NZ vs AUS Game 2

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Postby mal » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:27 pm

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mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders
please name Australia's champion all-rounders, who carried us when we dominated world cricket for nearly 10 years?


Also name one allrounder we have currently that is anywhere near the equal of a Kallis or a Pollock. The other allrounders SA have are very good at one of the diciplines and the other is a bonus. We keep playing guys who aren't very good at either.


Andrew Symonds.
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Postby rod_rooster » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:28 pm

mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
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mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders
please name Australia's champion all-rounders, who carried us when we dominated world cricket for nearly 10 years?


Also name one allrounder we have currently that is anywhere near the equal of a Kallis or a Pollock. The other allrounders SA have are very good at one of the diciplines and the other is a bonus. We keep playing guys who aren't very good at either.


Andrew Symonds.


touche :lol: :wink:
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Postby mal » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:30 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
Punk Rooster wrote:
mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders
please name Australia's champion all-rounders, who carried us when we dominated world cricket for nearly 10 years?


Also name one allrounder we have currently that is anywhere near the equal of a Kallis or a Pollock. The other allrounders SA have are very good at one of the diciplines and the other is a bonus. We keep playing guys who aren't very good at either.


Andrew Symonds.


touche :lol: :wink:


Thank **** you only asked name 'ONE' allrounder.
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Postby rod_rooster » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:34 pm

mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
Punk Rooster wrote:
mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders
please name Australia's champion all-rounders, who carried us when we dominated world cricket for nearly 10 years?


Also name one allrounder we have currently that is anywhere near the equal of a Kallis or a Pollock. The other allrounders SA have are very good at one of the diciplines and the other is a bonus. We keep playing guys who aren't very good at either.


Andrew Symonds.


touche :lol: :wink:


Thank f*** you only asked name 'ONE' allrounder.


Having said that Symonds is neither as good a batsman nor bowler as Kallis and not as good a bowler as Pollock. You could argue he is a better o/d batsman that Kallis though.

I do think that Symonds is an incredible talent. I really hope the selectors stick with him when they finally start playing real cricket again cos i think he could become a fabulous Test cricketer.
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Postby - » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:29 am

id take symonds. kallis bats higher and probably better on dodgy pitches.
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Postby - » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:31 am

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Postby mal » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:40 am

KALLIS is the best batting allrounder Ive seen since Gary SOBERS in test cricket
TESTS
AVE 55-09
AVE 31-71
But had he batted 7 all of his career his batting would have suffered


He is also a good one day player as well.
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Postby rod_rooster » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:49 am

mal wrote:KALLIS is the best batting allrounder Ive seen since Gary SOBERS in test cricket
TESTS
AVE 55-09
AVE 31-71
But had he batted 7 all of his career his batting would have suffered


He is also a good one day player as well.


Kallis never batted 7 as he was always picked as a batsman. His bowling, while very good, has always just been a bonus. He will and would have been selected based purely on his batting. What a player though.
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Postby Blue Boy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:06 am

mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders


Mal

Who is the better player Kallis or Watson :wink:
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:14 pm

Between Kallis and Symonds, I know who I'd rather WATCH!! :)
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Postby mal » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:28 pm

Blue Boy wrote:
mal wrote:
SOTTERS wrote:Australia now ranked #2 in one - day cricket. South Africa #1.


Just a coincidence but South Africa play lots of allrounders


Mal

Who is the better player Kallis or Watson :wink:


KALLIS no comparism but similar players
Both are the same vintage
bat sedately and correctly
both are not out and out sloggers
both bowl the same stuff + love bowling short stuff
both can bowl at 140km at times

KALLIS is much better, but if he batted 7 and Watson batted 4, the gap narrows.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:13 pm

REB's thoughts on the game

1. Eden Park would have to be one of the toughest grounds to defend on.
2. Jaques might make it as a test player but not as a one day player in my view.
3. McGrath's strength has now become a weakness, a predictable line and length and his slower ball is not taking wickets.
4. Cameron White has an alarming lack of control.
5. Watson bowled very well in this match I thought, but his varations need work.
6. Hogg can't buy a wicket at the moment, Jaques did him and Australia no favours by dropping McMillan.
7. Our fielding is shite, Tate, Jaques, Bracken are all rubbish in the field.
8. Tate is all over the bloody shop. He'll go for plenty in the West Indies.
9. The Kiwi commentators on Fox are without doubt the most painful one eyed idiots to ever call a cricket match
10. Taylor got more edges than a Gillette factory
11. Hodge looked a player today

Another ordinary one day effort, our fifth loss in six matches and our fourth loss in a row. To say we missed Gilly, Punter, Pup, Lee and Roy was an understatement.

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Postby MAY-Z » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:25 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:REB's thoughts on the game

1. Eden Park would have to be one of the toughest grounds to defend on.
2. Jaques might make it as a test player but not as a one day player in my view.
3. McGrath's strength has now become a weakness, a predictable line and length and his slower ball is not taking wickets.
4. Cameron White has an alarming lack of control.
5. Watson bowled very well in this match I thought, but his varations need work.
6. Hogg can't buy a wicket at the moment, Jaques did him and Australia no favours by dropping McMillan.
7. Our fielding is shite, Tate, Jaques, Bracken are all rubbish in the field.
8. Tate is all over the bloody shop. He'll go for plenty in the West Indies.
9. The Kiwi commentators on Fox are without doubt the most painful one eyed idiots to ever call a cricket match
10. Taylor got more edges than a Gillette factory
11. Hodge looked a player today

Another ordinary one day effort, our fifth loss in six matches and our fourth loss in a row. To say we missed Gilly, Punter, Pup, Lee and Roy was an understatement.

regards,

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1. correct
2. thats what happens when you pick players when they are out of form. if he was chosen at the start of the summer as opposed to persisting with the washed up hack hayden we would see a far nmore confident jacques- remember he made 95 on odi debut only to be cast aside- what sort of sonfidence does that give the bloke
3. correct, he longer has any respect from the opposition may well be cannon fodder in the west indies
4. correct at the moment but remember he has probably only bowled 20 overs in the last 2-3 months and is suddenly thrown the ball in a pressure situation
5. correct, but wasnt it his variations that got teh wickets (2 from slower balls and a waist high fully)
6. as per white- not enough cricket recently and the small boundaries certainly didnt help
7. correct
8. didnt bowl that badly yesterday a few lucky shots early that wouldve changed his day had luck been on his side
9. makes a change from all the aussie commentators
10. didnt see all his innings but he also hit a few quite well
11. correct needs to consistantly look it though
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Postby mal » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:30 pm

MALS THOUGHTS ON THE GAME

GILCHRIST
PONTING
CLARKE
SYMONDS
LEE
MAL
REB

We all didnt play.
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Postby am Bays » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:34 pm

9. but the sum of their bias is still less than Bill Lawry......
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby - » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:34 pm

mayz,

unfortunately jacques isnt the 1st to suffer.

Katich being left out after his ton against india in sydney 03/04 did him no good.

Lehmann being left out after his subcontinent success in 1998 did him no good on return.

Sadly its the way it goes and the players hve to deal with it.
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Postby Booney » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:35 pm

mal wrote:MALS THOUGHTS ON THE GAME

GILCHRIST-Resting
PONTING-Resting
CLARKE-Injured
SYMONDS-Injured
LEE-Injured
MAL-Lucky to get bayman out in the West Croydon nets.Div 5 Churches beckons.
REB-No knees left and its 32 and 100% humidity in his neck of the woods. :drinkers:

We all didnt play.
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Postby - » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:36 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:9. but the sum of their bias is still less than Bill Lawry......



I agree but bil talks up the other team sometimes to make it seem interesting.

I think the 9 commentary team all play a role that they have instructed to from above to some extent.

I reckon Bill Lawry genuinely has a massive passion for the game aswell.
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Postby - » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:42 pm

Reb,

At full strength We know our top 3 is hayd, gil, pont.

we know 5 6 7 is sym huss wats

this leaves 4.

I would have Hodge any day over m clarke. M Clarke has never impressed me in the one day arena. Hodge is a superior player in all aspects of one day batting. Imho Hodge is in the top dozen batsman in the world at the moment. He is in career best form. He oozes class and for mine is the ideal and ready made replacement for martyn. They are very similar.
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Postby MAY-Z » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:53 pm

- wrote:Reb,

At full strength We know our top 3 is hayd, gil, pont.



thats one of the problems between they have 1 hundred each in their last 24 matches, and haydens would have to be the worst one-day hundred ever
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