Reasons to Vote "NO"

[White Line Fever]

I've skipped a few pages because the same old arguments seemed to be tossed up about why not. Conspiracy theories abound on this forum.

If you have received your package, like I have and have read it carefully, like I have, and believe the speak in the package, like I do, although you always have to be sceptical, there is no reason to vote NO. I have already cast my vote and it was a resounding YES.

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

finally sanity prevails

[MAY-Z]

just another thing on the value of teh seats

the northern stand at aami stadium created 7,000 seats for $12.5m
this proposes 14,000 seats for $535m

[pipers]

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

LOL @ Mylor.

I don't live in the hills. Far from it in fact.
And I don't like chardonnay. I've never been so insulted in all my life.

[Bulls forever]

If you believe what Mylor is saying, something like, he can't see his house in the hills from Level 4, seat B6 and so we should vote No, then so be it.

The Government have to spend money on something and apart from a 2 billion dollar hospital, that will be built, irrespective of whether the stadium goes ahead or not, major development plans are not on the radar. The casino is going to spend 250 mil, if the development goes ahead. Lets not be so negative, lets get something Adelaide can be really proud of. A vibrant part of Adelaide that has major national level sporting events all year round.

Otherwise, get Mylor to lend you a horse and lets bring back the horse and buggy on King William St.

VOTE YES FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT THE 20,000 SACA MEMBERS THAT DON'T WATCH HALF THE CRICKET ANYWAY, SIPPING CHARDONNAY OUT THE BACK. AND YES I HAVE DONE THAT, JUST RECENTLY IN FACT, BUT STILL NO REASON TO HOLD OUR STATE BACK.

LOL @ Mylor.

I don't live in the hills. Far from it in fact.
And I don't like chardonnay. I've never been so insulted in all my life.

You should get around more, you started this forum trying to generate the no vote based on stupid arguments and conspiracy theories. Lets move Adelaide into the next decade, the next century will come later.

[Hondo]

this is where your arguement breaks down, you have said that the saca members should vote yes for teh good of the state

if the sanfl sell aami stadium for teh quoted figure of $200million that would mean teh government would only have to put in $335million

what is better for teh state? a $535 spend or a a $235million spend?

as with most arguements on teh topic footy is giving up nothing

Well, how about a $135m spend? Why can't the SACA cough up $200m too? Why? Because it would cripple it as would the SANFL donating everything it owns to the State Govt. That's why Govts spend on infrastructure like this. It's normal government behaviour which the no vote campaign is trying to spin to be a free ticket for football.

The SACA is not putting anything into this development. Not one cent. This argument that the SACA are contributing assets to the SMA does not stand up. The SACA have built stands around an oval it leases. It still gets to use those stands.

Footy went out on it's own and bought land and built a stadium. The SACA never had to do this, but could have purchased land somewhere as an investment if it wished to. But it didn't.

[Bulls forever]

just another thing on the value of teh seats

the northern stand at aami stadium created 7,000 seats for $12.5m
this proposes 14,000 seats for $535m

Actually a few more than that MayZ, replicate the new western and you have 17k on the east, then add the southern end, a few more, then you will have modern toilets, not a cold cement piss hole to wee in. The 14k I believe is over and above what the current stadium seats, which includes Ian and Greg's stand and also Sir Dons. Have you ever sat in the northern stand at AAMI, probably the worst stand I have had the pleasure to grace. It you are taller than 5 ft nothing, you end up with leg cramps after 10 minutes. Whereas the new western stand is brilliant with viewing, leg room, faciliates, something you might expect in this era.

[MAY-Z]

just another thing on the value of teh seats

the northern stand at aami stadium created 7,000 seats for $12.5m
this proposes 14,000 seats for $535m

Actually a few more than that MayZ, replicate the new western and you have 17k on the east, then add the southern end, a few more, then you will have modern toilets, not a cold cement piss hole to wee in. The 14k I believe is over and above what the current stadium seats, which includes Ian and Greg's stand and also Sir Dons. Have you ever sat in the northern stand at AAMI, probably the worst stand I have had the pleasure to grace. It you are taller than 5 ft nothing, you end up with leg cramps after 10 minutes. Whereas the new western stand is brilliant with viewing, leg room, faciliates, something you might expect in this era.

that is entirely my point- we have 36k going to 50k that is 14k
just becasue you are knocking a few thousand down then going to 50k doesnt mean you have a net gain of more than 14k

if you have a $100 bet and it wins, pays $2 you end up with $200, that is a gain of $100, not $200

[pipers]

stupid arguments and conspiracy theories.

Where?

Pertinent questions and a skeptical or sceptical mind.

Baa-baa to you and you flock.

Apologies for the personal insult but some people just are not worth debating with on a mature level.

[White Line Fever]

stupid arguments and conspiracy theories.

Where?

Pertinent questions and a skeptical or sceptical mind.

Baa-baa to you and you flock.

Apologies for the personal insult but some people just are not worth debating with on a mature level.

A sheep is a follower.

what BF wants is change.
We want to change the direction Adelaide is going to bring it forward.
we want people to come here more than 5 days a year in November.

You are the sheep as you resist change, don't want to step out on a lmb and take a chance.

Are you over 35yo?
I bet you are.

Have you thought of Gen Y and the next gen of people enjoying sporting in Adelaide?
It's a lifestyle watching AFL in the city.
I just cannot grasp this small-minded vision.
Look at the big picture not how much a membership will be or who owes what or what government will spend!!

[MAY-Z]

Well, how about a $135m spend? Why can't the SACA cough up $200m too? Why? Because it would cripple it as would the SANFL donating everything it owns to the State Govt. That's why Govts spend on infrastructure like this. It's normal government behaviour which the no vote campaign is trying to spin to be a free ticket for football.

but the sanfl owning aami stadium doesnt generatre them revenue that wont be generated at adelaide oval during the winter so how would that cripple them? the sanfl should be saving money by only upkeeping the adelaide oval for their 6 months as opposed to aami for a full year.

the sanfl should be muchg better of revenue wise at adelaide cos of the forecasts are to be believed tehre will be thousands more people going so this should generate the sanfl a lot more money and only paying upkeep expenses for 6 months not 12

[MAY-Z]

stupid arguments and conspiracy theories.

Where?

Pertinent questions and a skeptical or sceptical mind.

Baa-baa to you and you flock.

Apologies for the personal insult but some people just are not worth debating with on a mature level.

Have you thought of Gen Y and the next gen of people enjoying sporting in Adelaide?
It's a lifestyle watching AFL in the city.
I just cannot grasp this small-minded vision.
Look at the big picture not how much a membership will be or who owes what or what government will spend!!

that is the big picture - we have a government that want to slash public sector jobs and sell off our forests tp balance their books yet some people want them to piss away $535million at a time when it would seem they cant afford to

[redandblack]

Careful with the age comments, WLF.

I'm well over 35

However, I'm all for the change for the future of the city and its population.

The argument about how many seats for how much is not really relevant. It's not just about seats, it's about the whole concept.

PS: The SMA members are:

PROJECT DIRECTORS
There are eight unpaid Directors of the SMA, with cricket and football represented equally. The
Directors are:
CHAIRMAN
Hon Ian McLachlan AO
CEO
Leigh Whicker
‐ Ian McLachlan (Chairman)
‐ Leigh Whicker (CEO)
‐ Creagh O'Connor
‐ John Bannon
‐ John Harnden
‐ Rod Payze
‐ James Coppins
‐ Phil Gallagher

[White Line Fever]

Careful with the age comments, WLF.

I'm well over 35

I have not found a single person my age generation (anywhere from 18yo to 35yo) that is opposing this development.

While I don't mean any disrespect for my elders, and I appreciate there are genuine exceptions, I feel as though this NO vote is being generated & orchestrated from some of the more mature members (probably as most SACA members are 'older) of our society and I have a burning desire to voice up for us younger guys.

These facts being quoted are relevant but we need to look at this simply.
Do we want AFL footy in the city sooner rather than later?
Once again no disrespect R&B i like your posts.

[redandblack]

No disrespect taken, WLF.

I agree with you 100% and think you're right about the old farts at the SACA opposing this (and pipers)

[Ecky]

Careful with the age comments, WLF.

I'm well over 35

I have not found a single person my age generation (anywhere from 18yo to 35yo) that is opposing this development.

While I don't mean any disrespect for my elders, and I appreciate there are genuine exceptions, I feel as though this NO vote is being generated & orchestrated from some of the more mature members (probably as most SACA members are 'older) of our society and I have a burning desire to voice up for us younger guys.

These facts being quoted are relevant but we need to look at this simply.
Do we want AFL footy in the city sooner rather than later?

Wrong - Mayz and I are under 35, as are a number of other members I have spoken to who will be voting no.

[whufc]

What i do find funny on SAFooty is that 90 odd per cent of football first people who arent SACA members are adament the re-development MUST go ahead, while 90 odd per cent of cricket first people who ARE SACA members are certain to vote NO!

There is no doubt without a shadow that this move suits the AFL alot more than it suit South Australian cricket.

At this stage ill be sticking with my NO vote.

[smac]

Can you tell me what is bad for SA cricket?

[redandblack]

No wonder nothing ever gets done in Adelaide

Even when someone offers you half a billion dollars, your immediate reaction is to say NO and you can't even put up a decent reason apart from self-interest.

[whufc]

No wonder nothing ever gets done in Adelaide

Even when someone offers you half a billion dollars, your immediate reaction is to say NO and you can't even put up a decent reason apart from self-interest.

Whats wrong with self interest, look out for number 1st!

[whufc]

Can you tell me what is bad for SA cricket?

Theres not alot bad for SA Cricket but imho it is bad for SA