Boys and Berry

[mal]

Darren Berry
Is he the type of coach SA needs in all formats of cricket ?
Berry has been a relevation with the boys in the 20/20 comp winning 5 of the 6 games
He was a very tough competitor on the field, and without knowing what he is like as a coach, is he the type SA needs ?


Should SA offer him a full time job as coach of all 3 formats of cricket ?

YES

[brod]

It was interesting to hear him say how he had studied T20 cricket around the world prior to the Big Bash and noticed the success slow bowling has had rather than a "balanced attack" and then the successful implementation of it in this season.

I would have to say Ive been impressed every time Ive heard him speak in the past month regarding the redbacks and cricket in general...so Id be happy to have him as a full time coach in 11/12

[smithy]

He's quite openly stated he is a career coach.
Obviously done a good job with the 20/20 lads, but at this stage no better than Sorrell last season.
If he can turn around everything that's poor about SA in shield cricket then I'm all for it.
And I agree MAL, I reckon he might just be the take no $hit, perform or else, value your wicket type person we need.

[mal]

I know some people have reservations about 20/20 cricket
Ive spoke to a friend recently who cant believe we need 20/2o coaches
I think tactically , you actually need a coach with nous at this format

There have been some more than interesting innovations this 20/20 season
The emphasis on slower bowling has been pronounced this season
Is it Berrys influence ?

[Grahaml]

20/20 is the most tactical form of the game, no question. In fact the longer the time you get the less tactics and the more talent, technique/execution and perseverance pays off.

So we need someone good tactically to run the 20/20 side and someone (or a team of someones) to help with long term development in first class cricket.

[Rik E Boy]

20/20 is the most tactical form of the game, no question. In fact the longer the time you get the less tactics and the more talent, technique/execution and perseverance pays off.

So we need someone good tactically to run the 20/20 side and someone (or a team of someones) to help with long term development in first class cricket.

You've been watching Punter captain the Test side for too long. While I reckon the teeball would be tougher for captains, if your first plan fails you don't exactly have much time to recover. I respectfully disagree here.

regards,

REB

[Bulls forever]

20/20 is the most tactical form of the game, no question. In fact the longer the time you get the less tactics and the more talent, technique/execution and perseverance pays off.

So we need someone good tactically to run the 20/20 side and someone (or a team of someones) to help with long term development in first class cricket.

You've been watching Punter captain the Test side for too long. While I reckon the teeball would be tougher for captains, if your first plan fails you don't exactly have much time to recover. I respectfully disagree here.

regards,

REB

Having watched the recent test series and seen the numbers of coaches (& hangers on) that sit and do the analysis, I now think the problem with SA cricket is that we don't have enough people sitting around taking stats, analysing the next soft dismissal, why he bowled the long hop, how will I place the cones in a straight line for the warm ups, misdiagnosing the injury (ala Taity). I say we need to fill the viewing area with coaches and let the players sit in the grandstand with the public.

Berry over the line for the following reasons
- after first 20/20, has actually got it right.
- not from SA.
- good mate of Cox.
- actually looks like he makes people accountable.

See my post some time ago and I support what I said then.

[bayman]

unless there is a better applicant i'd give 'chuck' the job now....he does know the players now as well

[Footy Smart]

20/20 is the most tactical form of the game, no question. In fact the longer the time you get the less tactics and the more talent, technique/execution and perseverance pays off.

So we need someone good tactically to run the 20/20 side and someone (or a team of someones) to help with long term development in first class cricket.

You've been watching Punter captain the Test side for too long. While I reckon the teeball would be tougher for captains, if your first plan fails you don't exactly have much time to recover. I respectfully disagree here.

regards,

REB

Having watched the recent test series and seen the numbers of coaches (& hangers on) that sit and do the analysis, I now think the problem with SA cricket is that we don't have enough people sitting around taking stats, analysing the next soft dismissal, why he bowled the long hop, how will I place the cones in a straight line for the warm ups, misdiagnosing the injury (ala Taity). I say we need to fill the viewing area with coaches and let the players sit in the grandstand with the public.

Berry over the line for the following reasons
- after first 20/20, has actually got it right.
- not from SA.
- good mate of Cox.
- actually looks like he makes people accountable.

See my post some time ago and I support what I said then.

Great Thread Mal and so far common sense has been talked so keep it up lads

BF has summed it up nicely.

most importantly for me he:
- comes from another state (reasonably successful state)
- makes players accountable
- will make changes when required

Talking to a few state players recently, we were talking about the coaching situation etc and they couldnt speak highly enough of him. This included a few that werent even in the 20/20 team. They said if you didnt do the right thing on the field, when you came off he would hold the door open for you then follow you into the rooms and let you know in no uncertain terms that you "Stuffed up". Your focus the next week at training was to not make the same mistake! Accountablility is the biggest thing missing from our side. They are talented enough and hopefully accountablility in their performance will bring consistancy.

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Please don't avoid the swear filter.

[Push in the Back]

Old school will work over a short torny like Big Bash - lets see over 12 months. As all know lets hope next coach (Berry or other) dont get caught up in bullshit politics that rains down daily at SACA and just gets on with the cricket...