National 2nd Tier Competiton Discussion

[Aerie]

I think it's pretty obvious there are points for and against. Good luck to North, but who the hell writes their articles on the website? Massive chips on the shoulder from whoever writes it and reads like one of those people looking to pick a fight at every opportunity. The below in reference to those clubs that turned down the offer:

"It is one thing to strong willed and principled, another to be short sighted and belligerent or at worst the laughing stock of Australian football."

Surely a sensible person can see that there are clearly pros and cons of this competition and the way it has been introduced and I would have thought a sensible person/club would be smart enough to at this stage accept whatever decision was made given the reasons put forward.

Again, good luck North, but STFU with your constant opinionated tripe dished up on your website.

[JK]

NAFC statement = I love it! Yeah, cop that! After being against their anti-OnePort position it's great to be proud of my club's position. Fair old swipe at the gang of 5 and their hidden little agendas (alleged).

Oh well, good thing we'll have 5 premiers next season as consolation

Hidden agenda's? FFS .. Can't anyone take anything for what it's worth these days?

If any of the 5 clubs thought it was in their best interests, do you really think they would have declined the invitation? Please explain the logic behind that to me, I'm all ears ...

[Hondo]

CP I read the NAFC press release as there was an attempt by the "top" clubs to give the AFL a collective bird and undermine their new national comp. That's just how I read it. How do you read it? Why did the 4 clubs do a joint press release?

I think I just like the thought that we have broken ranks with the cool kids ... even if we haven't

[JK]

CP I read the NAFC press release as there was an attempt by the "top" clubs to give the AFL a collective bird and undermine their new national comp. That's just how I read it. How do you read it? Why did the 4 clubs do a joint press release?

I think I just like the thought that we have broken ranks with the cool kids ... even if we haven't

Whilst it can, on occasion, upset some people, I dont mind the way North communicate without fear of "treading on anyone's toes" .. No different in this instance, good on them for putting it out there as they see it.

I didn't take it the way you have, although it's hard to deny there's an element of that involved .. But North themselves admitted it was beyond the financial scope of some clubs.

I just think too many people think there's other issues at play here .. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that some clubs just didn't see it in their best interests, and if they view it that way, are those clubs then wrong to have acted as they have?

At the end of the day, I couldn't give a hoot what other people think of my club and their decisions, they don't have a responsibility to other supporters or a national competition, they have a responsibility to our club and it's stakeholders and I would suggest that runs the same for all 8 other clubs.

[CK]

Regardless of my thoughts on the competition or otherwise, I would have thought that each club would have weighed up the following:

- Could participation hurt our chances of winning the premiership?

- Are we, as a club, being sufficiently financially compensated and remunerated for our participation in the new competition?

- How will our participation affect the existing sponsors, who contribute toward our club each year, in terms of exposure, the ability or otherwise to advertise their logos etc?

- Will our participation assist our club, overall, in the long term?

If the answer to more than half of these questions is negative, then that may explain the stances of any club. That is not meant, in any way, to be negative toward any club that sees that their participation will be of benefit. I understand that participation can have benefits for the SANFL and clubs, but the overall goal of winning a flag/making finals would not want to be compromised in doing so. If a club does not believe that they are at a stage of challenging for a premiership in 2011, then they could well derive enormous benefits from participating, which outweigh any of the above issues.

[hereselmo1]

How about do our members who own our club and who's interests we represent want us to enter?

[Psyber]

How about do our members who own our club and who's interests we represent want us to enter?

I think members who want the club to do something that would make a financial loss, or reduce their chances of a premiership, should be ignored - politely, but ignored.
But if it isn't going to make any difference to your club on either count...

[Barto]

I think it's pretty obvious there are points for and against. Good luck to North, but who the hell writes their articles on the website? Massive chips on the shoulder from whoever writes it and reads like one of those people looking to pick a fight at every opportunity. The below in reference to those clubs that turned down the offer:

"It is one thing to strong willed and principled, another to be short sighted and belligerent or at worst the laughing stock of Australian football."

Surely a sensible person can see that there are clearly pros and cons of this competition and the way it has been introduced and I would have thought a sensible person/club would be smart enough to at this stage accept whatever decision was made given the reasons put forward.

Again, good luck North, but STFU with your constant opinionated tripe dished up on your website.

They sound more like a forum troll than someone writing on the official club site.

[on the rails]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

[sjt]

I think it's pretty obvious there are points for and against. Good luck to North, but who the hell writes their articles on the website? Massive chips on the shoulder from whoever writes it and reads like one of those people looking to pick a fight at every opportunity. The below in reference to those clubs that turned down the offer:

"It is one thing to strong willed and principled, another to be short sighted and belligerent or at worst the laughing stock of Australian football."

Surely a sensible person can see that there are clearly pros and cons of this competition and the way it has been introduced and I would have thought a sensible person/club would be smart enough to at this stage accept whatever decision was made given the reasons put forward.

Again, good luck North, but STFU with your constant opinionated tripe dished up on your website.

They sound more like a forum troll than someone writing on the official club site.

Agreed. As a professional club it's good to let the members know why they chose to accept the invitation. Why have a shot at the other club boards though? It shows a lack of respect to other clubs. Before I would have supported North, now I hope they fall on their smart arses.

[Sojourner]

Sounds like a bit of a bastard for North Supporters, having to spend a weekend at the start of the season on the Gold Coast with all those meter maids and so on!

[once_were_warriors]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

Sorry but your head is up your ar*e

[Reddeer]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

Steady on

[Wedgie]

Oh yes! Looks like we cop the Brisbane game, my preference of the 3. Brisbane here I come, 3rd time in only a few years that I get to watch North play interstate!
These trips are awesome!

[on the rails]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

Sorry but your head is up your ar*e

Is it really - lucky I can see enough to reply to that "pearler" of a comeback!

[csbowes]

FWIW I'm disappointed that Sturt has chosen not to compete in the competition...

I don't buy this idea that Central are the BEST team outside the AFL and the SANFL is the BEST competition. Based on what? When was the last time Central defeated a team from the VFL? Can anyone really say, without a shadow of doubt, that each and every top five side here would defeat their respective finalists from the VFL and WAFL?

I'd seriously doubt it.

I'd love to see Sturt take on North Ballarat or Swan Districts, but I wouldn't be heading to the game thinking it would be a doddle and considering the rubbish Central cough up from time to time during the season, I don't see why anyone would think they would just stroll their way to the final without so much as raising a sweat.

To think otherwise means you've forgotten what the VFL was like back in the 1980's. How often did they crap on about how they were the best league with the best teams and the best players and we all vomited over here, yet they could at least point to recent performances that proved it.

Yet here we are, full of our own self importance, essentially saying to the VFL and WAFL that we're too good for them, that they're not worthy of taking the field against us...

One word... gutless.

If you think you're the best team in the land, put up or shut up.

If you think you're the best competition in the land outside the AFL, put up or shut up.

I'm sympathetic to clubs being concerned about $$$, but I think Sturt should be weighing up the possible financial loss against the opportunities they're now robbing of their own players to star in a competition that might see them drafted, that might see the club be able to obtain more sponsorship in the future and that might give their fans something to cheer about.

As another poster said, turn your back on the competition now and it may never happen, but jump in with enthusiasm and you may in fact be able to shape it into what it should be.

[goraw]

How about do our members who own our club and who's interests we represent want us to enter?

I think members who want the club to do something that would make a financial loss, or reduce their chances of a premiership, should be ignored - politely, but ignored.
But if it isn't going to make any difference to your club on either count...

hehe

[goraw]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

Sorry but your head is up your ar*e

once were warriors what part has his head up his ass?

1 north having an opinion and publically stating it?

2 the whole 8 other clubs voting no in 09 with the port merger?

3 WWTFC not coming out and saying what they think?

4 your club being the bastard child of two dead (and piss weak) parents?

[klaan]

So Aerie you don't like comments from North or any opinion hey? At least our club actually has an opinion and will, where it has to, comment publically.

Tell me what is so wrong with some recent statements on the website? Today's release in the main is well structured and factual, the original release about the Port Merger going back to late 2009 was supported by the 7 other clubs who also voted NO to the merger in Feb - including your club or have you forgotten that?

I can't recall anything put out by the WWTFC that would constitute any sort of self or independent opinion but still you lot are probably still struggling with being a bastard child of two dead parents.

Sorry but your head is up your ar*e

once were warriors what part has his head up his ass?

1 north having an opinion and publically stating it?

2 the whole 8 other clubs voting no in 09 with the port merger?

3 WWTFC not coming out and saying what they think?

4 your club being the bastard child of two dead (and piss weak) parents?

I think point 1 - specifically, not being able to spell publicly......

[smithy]

Can anyone compare the proposed competition that is up for debate on this topic to the interstate games that were played in the mid 70's - early 80's ?

I'm trying to compare, games to be played, prize money etc etc.

I reckon the lads may of played more games back then, for lesser reward and prize money.
Squads are a bit bigger now so overheads are bigger, but anyone give a bigger picture of the over all outlay maybe ?