interesting

[Barto]

And that is my point. Making money and surviving off of pokies isn't sustainable. There needs to be some other way of making yourself viable - however I don't know what that is giving the market in Adelaide is saturated - and SANFL teams don't get the exposure on an ongoing basis.

Hence in 10-20 years, clubs here will be broke/extinct, which no real SANFL fan wants to see.

What is another way of "making yourself viable" if pokies and AFL dividends aren't there? Gate takings have never been the main income source.

Unless the AFL wish to actively run the grassroots development then they've got no right to kill off the second tier of football.

[Wedgie]

Maybe its a good thing, keep ownership of the stadium/s, get same rent/catering deal as now, get 8 million back in cash and stop having to prop the Power up. Could also piss off any Crows or Power listed player to the VFL. SANFL would be much better off!

[therisingblues]

unfortuneately the word that comes to mind is inevitable.....hope i'm wrong though

I'd say inevitable is too strong a word.
I do get a feeling of deja-vu though. I think the AFL prefers to knuckle WA under before going to work on SA. How different the footy world would be now if they didn't so spinelessly collapse back in the day when even Woodville could sometimes draw crowds in excess of 10,000.

[gadj1976]

And that is my point. Making money and surviving off of pokies isn't sustainable. There needs to be some other way of making yourself viable - however I don't know what that is giving the market in Adelaide is saturated - and SANFL teams don't get the exposure on an ongoing basis.

Hence in 10-20 years, clubs here will be broke/extinct, which no real SANFL fan wants to see.

What is another way of "making yourself viable" if pokies and AFL dividends aren't there? Gate takings have never been the main income source.

Unless the AFL wish to actively run the grassroots development then they've got no right to kill off the second tier of football.

Never - they must've been a fair amount back in the 70's and 80's given that TV rights weren't really a massive income stream.

That's my point though. I'm not sure there is another source of viablity.

They wouldn't be killing it off, more restructuring it.

[therisingblues]

Maybe its a good thing, keep ownership of the stadium/s, get same rent/catering deal as now, get 8 million back in cash and stop having to prop the Power up. Could also piss off any Crows or Power listed player to the VFL. SANFL would be much better off!

Except that all power would be in the hands of the AFL.

[Barto]

Maybe its a good thing, keep ownership of the stadium/s, get same rent/catering deal as now, get 8 million back in cash and stop having to prop the Power up. Could also piss off any Crows or Power listed player to the VFL. SANFL would be much better off!

The AFL might turn around and pour some money into the AO development.

[JK]

unfortuneately the word that comes to mind is inevitable.....hope i'm wrong though

I'd say inevitable is too strong a word.
I do get a feeling of deja-vu though. I think the AFL prefers to knuckle WA under before going to work on SA. How different the footy world would be now if they didn't so spinelessly collapse back in the day when even Woodville could sometimes draw crowds in excess of 10,000.

Sadly I think Bayman's right .. Whether it's 2 or 20 years, in this day and age the corporates usually get what they are after, and the AFL own the football landscape effectively = They'll get whatever they want (eventually).

[southee]

unfortuneately the word that comes to mind is inevitable.....hope i'm wrong though

I'd say inevitable is too strong a word.
I do get a feeling of deja-vu though. I think the AFL prefers to knuckle WA under before going to work on SA. How different the footy world would be now if they didn't so spinelessly collapse back in the day when even Woodville could sometimes draw crowds in excess of 10,000.

Sadly I think Bayman's right .. Whether it's 2 or 20 years, in this day and age the corporates usually get what they are after, and the AFL own the football landscape effectively = They'll get whatever they want (eventually).

Agreed...and that will be the end for me personally.

The end of the great comp as we know it.

No more They can stick it.

[redandblack]

There's more to the Foxtel cup than most think.......I think.

Exactly...biggest "con" job out!!!

Oh dear.

Drawing a very long bow here

[redandblack]

unfortuneately the word that comes to mind is inevitable.....hope i'm wrong though

I'd say inevitable is too strong a word.
I do get a feeling of deja-vu though. I think the AFL prefers to knuckle WA under before going to work on SA. How different the footy world would be now if they didn't so spinelessly collapse back in the day when even Woodville could sometimes draw crowds in excess of 10,000.

Sadly I think Bayman's right .. Whether it's 2 or 20 years, in this day and age the corporates usually get what they are after, and the AFL own the football landscape effectively = They'll get whatever they want (eventually).

Agreed...and that will be the end for me personally.

The end of the great comp as we know it.

No more They can stick it.

It's not that long ago there was no AFL.

There was a VFL.

The VFL thought it was the only 'real' football comp in Australia.

The VFL raided the SANFL for players.

The SANFL were forced to institute a fund to keep the best players here.


Nothing changes, so the lesson is:

1 Don’t trust the AFL
2 Be prepared
3 Inevitably everything changes

[Royal City]

unfortuneately the word that comes to mind is inevitable.....hope i'm wrong though

I'd say inevitable is too strong a word.
I do get a feeling of deja-vu though. I think the AFL prefers to knuckle WA under before going to work on SA. How different the footy world would be now if they didn't so spinelessly collapse back in the day when even Woodville could sometimes draw crowds in excess of 10,000.

Sadly I think Bayman's right .. Whether it's 2 or 20 years, in this day and age the corporates usually get what they are after, and the AFL own the football landscape effectively = They'll get whatever they want (eventually).

been trying to warn ya!!! Is all I can say. If the sanfl haven't stood up before now. No way we will stand up now. The writing has been on the wall for ages.

I still find it interesting afl revenue is being Categorised as essential as pokie revenue. Pokie revenue = millions of $$
in revenue
per/year to sanfl clubs. Afl revenue approx $300k-$400k to a sanfl club per year.

all 9 sanfl clubs reported a profit this yeari believe. The same year for the first time ever both afl clubs made a loss. Because allegedly without successful afl clubs making $$$ the sanfl clubs would go broke.


Makes you think don't it ???


Do we really need afl clubs $400k a year. Or crowds to continue to increase for this great competition.

[redandblack]

RC, a major part of the SANFL's income is from the 2 AFL teams and AAMI Stadium.

A major part of the SANFL clubs income is the dividend from the SANFL.

Without that dividend, almost every SANFL club would make a loss and find it hard to continue.

[Royal City]

[quote="redandblack"]RC, a major part of the SANFL's income is from the 2 AFL teams and AAMI Stadium.

A major part of the SANFL clubs income is the dividend from the SANFL.

Without that dividend, almost every SANFL club would make a loss and find it hard to continue.[/quote

if I had the choice of an extra afl clubs revenue. Or the gov change legislation that sanfl clubs are allowed 60 pokies per club instead of 40. I know what I would choose.

Not saying afl revenue isn't healpful. It's justnot as essential as most make out IMHO!

We would find it tough but could survive without afl dividends. But withoutpokie revenue every club would die Within a month.

[Macca19]

FWIW: Demetriou is a blatant liar. He came over here last year and said he was happy with the way WA footy was structured and planned no changes, then comes out with this.

It gets my blood boiling when AFL club supporters (and Port are the worst for this) want to kill off the SANFL. Sure, do that but who does the development of players at the grassroots level? Are they going to take it over?

AFL supporters in Adelaide whine about the SANFL seeing the two AFL clubs just "cash cows". Of course they're cash cows, that's the whole POINT.

If they want to take away the revenue stream for development in the clubs districts, then the AFL can stop paying a pittance for player transfers.

The WAFC do a fantastic job of developing the game and future AFL players at the junior level

All that would happen is the SANFL would charge $4-5 million rent per club per year for the use of their ground. Is the SANFL then any worse of than what the current structure is? I wouldnt think so. So I dont understand why you would be so against the change in structure that would only put it in line with the WAFC system you rate so highly.

Having said that, i hope the AFL dont gain control of the two licenses in this state. Theres no real guarantee they will hand the over straight away to the clubs.

[Barto]

That would work, assuming AO doesn't go ahead.

The problem is, Port will still probably scream that they're getting dudded. The only advantage is the league doesn't have a liability when they go belly up.

[HOORAY PUNT]

I think some clubs have known this for a long time. There was some thought by 1 club GM that maybe the SANFL should sell the licences ( alot more than $4 mill btw) and become a truly independent league . This will be very interesting to watch .

[redandblack]

RC, a major part of the SANFL's income is from the 2 AFL teams and AAMI Stadium.

A major part of the SANFL clubs income is the dividend from the SANFL.

Without that dividend, almost every SANFL club would make a loss and find it hard to continue.[/quote

if I had the choice of an extra afl clubs revenue. Or the gov change legislation that sanfl clubs are allowed 60 pokies per club instead of 40. I know what I would choose.

Not saying afl revenue isn't healpful. It's justnot as essential as most make out IMHO!

We would find it tough but could survive without afl dividends. But withoutpokie revenue every club would die Within a month.

RC, pokies income and SANFL dividends are two separate arguments.

SANFL clubs get a dividend of about $400,000 a year ATM. Port Magpies got through because of an advance payment of this dividend.

Most clubs would not suddenly survive without this dividend.

20 more machines wouldn't do it. 100% more customers might, but that's a separate argument.

[Jim05]

Been saying for years there will be a 2nd division in the AFL. Free agency, promotion and relegation will be a reality in 10-15 years time. The foxtel cup is just a testing of the water.
The only positive would be that id love to see collingwood relegated

[HOORAY PUNT]

A seconnd tier would see the death of a few clubs though ,cant see that working .

[smithy]

Been saying for years there will be a 2nd division in the AFL. Free agency, promotion and relegation will be a reality in 10-15 years time. The foxtel cup is just a testing of the water.
The only positive would be that id love to see collingwood relegated

Which is how it should've always been rather than creating composite sides.