchy]

Also interesting to note that a lot of the UK/Euro jumps races are over 4km+ much longer than ours, which means the horses go slower, Ive watched them a bit lately at night and the falls dont seem to be as hard or as harsh as here, I think that is cause the horses are going slower.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Dutchy, the protesters are already complaining about the length of our jumps races and you wanna make them further!!!!!
good idea to try though

[hottie]

Another horse put down today,seen on nine news at Mount Gambier.

[fish]

Another horse put down today,seen on nine news at Mount Gambier.

Fasilenko - the 7th jumps racing death so far this year in Vic and SA.

[Dutchy]

but again had nothing to do with a jump, it fell on the flat

[fish]

Horses are far more likely to die in jumps races than flat races - that is the problem.

[Dutchy]

Horses are far more likely to die in jumps races than flat races - that is the problem.

Agree, when they fall because of the fences, but in this case and one other they fell on the flat, not while jumping - could happen to any horse in a paddock