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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby redandblack » Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:15 am

Constance_Perm wrote:
G wrote:Im a Rooster member/suporter for over 40 years and cant share a few peoples optimism on North climbing more than 1 or 2 spots. Apart from Backwell we have recruited virtually no one apart from a few recycled hacks :oops: :oops:

Dogs will play off and unless they have a bad day in October will collect the spoils again.


Your best recruit might possibly be in the coaches box .. Having seen the difference when a previously underperforming list get's the right direction, I knda think the Roosters are in a similar boat - Not saying it will happen, but I certainly think it's a possibility.


I hope for Norwood's sake that there is no parallel with West in 2004.

Like Norwood, they came from nowhere in 2003, with a new ex-AFL player coach, performed well above expectations to make the grand final, but then lost several key players. In 2004, they started the same way, but lack of depth and insufficient recruiting saw them drop away.

I'm not saying that will happen to Norwood, but the coach can only do so much, so it's worth noting.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby fish » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:17 am

redandblack wrote:I hope for Norwood's sake that there is no parallel with West in 2004.

Like Norwood, they came from nowhere in 2003, with a new ex-AFL player coach, performed well above expectations to make the grand final, but then lost several key players. In 2004, they started the same way, but lack of depth and insufficient recruiting saw them drop away.

I'm not saying that will happen to Norwood, but the coach can only do so much, so it's worth noting.
I originally rated Bassett pretty highly but after his performances against Centrals in last years finals I'm no longer sure - I reckon he is a bit wooden and lacking in ideas - much like Neil Craig.

I had to laugh at Graham Cornes article in yesterdays paper, where he said that Bassetts coaching against Glenelg in the first final was the best display of coaching for the entire footy season! He mentioned nothing of the fact that Lairdy wiped the floor with him the following week and in the Grand Final!
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Mad Mat » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:44 am

fish wrote:
redandblack wrote:I hope for Norwood's sake that there is no parallel with West in 2004.

Like Norwood, they came from nowhere in 2003, with a new ex-AFL player coach, performed well above expectations to make the grand final, but then lost several key players. In 2004, they started the same way, but lack of depth and insufficient recruiting saw them drop away.

I'm not saying that will happen to Norwood, but the coach can only do so much, so it's worth noting.
I originally rated Bassett pretty highly but after his performances against Centrals in last years finals I'm no longer sure - I reckon he is a bit wooden and lacking in ideas - much like Neil Craig.

I had to laugh at Graham Cornes article in yesterdays paper, where he said that Bassetts coaching against Glenelg in the first final was the best display of coaching for the entire footy season! He mentioned nothing of the fact that Lairdy wiped the floor with him the following week and in the Grand Final!


Your comments are TIC aren't they? :shock:
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Catters_4eva » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:41 pm

G wrote:Im a Rooster member/suporter for over 40 years and cant share a few peoples optimism on North climbing more than 1 or 2 spots. Apart from Backwell we have recruited virtually no one apart from a few recycled hacks :oops: :oops:

Dogs will play off and unless they have a bad day in October will collect the spoils again.


Although North have recruited that well i believe that as stated prior the coach will have a huge effect on the club and the players. Also, one of the pick ups North have got i am excited to see. That being Samuel Haniford. I have seen a bit of him at Woodville South two years ago. Must say its a credit to him who was two years ago playing in a struggling Division 4 club. I believe Haniford will be good for North because he is touch and has the ability to play in many different positions.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby fish » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:48 pm

Mad Mat wrote:
fish wrote:I originally rated Bassett pretty highly but after his performances against Centrals in last years finals I'm no longer sure - I reckon he is a bit wooden and lacking in ideas - much like Neil Craig.

I had to laugh at Graham Cornes article in yesterdays paper, where he said that Bassetts coaching against Glenelg in the first final was the best display of coaching for the entire footy season! He mentioned nothing of the fact that Lairdy wiped the floor with him the following week and in the Grand Final!


Your comments are TIC aren't they? :shock:
Nope.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Grahaml » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:38 am

Mad Mat wrote:
fish wrote:
redandblack wrote:I hope for Norwood's sake that there is no parallel with West in 2004.

Like Norwood, they came from nowhere in 2003, with a new ex-AFL player coach, performed well above expectations to make the grand final, but then lost several key players. In 2004, they started the same way, but lack of depth and insufficient recruiting saw them drop away.

I'm not saying that will happen to Norwood, but the coach can only do so much, so it's worth noting.
I originally rated Bassett pretty highly but after his performances against Centrals in last years finals I'm no longer sure - I reckon he is a bit wooden and lacking in ideas - much like Neil Craig.

I had to laugh at Graham Cornes article in yesterdays paper, where he said that Bassetts coaching against Glenelg in the first final was the best display of coaching for the entire footy season! He mentioned nothing of the fact that Lairdy wiped the floor with him the following week and in the Grand Final!


Your comments are TIC aren't they? :shock:


Difference between West in 2004 and Norwood 2010 is that Norwood have a good coach. No doubt Graham Cornes was way over the top (perhaps trying to hide his disappointment) bu Bassett did pretty well. Rehn had a gun side that should have won the flag that year had they had a better bloke in charge. This year will tell us a lot about how good Bassett is though. Plenty of coaches have been able to get teams up there once lately, but few have returned. Especially with some of his core players gone now, he'll either have to change the structure or find new guys to fit into those key roles in that structure.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby G » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:13 am

Hey good luck to Haniford but I'll reserve my excitement about a mature age recruit from a bum Div 4 Amateur League side :oops: :oops:

Most people who are involved in or follow the other leagues, have an idea on how blokes like Alleway and Allan will perform.
-They both had good credentials coming in ;) ;)
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby redandblack » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:10 pm

Grahaml wrote:
Mad Mat wrote:
fish wrote:
redandblack wrote:I hope for Norwood's sake that there is no parallel with West in 2004.

Like Norwood, they came from nowhere in 2003, with a new ex-AFL player coach, performed well above expectations to make the grand final, but then lost several key players. In 2004, they started the same way, but lack of depth and insufficient recruiting saw them drop away.

I'm not saying that will happen to Norwood, but the coach can only do so much, so it's worth noting.
I originally rated Bassett pretty highly but after his performances against Centrals in last years finals I'm no longer sure - I reckon he is a bit wooden and lacking in ideas - much like Neil Craig.

I had to laugh at Graham Cornes article in yesterdays paper, where he said that Bassetts coaching against Glenelg in the first final was the best display of coaching for the entire footy season! He mentioned nothing of the fact that Lairdy wiped the floor with him the following week and in the Grand Final!


Your comments are TIC aren't they? :shock:


Difference between West in 2004 and Norwood 2010 is that Norwood have a good coach. No doubt Graham Cornes was way over the top (perhaps trying to hide his disappointment) bu Bassett did pretty well. Rehn had a gun side that should have won the flag that year had they had a better bloke in charge. This year will tell us a lot about how good Bassett is though. Plenty of coaches have been able to get teams up there once lately, but few have returned. Especially with some of his core players gone now, he'll either have to change the structure or find new guys to fit into those key roles in that structure.


With respect, nobody tipped West to do particularly well in 2003. They hardly had a gun side and certainly weren't rated to win the flag; definitely not in front of a strong Centrals side, but Rehn has to be given credit for a new game plan, good recruiting and an exciting season.

To say West should have done better with a better coach that year is only an opinion, which you're entitled to, but it's an opinion that's extremely hard to back up. After 2004, Rehn certainly dropped away and it remains to be seen what Bassett will do.

I was only pointing out the similarities.

Anway, a happy new year to you, Gl :)
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Grahaml » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:46 pm

redandblack wrote:
With respect, nobody tipped West to do particularly well in 2003. They hardly had a gun side and certainly weren't rated to win the flag; definitely not in front of a strong Centrals side, but Rehn has to be given credit for a new game plan, good recruiting and an exciting season.

To say West should have done better with a better coach that year is only an opinion, which you're entitled to, but it's an opinion that's extremely hard to back up. After 2004, Rehn certainly dropped away and it remains to be seen what Bassett will do.

I was only pointing out the similarities.

Anway, a happy new year to you, Gl :)


Rehn did a similar thing to Jarman if you ask me. Got the players, got some excitement around the place and got some results. But when it came to maximising the players with smart man management, just got left behind a bit.

Certainly not going to begrudge you remembering it as a good year, I know most dogs fans enjoyed 1996 more than 1999 despite missing out on the big prize, but it was a massive chance missed IMHO. Probably still the best side we came up against in a GF over the last 11 years IMHO.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby JK » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:15 pm

Grahaml wrote:
redandblack wrote:
With respect, nobody tipped West to do particularly well in 2003. They hardly had a gun side and certainly weren't rated to win the flag; definitely not in front of a strong Centrals side, but Rehn has to be given credit for a new game plan, good recruiting and an exciting season.

To say West should have done better with a better coach that year is only an opinion, which you're entitled to, but it's an opinion that's extremely hard to back up. After 2004, Rehn certainly dropped away and it remains to be seen what Bassett will do.

I was only pointing out the similarities.

Anway, a happy new year to you, Gl :)


Rehn did a similar thing to Jarman if you ask me. Got the players, got some excitement around the place and got some results. But when it came to maximising the players with smart man management, just got left behind a bit.

Certainly not going to begrudge you remembering it as a good year, I know most dogs fans enjoyed 1996 more than 1999 despite missing out on the big prize, but it was a massive chance missed IMHO. Probably still the best side we came up against in a GF over the last 11 years IMHO.


By the conclusion of the season (96) you guys might have been just as glum about that goal in the Prelim as us Legs fans #-o
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby The Apostle » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:20 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:By the conclusion of the season (96) you guys might have been just as glum about that goal in the Prelim as us Legs fans #-o

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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby JK » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:42 pm

No need for me to watch it mate, I remember it quite well.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby fish » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:44 pm

Grahaml wrote:
redandblack wrote:
With respect, nobody tipped West to do particularly well in 2003. They hardly had a gun side and certainly weren't rated to win the flag; definitely not in front of a strong Centrals side, but Rehn has to be given credit for a new game plan, good recruiting and an exciting season.

To say West should have done better with a better coach that year is only an opinion, which you're entitled to, but it's an opinion that's extremely hard to back up. After 2004, Rehn certainly dropped away and it remains to be seen what Bassett will do.

I was only pointing out the similarities.

Anway, a happy new year to you, Gl :)


Rehn did a similar thing to Jarman if you ask me. Got the players, got some excitement around the place and got some results. But when it came to maximising the players with smart man management, just got left behind a bit.

Certainly not going to begrudge you remembering it as a good year, I know most dogs fans enjoyed 1996 more than 1999 despite missing out on the big prize, but it was a massive chance missed IMHO. Probably still the best side we came up against in a GF over the last 11 years IMHO.
Hmmm. I would say Eagles 2006 or Glenelg 2008 were the best.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby jim5112 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:42 pm

The Apostle AK wrote:
Constance_Perm wrote:By the conclusion of the season (96) you guys might have been just as glum about that goal in the Prelim as us Legs fans #-o



That was 15 years ago. You should build a bridge.

Centrals have won 8 premierships since then. It's hard to remember things that happened before then. Especially things that are best forgotten.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby The Apostle » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:05 am

jim5112 wrote:Centrals have won 8 premierships since then.

FFS! Learn to count!
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Voice » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:51 pm

The Apostle AK wrote:
jim5112 wrote:Centrals have won 8 premierships since then.

FFS! Learn to count!

If you've only won 8, does that mean I can claim the 09 flag for Sturt! Pleeeeeease ;) :lol:
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Dog_ger » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:43 pm

If your in a GrandFinal, it's a 50/50 duel.

Luck, Chance, Determination, Opportunity, Guts, Desperation, & Weather.

I would think all of the above.

On the day, it's a 50/50 duel.

5th can beat top on their day.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby Grahaml » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:21 am

Dog_ger wrote:If your in a GrandFinal, it's a 50/50 duel.

Luck, Chance, Determination, Opportunity, Guts, Desperation, & Weather.

I would think all of the above.

On the day, it's a 50/50 duel.

5th can beat top on their day.


Stats show otherwise. The better side throughout the year wins more often than not. I'm sure spelly can pretty quickly show the better placed side at the start of the finals won GFs more, and teams winning second semi finals won more often then not. Never a sure thing, but a better team is a better team.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby robranisgod » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:12 am

Grahaml wrote:
Dog_ger wrote:If your in a GrandFinal, it's a 50/50 duel.

Luck, Chance, Determination, Opportunity, Guts, Desperation, & Weather.

I would think all of the above.

On the day, it's a 50/50 duel.

5th can beat top on their day.


Stats show otherwise. The better side throughout the year wins more often than not. I'm sure spelly can pretty quickly show the better placed side at the start of the finals won GFs more, and teams winning second semi finals won more often then not. Never a sure thing, but a better team is a better team.

Like so any sport stats, it can be a bit of a cyclical thing. In the 14 years between 1978 and 1991 only 4 minor premiers went on to win both the second semi final and Grand final although I guess a few of those minor premiers weren't necessarily the best side coming into the finals.
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Re: Will the dogs do it in 2011?

Postby bac » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:43 am

G wrote:Hey good luck to Haniford but I'll reserve my excitement about a mature age recruit from a bum Div 4 Amateur League side :oops: :oops:

Most people who are involved in or follow the other leagues, have an idea on how blokes like Alleway and Allan will perform.
-They both had good credentials coming in ;) ;)


Only talking about Jimmy Allan, he was a gun the at Werribee his last season beofre coming to North for half a season before he got injured, he would have won the Liston.

Was also good at the falcons, and was at Geelong as rookie after doing his knee in the TAC.

The guys a ball magnet, but was marked as being too small and not quick enough.

Would see be worth a place on a list such GWS or Gold Coast
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