We are pathetic

[Lightning McQueen]

One thing this summer has shown me is we are the most pathetic nation when it comes to supporting our team. As soon as things start going wrong we spit the dummy, turning against everyone, and act like a bunch of spoilt brats. Everyone was on the bandwagon when we were winning, but as soon as things start going downhill everyone jumps off and shows what type of people they really are. The knives come out and everyone suddenly becomes an expert on all areas of the game from player development to selection to batting order. It doesn't matter if you like some of the players or not, it doesn't matter if the player you wanted in the team was chosen or not, what does matter is that they are our national team. Don't pretend to be a supporter when we are winning if you don't want to support our team when they aren't. All we have shown this summer is how pathetic we are as supporters.

I hope the next time our national team starts winning a lot of people on this forum don't come back and pretend to be supporters.

It matters the most to me, I wont support a team I don't barrack for, if I like another team more, I will support them. Once we begin selecting players on merit not reputation or because they are good blokes or whatever the reason may be, I will throw my support back their way, I am sick of ill-logical decision-making. It's not about whether we are winning or losing for me, I was hoping for a loss here and there when I thought we were playing with too much arrogance a few years back.

Doesn't national pride ( unlike football team allegiances ) over ride the fact you dont agree with the selections made? How can you like another country's team more than your own? Sure, you might appreciate their talents, but like them more?

If, for instance, you are a Adelaide fan and they pick Tambling in round 1 and you think he is a muppet, do you not support them that week?

PS - I do occasionally get "Boney"....but it's Booney.

Sort of guilty your honour, Malcolm Blight is my sporting idol, if he was to coach the Gold Coast, there would be a fair chance that I would support them, I've jumped ship for him before.
Don'th think that I "hate" the Australian side, I simply don't respect their values, their logic, their vision from the upper level of Cricket Australia. If they are going to continually frustrate me with idiotic selections and no long-term vision, I don't wish them well, if losing some games and handing in our World Cup is going to get rid of some of the knobheads that continue to deny the best talent and growth of cricket in Australia games, then so be it.
Seeing the Windies spiral into minnowism and still are a long way from returning to the pack scares me.

[Lightning McQueen]

What if you dont agree with those changes?

Just seeing something positive would make some difference.

[Booney]

One thing this summer has shown me is we are the most pathetic nation when it comes to supporting our team. As soon as things start going wrong we spit the dummy, turning against everyone, and act like a bunch of spoilt brats. Everyone was on the bandwagon when we were winning, but as soon as things start going downhill everyone jumps off and shows what type of people they really are. The knives come out and everyone suddenly becomes an expert on all areas of the game from player development to selection to batting order. It doesn't matter if you like some of the players or not, it doesn't matter if the player you wanted in the team was chosen or not, what does matter is that they are our national team. Don't pretend to be a supporter when we are winning if you don't want to support our team when they aren't. All we have shown this summer is how pathetic we are as supporters.

I hope the next time our national team starts winning a lot of people on this forum don't come back and pretend to be supporters.

It matters the most to me, I wont support a team I don't barrack for, if I like another team more, I will support them. Once we begin selecting players on merit not reputation or because they are good blokes or whatever the reason may be, I will throw my support back their way, I am sick of ill-logical decision-making. It's not about whether we are winning or losing for me, I was hoping for a loss here and there when I thought we were playing with too much arrogance a few years back.

Doesn't national pride ( unlike football team allegiances ) over ride the fact you dont agree with the selections made? How can you like another country's team more than your own? Sure, you might appreciate their talents, but like them more?

If, for instance, you are a Adelaide fan and they pick Tambling in round 1 and you think he is a muppet, do you not support them that week?

PS - I do occasionally get "Boney"....but it's Booney.

Sort of guilty your honour, Malcolm Blight is my sporting idol, if he was to coach the Gold Coast, there would be a fair chance that I would support them, I've jumped ship for him before.
Don'th think that I "hate" the Australian side, I simply don't respect their values, their logic, their vision from the upper level of Cricket Australia. If they are going to continually frustrate me with idiotic selections and no long-term vision, I don't wish them well, if losing some games and handing in our World Cup is going to get rid of some of the knobheads that continue to deny the best talent and growth of cricket in Australia games, then so be it.
Seeing the Windies spiral into minnowism and still are a long way from returning to the pack scares me.

To quote a famous movie character "Cahow!"

You dont support the selectors or the back room staff mate, you support the 11 blokes who hit the field and represent the country we live in and love. Oh, and it's Australian Gold my friend and dont you ******* forget it! Canary yellow....!

[valleys07]

Oh, and it's Australian Gold my friend and dont you ******* forget it! Canary yellow....!

Be that as it may bull....

[Grahaml]

Funny how people are so quick to criticise, and then refuse to give credit when it's due. Suddenly it's all Hilditch's fault our players aren't so good? We don't agree with a few selections and suddenly we all start sooking? Half the people want kids given a go. So what did they do when they selected Hughes and Smith? Neither had the form to warrant being selected for Australia, but they were given a go since they were young. I've yet to hear too many people on here own up to being wrong, yet so many people are happy to attack with vitriol time and time again. If you aren't happy to give someone a chance to fail before attacking them, then you should man up and admit when you were wrong. Otherwise you have no credibility.

I also like this sentiment that the selectors, players and coaches aren't accountable. How would you know? Are you accountable in your job? If so, would I know being a random member of the public what your boss told you behind closed doors every time? Unless you know what these people are told by the people in charge of them in regards to their performance you have no way of knowing how accountable they are. Or do you actually think that they are like MPs, elected to serve the public or something?

As for anyone not happy with the one day side, we're still the number one nation, won the last 3 world cups and you're still not happy? Want more than winning games? You can't possibly be unhappy with the one day side and still be considered knowledgable.

[Media Park]

Funny how people are so quick to criticise, and then refuse to give credit when it's due. Suddenly it's all Hilditch's fault our players aren't so good? We don't agree with a few selections and suddenly we all start sooking? Half the people want kids given a go. So what did they do when they selected Hughes and Smith? Neither had the form to warrant being selected for Australia, but they were given a go since they were young. I've yet to hear too many people on here own up to being wrong, yet so many people are happy to attack with vitriol time and time again. If you aren't happy to give someone a chance to fail before attacking them, then you should man up and admit when you were wrong. Otherwise you have no credibility.

I also like this sentiment that the selectors, players and coaches aren't accountable. How would you know? Are you accountable in your job? If so, would I know being a random member of the public what your boss told you behind closed doors every time? Unless you know what these people are told by the people in charge of them in regards to their performance you have no way of knowing how accountable they are. Or do you actually think that they are like MPs, elected to serve the public or something?

As for anyone not happy with the one day side, we're still the number one nation, won the last 3 world cups and you're still not happy? Want more than winning games? You can't possibly be unhappy with the one day side and still be considered knowledgable.

What is Steve Smith in the side for? Watson yes, Smith no.

Steve Smith, specialist fielder, and specialist injection of youth so the selectors can go back and defend themselves with him...

[smithy]

I also like this sentiment that the selectors, players and coaches aren't accountable. How would you know?.

Pretty simple.
The worst home result in history and everyone still has a job.
Players not performing for long periods of time and still in the team.

I'd say that no-one has been held accountable for very poor performances.

[Drop Bear]

As far as selectors are concerned I only need to quote one man. "I think we did a very good job" - Andrew Hilditch.

As far as I see it the test team and one day team are totally different and should remain that way. Just because I don't follow any of the players in the one day team, except Punter, it doesn't mean I hate my country FFS. It's just a game of cricket.

[gadj1976]

One thing this summer has shown me is we are the most pathetic nation when it comes to supporting our team. As soon as things start going wrong we spit the dummy, turning against everyone, and act like a bunch of spoilt brats. Everyone was on the bandwagon when we were winning, but as soon as things start going downhill everyone jumps off and shows what type of people they really are. The knives come out and everyone suddenly becomes an expert on all areas of the game from player development to selection to batting order. It doesn't matter if you like some of the players or not, it doesn't matter if the player you wanted in the team was chosen or not, what does matter is that they are our national team. Don't pretend to be a supporter when we are winning if you don't want to support our team when they aren't. All we have shown this summer is how pathetic we are as supporters.

I hope the next time our national team starts winning a lot of people on this forum don't come back and pretend to be supporters.

PAFC, you should talk to your supporters (AFL football I'm talking). If and when you start winning, your crowd numbers will start increasing... it's unfortunately human nature.

Back on topic - I've barracked against us for years. I can't stand the petulant nature of Australian cricketers over recent years and am glad that we're starting to be brought down a peg or six. Once we start pulling our heads in (collectively speaking) I'll be happy to support Australia again. Till then, the opposition will get my support - albeit begrudgingly.

[Lightning McQueen]

To quote a famous movie character "Cahow!"

You dont support the selectors or the back room staff mate, you support the 11 blokes who hit the field and represent the country we live in a love. Oh, and it's Australian Gold my friend and dont you ******* forget it! Canary yellow....!

I cannot bring myself to be inspired by a team when they make stupid choices. Watching Dave Hussey paddle the ball around batting at 3 in T20 match when we are cruising.
Steve Smith continually failing to make contact with the ball in the latter part of an innings then goes in as a pinch hitter and fails.
Recalling Brett Lee into to the team when he's a liability.
Watching Bollinger get spanked at domestic level, then at international level and still get a game.
Watching Mitch start the ball down leg and then send it 2 foot down leg 2 balls when we needed someone to stand up.
I love Australia, but I'm just so sick of watching us deny talent a game of our cricket at the highest level.

[smithy]

As for anyone not happy with the one day side, we're still the number one nation, won the last 3 world cups and you're still not happy? Want more than winning games? You can't possibly be unhappy with the one day side and still be considered knowledgable.

Glad Tait is out. Just about the most overrated cricketer going around. 5 years ago was a good first class and limited over bowler, never a test standard bowler, but now doesn't get enough wickets, goes for too many runs, doesn't add anything with the bat or in the field. At least Lee is useful with the bat and can field, plus looks more likely to avoid being belted around from time to time. Similarly lacking in wicket taking ability right now though.

"We didn't go any quicker after Clarke was out until the last 2 or 3 overs" This statement is utter nonsense. Run rate picked up as soon as Clarke was out. A guy who was out there for 50 balls couldn't score as quickly as a guy who didn't have that luxury. If Mike Hussey hits 10 off 15 (Clarke's SR) instead of 21 off 15 we need 15 or so off that last over instead of 4.

The result was because Watson won us the game. Watson's batting allowed us to keep wickets in hand and keep the run rate manageable despite Clarke going at a strike rate of 65. And the fact we won and they lost doesn't mean all our blokes played well and all their blokes played badly. Don't let a great performance by one player wallpaper a poor performance by another by saying the result proves anything so grandiose.

So you're happy with the side Graham? or are you lacking knowledge like the rest of us with a different opinion to yours.

[westcoastpanther]

I always hope Australia win, but I've almost taken pleasure in watching Steve Smith continually fail this summer. It's only when he is still there next game I start to go red!!

[Media Park]

I always hope Australia win, but I've almost taken pleasure in watching Steve Smith continually fail this summer. It's only when he is still there next game I start to go red!!

Get used to it WCP... He's only 21, and they love the blonde spinner boy...

[Lightning McQueen]

I always hope Australia win, but I've almost taken pleasure in watching Steve Smith continually fail this summer. It's only when he is still there next game I start to go red!!

The best number 6 in the country............just ask Hilditch. He would've been better off saying he was a work in progress.

[Gozu]

What was the team that big fatty was playing for at the last WC? Bermuda? They were my #2 team last time.

[Media Park]

What was the team that big fatty was playing for at the last WC? Bermuda? They were my #2 team last time.

Bermuda's Dwayne Leverock...

Vision of the catch is on the cricket video's thread.

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

I hope the next time our national team starts winning a lot of people on this forum don't come back and pretend to be supporters.

Those that stick with them now will enjoy the good times in the future so much more, this summer has been unbelievable for me and many others, and made all the more sweeter given the events of 06/07, 02/03 etc.

[cripple]

Wow....an Australian who supports another cricket team and not our own giving advice on loyalty to a team.

Please, please don't tell me you're an English supporter...

definately not an English supporter, windies as a matter of fact. The only thing I can attribute this to is the windies visiting Alice springs in 2001 and being mesmerised by Brian Charles Lara, then going to Adelaide a couple of weeks later and seeing him smash the Aussies around in a test match. Ever since I have followed the windies and have had to put up with being called unaustralian and unpatriotic by numerous people but I will be the first to support Australia anywhere else, even womens cricket. I personally think it would now be less Australian of me to change my cricketing allegiances then stick with the path I have chosen, hence my comments on loyalty toward the team you support.

[Q.]

Patriotism is grossly overrated anyway...

[mal]

1 LIGHTNING MCQUEEN
2 RIK E BOY
3 WEST COAST PANTHER
4 ADELAIDE HAWK
5 DEDJA
6 BAYMAN
7 SMITHY
8 CRIPPLE
9 JIM 05
10 MEDIA PARK
11 SHANE WATSON

If Australia picked this team for the next Ashes series I would still support them
I will always barrack for Australia
I have supported Australia in the golden era of 1989-2008
I have supported Australia 2009-2011
I will continue to support the lads in any game they play
Sometimes the selectors pick guys who I consider as not good enough, or someone is better, but I still support Australia


PAFC
I agree with you