Reasons to Vote "NO"

[redandblack]

I haven't said they're insolvent, mate. They can pay their debts, as the auditors agree, but they rely on profits to do this, not their assets. their assets consist mainly of leasehold improvements, which are not short-term liquid assets.

While you're all having a go at the government, perhaps you could also acknowledge that it's the State Government which is propping you up to the tune of a $30 million guarantee. That makes me think you have some obligation to the wider community, not just your narrow self-interest.

I'm with smac on this one. You've made up your mind, despite being consistently wrong on factual matters, so there's no point in debating it further.

[Dutchy]

Ive now had a read of the booklet sent to members, still not a lot of answers.

My main issues -

> $18m freed up cricket development - throughout the document it says "up to $18m" "approximately $18m" "some $18m", which one is it????
> Shield Final - still no guarantee it would be held at Adel Oval, we would have to negotiate with SANFL/AFL, I cant see that going well in early March leading into a footy season. This is a potential deal breaker IMO, why couldnt they agree that if SA qualified they could extend crickets rights to the oval for the 5 days required? This alone is likely to get many members offside.
> Major Events - It talks about AO allowing events such as Soccer WC, Rugby WC, Comm Games but we all know these events require full seated stadia which AO isnt, unless they get rid of the hill, which they say in the document will stay - Am I the only one who can see the issue here???! Sure it might not be an issue this decade but 20/30 years time?

[MAY-Z]

I haven't said they're insolvent, mate. They can pay their debts, as the auditors agree, but they rely on profits to do this, not their assets. their assets consist mainly of leasehold improvements, which are not short-term liquid assets.

While you're all having a go at the government, perhaps you could also acknowledge that it's the State Government which is propping you up to the tune of a $30 million guarantee. That makes me think you have some obligation to the wider community, not just your narrow self-interest.

I'm with smac on this one. You've made up your mind, despite being consistently wrong on factual matters, so there's no point in debating it further.

of course they need future revenue to service teh debt? everyone who has a loan does otehrwise they wouldnt take out a loan in the first place if tehy had teh cash sitting there

you are teh one that is factually incorrect here by suggesting a yes vote is needed financially

[MAY-Z]

Ive now had a read of the booklet sent to members, still not a lot of answers.

My main issues -

> $18m freed up cricket development - throughout the document it says "up to $18m" "approximately $18m" "some $18m", which one is it????
> Shield Final - still no guarantee it would be held at Adel Oval, we would have to negotiate with SANFL/AFL, I cant see that going well in early March leading into a footy season. This is a potential deal breaker IMO, why couldnt they agree that if SA qualified they could extend crickets rights to the oval for the 5 days required? This alone is likely to get many members offside.
> Major Events - It talks about AO allowing events such as Soccer WC, Rugby WC, Comm Games but we all know these events require full seated stadia which AO isnt, unless they get rid of the hill, which they say in the document will stay - Am I the only one who can see the issue here???! Sure it might not be an issue this decade but 20/30 years time?

and my other main question is budget overrun, if the project costs $700million who makes up the difference?

this is especially important when todays paper has an article about the massive cost blowout on teh new rah

[redandblack]

Do us all a favour MayZ and slow down when you type 'the'.

[MAY-Z]

Do us all a favour MayZ and slow down when you type 'the'.

how do you know tahs what im trying to type?

[redandblack]

I was hoping it was because the alternative is pathetic

[AFLflyer]

I've skipped a few pages because the same old arguments seemed to be tossed up about why not. Conspiracy theories abound on this forum.

If you have received your package, like I have and have read it carefully, like I have, and believe the speak in the package, like I do, although you always have to be sceptical, there is no reason to vote NO. I have already cast my vote and it was a resounding YES.

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

slowly getting through these 10pages - and this is the best comment so far!! well said. You'd be surprised with the amount of memebers who are begining to see the bigger picture and think like this, well done. do it for the city!

[AFLflyer]

Can you tell me what is bad for SA cricket?

Theres not alot bad for SA Cricket but imho it is bad for SA

bad for SA, far out, you cannot be serious!!!!!!

[whufc]

I've skipped a few pages because the same old arguments seemed to be tossed up about why not. Conspiracy theories abound on this forum.

If you have received your package, like I have and have read it carefully, like I have, and believe the speak in the package, like I do, although you always have to be sceptical, there is no reason to vote NO. I have already cast my vote and it was a resounding YES.

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

slowly getting through these 10pages - and this is the best comment so far!! well said. You'd be surprised with the amount of memebers who are begining to see the bigger picture and think like this, well done. do it for the city!

Does this include the people in SA who have no interest in sport what so ever and couldnt give a damn about an AO upgrade, does this include all our South Australian country folk who may only ever travel to AO once every couple of years. Does this include lots of elderly, mentally ill, disabled South Australians who through misfortune/bad luck cant actually even get to AO.

[whufc]

Also handing over power on a ground you run to a subcommitee is dangerous, costs less but you lose all power.

[Ecky]

I'm Dale Kerrigan, and this is my story.

I hope McLachlan has his trunk up.

Hooray! Where's Dennis Denuto when you need him?

F... Demetriou and the AFL for hijacking the history of Australian Rules and making it VFL only
F... the SANFL who have just become puppets for Demetriou
F... the Crows and Port who have decimated our beloved SANFL competition. They can rot at West Lakes
F... the SACA board who only care about the money they will get and not the history of Adelaide Oval
F... Mike Rann and his bunch of lying cronies

We owe it to Don Bradman and all the other old members who Pipers has been pushing in front of each summer since 1880 to get to his favourite seat TO VOTE NO!!!

SAVE ADELAIDE OVAL!!!

[AFLflyer]

I've skipped a few pages because the same old arguments seemed to be tossed up about why not. Conspiracy theories abound on this forum.

If you have received your package, like I have and have read it carefully, like I have, and believe the speak in the package, like I do, although you always have to be sceptical, there is no reason to vote NO. I have already cast my vote and it was a resounding YES.

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

slowly getting through these 10pages - and this is the best comment so far!! well said. You'd be surprised with the amount of memebers who are begining to see the bigger picture and think like this, well done. do it for the city!

Does this include the people in SA who have no interest in sport what so ever and couldnt give a damn about an AO upgrade, does this include all our South Australian country folk who may only ever travel to AO once every couple of years. Does this include lots of elderly, mentally ill, disabled South Australians who through misfortune/bad luck cant actually even get to AO.

Every state needs something positive for all to enjoy, this will not only be a new improved stadium, but spinoff's all the way down the torrens. The casino will pull 250m off the table if this project dies and go spend it elsewhere. The spin off's are the major benefit i see. How much do you love visiting Melbourne for their sport, dinning, entertainament and city life, don't you wnat to have the same start happening here?? i've said it before but it's actually embarrasiing how backwards some south australian's are.

[smac]

I'm Dale Kerrigan, and this is my story.

I hope McLachlan has his trunk up.

Hooray! Where's Dennis Denuto when you need him?

F... Demetriou and the AFL for hijacking the history of Australian Rules and making it VFL only
F... the SANFL who have just become puppets for Demetriou
F... the Crows and Port who have decimated our beloved SANFL competition. They can rot at West Lakes
F... the SACA board who only care about the money they will get and not the history of Adelaide Oval
F... Mike Rann and his bunch of lying cronies

We owe it to Don Bradman and all the other old members who Pipers has been pushing in front of each summer since 1880 to get to his favourite seat TO VOTE NO!!!

SAVE ADELAIDE OVAL!!!

Blow it to ******* sky!

Do you mean Don Bradman, the single most backward cricket administrator ever to grace the halls of Adelaide Oval?

[whufc]

I've skipped a few pages because the same old arguments seemed to be tossed up about why not. Conspiracy theories abound on this forum.

If you have received your package, like I have and have read it carefully, like I have, and believe the speak in the package, like I do, although you always have to be sceptical, there is no reason to vote NO. I have already cast my vote and it was a resounding YES.

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

slowly getting through these 10pages - and this is the best comment so far!! well said. You'd be surprised with the amount of memebers who are begining to see the bigger picture and think like this, well done. do it for the city!

Does this include the people in SA who have no interest in sport what so ever and couldnt give a damn about an AO upgrade, does this include all our South Australian country folk who may only ever travel to AO once every couple of years. Does this include lots of elderly, mentally ill, disabled South Australians who through misfortune/bad luck cant actually even get to AO.

Every state needs something positive for all to enjoy, this will not only be a new improved stadium, but spinoff's all the way down the torrens. The casino will pull 250m off the table if this project dies and go spend it elsewhere. The spin off's are the major benefit i see. How much do you love visiting Melbourne for their sport, dinning, entertainament and city life, don't you wnat to have the same start happening here?? i've said it before but it's actually embarrasiing how backwards some south australian's are.

my point is though currently there is no reason Port Adelaide cant move to AO, so in effect your doing a 500M upgrade to the ground for a small portion of Crows fans who will 'pour' into the city after about 10-12 home games a year.

a bigger stadium will not attract any more major sports to SA, there is no way in hell the FFA will take major socceroos games away from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane through the sheer fact we would be lucky to get 50K to a socceroos game no matter how big our stadium is.

Name other events we would get that would need a stadium bigger than the current AO capacity.

[MAY-Z]

my point is though currently there is no reason Port Adelaide cant move to AO, so in effect your doing a 500M upgrade to the ground for a small portion of Crows fans who will 'pour' into the city after about 10-12 home games a year.

a bigger stadium will not attract any more major sports to SA, there is no way in hell the FFA will take major socceroos games away from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane through the sheer fact we would be lucky to get 50K to a socceroos game no matter how big our stadium is.

Name other events we would get that would need a stadium bigger than the current AO capacity.

but clearly the entire state revolves around those 40,000 crows fans

there is nothing in your post that any reasonable person can argue with

[Drop Bear]

If the MCG works with both cricket and footy, I don't see why Adelaide Oval can't?

[Ecky]

The other argument i dont buy into is the whole 'you have a responsibility to the people of the state etc etc etc' does that include the people of SA who hate sport have never been to either stadium.

What about a responsibility to the kids playing cricket at your cricket club? Or the club up the road? Don't want the game to thrive in SA?

smac, on a more serious note

When the project inevitably goes over budget, who is going to pay for it? The brochure doesn't mention this aspect at all. I can see that $18 million being eaten up very quickly...
And once we have paid the mega bucks for the next batch of Kieron Pollards for this new 20/20 team, I can't see there being much left over at all for grass roots cricket, especially given the complete lack of support the SACA has given to our association (SA Churches and Community CA) in recent years.

[whufc]

People keep comparing us to Melbourne!

Melbourne has 9 Victorian teams that play in the city on a weekly basis, they can have up to 5 games a weekend in the city. With average crowds of around 40K a game even higher when 2 Victorian clubs play against each other. Throw in the fact Melbourne has one of highest city populations in the world and this is a totally different situation to Adelaide.

Adelaide gets 40K one week followed by 25K the next.

[redandblack]

There's no point debating things that aren't relevant, like spending the money elsewhere, building different stadiums in different places, etc.

The proposal is on the table.

Here's $500 million, plus $200 million from the casino, to upgrade the city's sporting and riverside facilities, effectively remove the SACA's debt, free up SACA's profits for junior and other development, all for no loss of membership benefits.

It's a no-brainer.

There's another proposal on the table that's similar.

"We're going to build a brand new state-of-the-art hospital"

Oh no, we don't want that, we like our old one.

Is it any wonder SA is a backward state at times.

But you blame the Government

(the same government who guarantee your debt).