Reasons to Vote "NO"

[Hondo]

which is why many of us are being overly cautious with it all, asking lots of questions, and trying to see through all the waffle and spin in the SACA booklet (of which there is plenty ) so that we can make an informed decision on our vote.

I can't argue with you on that approach

It's the pre-set NO voters who made their minds up 2 years ago I have the issues with

[AFLflyer]

just read the booklet.
so, you actually get CHEAPER memberships if it goes ahead + a choice of the best seats in the southern or your normal western stand seats.
what are you crazy!!!

and we alo already get a choice of sitting in teh western stand or teh bradman stand so that isnt an incentive

comparing the bradman stand to the new proposed state of the art stand, what are you serious?

[AFLflyer]

just read the booklet.
so, you actually get CHEAPER memberships if it goes ahead + a choice of the best seats in the southern or your normal western stand seats.
what are you crazy!!!

not everything is about money.

HEAR HEAR!

thats its,

in my case i dont care about a seat as i generally float around between General Admission and the members.

slightly cheaper but lose all power! no thanks.

it's all about power for you isn't it. the self importance of it all

[whufc]

Well i do pay my money so i look after numero uno first!!

Does the government have my best interest as number one in their heart.

[AFLflyer]

Well i do pay my money so i look after numero uno first!!

Does the government have my best interest as number one in their heart.

mate, if they did that for 1.4 million people, we wouldnt get too far as a state!

[Dutchy]

This vote is purely about whether the project gets done the easy way or the hard way IMO. Either way it will be done I'm afraid.

Tell me how that will happen.

Compulsory acquisition of the AO is the most common method I have heard. There is precedent for this sort of action to get infrastructure projects off the ground.

The Govt is the law-maker ultimately so really they can do what they want to get it done. I am convinced such a major CBD development will not be held up by 20,000 x 25.1% of people (5,020) voting against something their own organisation wants to happen. Without trying to belittle your membership, it's really just an annual ticket to events at the AO and discounted drinks at the bar or whatever. I don't think anyone intended it be a right to hold up major infrastructure projects that benefit everyone.

lets get this quite clear, are we talking about the same government that couldnt get a permanent and much smaller grandstand in place at Victoria Park?

And the new treasurer who said it would be easier if they voted NO?

Laughable...

PS, you will have to tell me how to get these discounted drinks, 32 years Ive been a member and I havent found them

[redandblack]

They couldn't get a grandstand there because of the same attitude you have in this case.

[Dutchy]

They couldn't get a grandstand there because of the same attitude you have in this case.

But they managed to find another, more expensive option, who to say it wont happen in this case?

[Dutchy]

The booklet clearly states there is no agreement on the Shield Final and it would be negotiated at the time, thats not a guarantee...

So it's whether you are prepared to keep the faith or not

Remember too that CA are talking about possibly reducing the Shield season by 2 rounds and there was even speculation about cancelling the Shield final altogether

So the final could be scheduled before 15 March in future or not at all so to vote NO on this basis seems to me like you are looking for an excuse to vote no.

Good faith means very little years down the track, I think it is quite reasonable that they could have agreed to guarantee the Shield Final if we earn it. Footy could have conceeded this one and won quite a few more votes. They have, for whatever reason not done this.

[redandblack]

The Shield Final????

I thought the Redbacks played at Adelaide Oval

[Dutchy]

The Shield Final????

I thought the Redbacks played at Adelaide Oval

Huh?

[redandblack]

Dutchy, I'm suggesting that the words 'Redbacks' and "Shield Final' don't belong in the same sentence

[Ecky]

Another issue I have is whether it is fair that 5000 SANFL members will be able to purchase these ultimate AO memberships and gain admittance to the members area during cricket season
1) ahead of any people on the SACA members waiting list and
2) without paying the SACA joining fee (currently $299)

Is this fair?

Also, if someone who has both a SACA membership and an SANFL membership purchases an ultimate AO membership, will they count as one of the 5000 SACA ultimate members or one of the 5000 SANFL ultimate members?

[redandblack]

Shouldn't you know or find out these things before deciding on your vote, ecky?

It seems as if you and the other 'no' voters have made up your minds and swing from one question to another as you find the facts don't suit your original argument.

[whufc]

Shouldn't you know or find out these things before deciding on your vote, ecky?

It seems as if you and the other 'no' voters have made up your minds and swing from one question to another as you find the facts don't suit your original argument.

Should we be finding these things out OR should the SACA be giving us this information to make an informed vote.

[redandblack]

Well they do, if you took the time to look.

When they do, you lot whinge about the money they've spent to produce it

[MAY-Z]

Shouldn't you know or find out these things before deciding on your vote, ecky?

It seems as if you and the other 'no' voters have made up your minds and swing from one question to another as you find the facts don't suit your original argument.

Should we be finding these things out OR should the SACA be giving us this information to make an informed vote.

i have been trying to find out answers to my questions but i havent got any. as yet

i dont think any no voters have swung its just teh more we think about it teh more questions that get raised

[MAY-Z]

Well they do, if you took the time to look.

When they do, you lot whinge about the money they've spent to produce it

the answers to many meaningful questions arent in the brochure

[Ecky]

Well they do, if you took the time to look.

When they do, you lot whinge about the money they've spent to produce it

Please get your facts straight before you post this garbage R&B.
Yes, Pipers original post did contain some inaccuracies because he hadn't read his information properly yet, I'm not excusing that, but I haven't asked any questions that there are answers for in anything we have received from the SACA.

The information booklet was full of glossy pictures and very light on detail, that's not my fault!

[Ecky]

Shouldn't you know or find out these things before deciding on your vote, ecky?

It seems as if you and the other 'no' voters have made up your minds and swing from one question to another as you find the facts don't suit your original argument.

I haven't found any facts that have refuted any arguments I have put forward. Yes, plenty of people have disagreed with things, as you would expect with such an issue, but it is a very subjective topic and not one where arguments can easily be proven or disproven.

So why can't you respect our right to vote in whichever way we choose for whatever reasons we might have?