Centrals Juniors

[bickle]

why does the junior sides out at centrals lose or get flogged yet the senior side is so competative & successful?

[Mad Mat]

why does the junior sides out at centrals lose or get flogged yet the senior side is so competative & successful?

I often ask the same thing myself? I would however, swap the success of my clubs junior sides for success with the senior team.

[CENTURION]

Because We train them so They don't peak until We say so.

[stampy]

yeah why is that? is it because they arent interested in developing their juniors and concerntrate solely on the ultimate prize? not having a go at cdfc in any way btw

[CENTURION]

dunno, ask Roy, he might have a bit of an idea.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

Because Tasmanians dont play in Central's junior sides.

[whufc]

One partial reason is that every CDFC football side plays with the exact same system/tactics.

While this has proved to be gold for the league side it may not always be to the best benefit of the underage sides as they may not have the players to play the same style of game.

The benefit is though that when players are coming through the grades at Centrals they can slip in a higher grade and automatically play a role without hurting the side.

I dont know what Kris Grant means by this but he has been quoted numerous times as saying "CDFC produces footballers to play league for the CDFC, not to play AFL"

I also know the club holds off with younger players doing weights at the under 16 and under 18 stages. Preffering to wait until they start training with the reserves squad before getting onto serious weight programs.

I dont know if they are reasons but they are general observations.

[sjt]

I think also, many of the "juniors" play reserves. The reserves went okay last year. They seem to provide plenty of players that come through to the league team. Our local content in the league is consistenly in the the top three clubs in the SANFL.
Perhaps also refer to the SANFL benchmark document (though this has all been covered before). From a previous post:

"Interestingly in 2009 the total no.of Teams-by SANFL Club
(Metro, Country, Junior & Youth Club and School Teams Combined). i.e the talent pool of players to choose from, Sturt had the most teams over 250, followed by Glenelg, North, Norwood, Eagles, Port, West then South second least (approx 175, at least 1,650 less players than Sturt) and Central least at 150 teams. This is quite a difference of available talent to choose from. Also, before anyone asks, Central are attempting to do something about it via the Robert Zerella U'15 Academy and with a development team visiting over 20,000 school children each year."

What I believe this demonstrates, is as an example with over 2,000 players less to choose from than Sturt (most teams), they're probably not doing to badly. The clubs main objective is to win senior premierships.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

[Grahaml]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

[whufc]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

very very good point, rarely will you see to many players in the CDFC reserves over the age of 21-22 and if so they are generally league players coming back from injury.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

I see you point. My point was more about you should never compare junior sides performances with league performances.

On your statement re Central producing the best around the comp. I agree the best players currently in the SANFL, but i reckon its just plain luck (or bad luck) that most of your best get overlooked in AFL drafts.

I dont believe that Central do it on purpose to produce players not quite up to AFL standard but enought to be SANFL stars. Dont think thats possible

[whufc]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

I see you point. My point was more about you should never compare junior sides performances with league performances.

On your statement re Central producing the best around the comp. I agree the best players currently in the SANFL, but i reckon its just plain luck (or bad luck) that most of your best get overlooked in AFL drafts.
I dont believe that Central do it on purpose to produce players not quite up to AFL standard but enought to be SANFL stars. Dont think thats possible

I think that may change the next couple of years, especially with Ian Callinan going to Crows and them stating his fitness levels were extrmely high from day 1 there, they were very surprised at how fit he was. At Centrals Wingnut is not even in their elite running group so this will show to a few AFL scouts that Central players will come over with a good base to start from.

[Grahaml]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

I see you point. My point was more about you should never compare junior sides performances with league performances.

On your statement re Central producing the best around the comp. I agree the best players currently in the SANFL, but i reckon its just plain luck (or bad luck) that most of your best get overlooked in AFL drafts.

I dont believe that Central do it on purpose to produce players not quite up to AFL standard but enought to be SANFL stars. Dont think thats possible

The good players will go through regardless of where they come from. Jack Trengove would be at an AFL club had he come through any SANFL junior program.

What I mean is the system we have in place is producing players who are excellent SANFL players. They might not have had the talent to go to the AFL but they've become very handy players for the dogs. Whether those players would have done so well at other clubs, I'm not so sure. In fact I'm very sure some of the guys had they come through the system at some certain unnamed clubs would be kicking around in the ammos.

[daysofourlives]

IMO u must promote juniors when they are ready and centrals do this better than anyone else from what i can tell. Keeping a gun/promising player in the underage system does nothing for their development, infact it has a detremental effect. By promoting them they are not in the couple best players in the team and therefore have to strive to reach the next level keeping them on their toes and making sure they dont get ahead of themselves

[CENTURION]

Success have didly sqaut to do with how junior sides go.

Consider the career span of a league player being 10 years, and say a league squad has 40 players. If 15 in your squad are imports (didnt come thru your juniors) that leaves 25. So over a 10 year period 25 players came thru your juniors. Thats just 2.5 per year. So in any given U18 team you may get 3 or 4 players that will go on to play league. The ability of just 3 or 4 players is not enough to determine whether you win or lose.

How many 10 year players are there around the league? I think you'll find an average span for a player to play SANFL is more like 5 years.

The biggest reason is Centrals don't have too many senior players playing reserves. They have a few for depth of course, but the rest are mainly project players who might play league in the future. That means a fair proportion of the reserves are under 18s, so the under 18s are comprised of the weaker under 18s and younger players. Other clubs have different philosophies regarding how they run their juniors, and fair enough. But I'd go out on a limb and say the players Central produce themselves are overall the best around the comp.

I see you point. My point was more about you should never compare junior sides performances with league performances.

On your statement re Central producing the best around the comp. I agree the best players currently in the SANFL, but i reckon its just plain luck (or bad luck) that most of your best get overlooked in AFL drafts.
I dont believe that Central do it on purpose to produce players not quite up to AFL standard but enought to be SANFL stars. Dont think thats possible

I think that may change the next couple of years, especially with Ian Callinan going to Crows and them stating his fitness levels were extrmely high from day 1 there, they were very surprised at how fit he was. At Centrals Wingnut is not even in their elite running group so this will show to a few AFL scouts that Central players will come over with a good base to start from.

SSSHHH!!

[Dog_ger]

why does the junior sides out at centrals lose or get flogged yet the senior side is so competative & successful?

We pay the umps well.

And if it's close in the last 1/4 and when we get in front,

We pay the 4.45pm train driver to blow his his train whistle.

Game Over with all Centrals supporters laughing...

[andyw]

why does the junior sides out at centrals lose or get flogged yet the senior side is so competative & successful?

We pay the umps well.

And if it's close in the last 1/4 and when we get in front,

We pay the 4.45pm train driver to blow his his train whistle.

Game Over with all Centrals supporters laughing...

I was wondering how long this topic could stay serious for!! Good one Dog-ger

[sjt]

I thought this was interesting from Adelaide Now:

re Centrals depth so far this year:

"blooding a whopping 10 players with less than 20 games. So much for too old, too slow".

[has been]

Interesting to compare sturts under 17 / 18 program of the last 4 years to centrals and outside of Trengrove (who was a man boy) I don't think they have too many that have played league. Jack Stevens and Fraser Evans have finally been given a shot. Wingard was always going to play at some stage before being drafted. I know they had a couple go to GWS as 17's but all mentioned are college boys. Sam day was more a college boy as well and played spasmodically at sturt. The rest of that group have either left for whatever reasons and the rest are playing in the magoos. I know our local club has absolutely no contact from them and we are in their zone with 5 junior sides. Interesting we get more calls from west and norwood who I know from experience run first rate programmes like the eagles do. They would have to be the benchmark.