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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Stumps » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:26 am

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Adelaide Hawk wrote:Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.


Pity he doesn't bowl off spin :wink:


Orthodox spin has always been classified as off spin. It used to be anyway.


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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Media Park » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:49 am

Bump... This guy's just scored his sixth Test century, has over 100 Test caps, 340 wickets at a good economy rate, and averages nearly thirty with the bat (for over 4000 runs).

IMO, the best cricketer NZ has produced.

*edit- equal sixth most Test centuries for NZ, equal fourth most half-centuries
*edit- second most Test wickets for NZ, less than 100 behind Sir RJ Hadlee
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby dedja » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:14 pm

*cough* Sir Richard Hadlee *cough*

... but agree that Vettori is right up there
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Grahaml » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:12 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if the guy retires with every aggregate record in NZ cricket history, runs included.
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Media Park » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:19 pm

Grahaml wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if the guy retires with every aggregate record in NZ cricket history, runs included.


Depending on how long he plays, he may get there... But the runs record would be a tough one...

Having said that, in THAT side, he could nab the number four or five spot regularly...

McCullum opening with Guptill, Ross Taylor at three, and it falls away after that... Put Mr Reliable in next? Can't lose much...
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Grahaml » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:32 pm

Will be tough to get the runs, needs 3k more, but he is only 32 in a few days. Could play into his 40s if he is willing and able physically. Could be the first to crack 200 tests.
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Media Park » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:34 pm

I think NZ would need to play a lot more cricket than they do currently, but there would be no-one more deserving...
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby MatteeG » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:19 pm

The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby MAY-Z » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:44 am

MatteeG wrote:The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!


vettori test bowling average 34.1, hauritz 34.98
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:15 pm

Media Park wrote:Bump... This guy's just scored his sixth Test century, has over 100 Test caps, 340 wickets at a good economy rate, and averages nearly thirty with the bat (for over 4000 runs).

IMO, the best cricketer NZ has produced.

*edit- equal sixth most Test centuries for NZ, equal fourth most half-centuries
*edit- second most Test wickets for NZ, less than 100 behind Sir RJ Hadlee


Blimey Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe both say hello! :shock:

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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby GWW » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:37 pm

Richard Hadlee is the best cricketer NZ has produced by a signficant margin. M Crowe is still second.

Vettori is certainly developing a good reputation for himself though.
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:10 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
MatteeG wrote:The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!


vettori test bowling average 34.1, hauritz 34.98

Good stats for vettori considering he carries the load of a crap team.
Think how much better his average would be if he got to bowl against nz for 3 tests every year :D
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby MatteeG » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:16 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
MatteeG wrote:The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!


vettori test bowling average 34.1, hauritz 34.98


Why would you mention Hauritz in a thread about Vettori?

Vettori 104 tests, 263 ODIs
Hauritz 17 tests and 57 ODIs
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:17 pm

MatteeG wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
MatteeG wrote:The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!


vettori test bowling average 34.1, hauritz 34.98


Why would you mention Hauritz in a thread about Vettori?

Vettori 104 tests, 263 ODIs
Hauritz 17 tests and 57 ODIs


It aint rocket surgery Mattteeeeeeeeeeeee. Here is everyone praising Vettori on a site where everyone bags Horrie and they have the same bowling average. BRING BACK THE RITZ!

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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby MAY-Z » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:24 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
MatteeG wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
MatteeG wrote:The bloke is a star. And appears to be a good bloke to boot.

And if anyone saw the footage of him bringing up the 100 today, the (brunette) chick who was holding one of his kids (wife or other) was smoking!


vettori test bowling average 34.1, hauritz 34.98


Why would you mention Hauritz in a thread about Vettori?

Vettori 104 tests, 263 ODIs
Hauritz 17 tests and 57 ODIs


It aint rocket surgery Mattteeeeeeeeeeeee. Here is everyone praising Vettori on a site where everyone bags Horrie and they have the same bowling average. BRING BACK THE RITZ!

regards,

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exactly - just pointing out some inequities in most peoples thinking
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby mal » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:25 pm

BATTING AVERAGES
VETTORI 29-98
THENATH 25-05
If The Nath batted higher, and Danny lower.....

BOWLING STRIKE RATES
VETTORI 77-32
THERITZ 66-66
Despite the superior strike rate per wicket,I still think Danny is the better bowler as concedes less runs per over
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:56 pm

Are you guys joking?
Comparing hauritz to vettori is like comparing scott muller to mcgrath.
Vettori comes in to bat when nz are 6 for eff all usually and is expected to get them to a decent total, then when he bowls he is trying to defend small totals and be the main strike bowler. He sacrifices his figures by coming on early and trying to get break throughs. He does this whilst captaining a crap cricket side. Plus he has never had the chance to bowl against nz.
Vettori has proven himself workdwide over a long period of time.
Hauritz had a couple if good home series and one of them was against the corrupt pakis.
Ill take vettori any day of the week thanks
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby MatteeG » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:27 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:It aint rocket surgery Mattteeeeeeeeeeeee. Here is everyone praising Vettori on a site where everyone bags Horrie and they have the same bowling average. BRING BACK THE RITZ!

regards,

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exactly - just pointing out some inequities in most peoples thinking


I'd say its inequitable comparing a left arm orthodox to an off-spinner...

Anyway my opinion- Vettori performs with both bat and ball when his side needs him, and I'd say he'd have a high % of top 6 batsmen's scalps amongst his wicket hauls.

If we are gonna compare the two maybe we should wait for ritz to play 100 tests. 8)
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Grahaml » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:20 pm

I can come up with a bunch of reasons why things are easier for Vettori than Hauritz too. Always gets a chance to bat how he likes, no smashing the ball around to set a target and sacrificing wickets before a declaration; Doesn't have to worry about his spot; Being the best and most dangerous bowler NZ have most of the time the batsmen don't look to attack him so much; Always gets to bowl to the tail and when the deck is good to bowl on (Aussie quicks tend to get the lion's share of the best times to bowl); Plays a lot more tests against the likes of Bangladesh.

All in all, though, I think the average speaks volumes. Vettori is widely respected mostly because the rest of the NZ side is so poor. Not sure we'd be talking about Vettori's batting like we do if he always had blokes ahead of him averaging 50.
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Re: Daniel Vettori

Postby Bulls forever » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:37 pm

Grahaml wrote:I can come up with a bunch of reasons why things are easier for Vettori than Hauritz too. Always gets a chance to bat how he likes, no smashing the ball around to set a target and sacrificing wickets before a declaration; Doesn't have to worry about his spot; Being the best and most dangerous bowler NZ have most of the time the batsmen don't look to attack him so much; Always gets to bowl to the tail and when the deck is good to bowl on (Aussie quicks tend to get the lion's share of the best times to bowl); Plays a lot more tests against the likes of Bangladesh.

All in all, though, I think the average speaks volumes. Vettori is widely respected mostly because the rest of the NZ side is so poor. Not sure we'd be talking about Vettori's batting like we do if he always had blokes ahead of him averaging 50.


G - Vettori gets selected, Horrie doesn't - STOP THERE.

Not sure I agree with your thread, is always batting under pressure because NZ top order is crap, has no quality bowler at the other end to pressure batsman, I could go on, I think you could argue till the sun comes up. IMO he is definately a better cricketer than Horrie, but I think Horrie is the best we have the moment and very unlucky.

I think a lot of posters are too young to remember a bloke called Glen Turner - NZ legendary cricketer, who made squillions of runs in country cricket, but wouldn't play Tests for quite some time. Hence I rate young Danny No. 4 in NZ cricket 1. Sir Richard 2. Glen Turner 3. Martin Crowe 4. Danny boy.
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