This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

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This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby spell_check » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:45 pm

...Victoria have been charged with allegedly ball tampering:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/c ... 93336.html

Why ball tamper against the Redbacks?
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby GWW » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:56 pm

Sounds to me like a pretty small penalty for an offence such as this.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby bloods08 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:59 pm

GWW wrote:Sounds to me like a pretty small penalty for an offence such as this.


Take the match off them :lol:
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:17 pm

This is not the first time the Victorians have been involved in controvesy against South Australia over a ball issue. 3-4 seasons ago in Melbourne, the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.

The next day, the umpires walked out, dropped the ball on the ground, the Vics picked it up and threw it to someone near the fence and began tossing another ball around. A mate of mine, an SA official was there and saw it happen. The replacement ball started swinging from ball 1, wickets fell, and Victoria won the match.

Unfortunately, although my mate witnessed what occurred, he was unable to prove it happened, so therefore nothing ever came from it.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Dutchy » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:30 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:This is not the first time the Victorians have been involved in controvesy against South Australia over a ball issue. 3-4 seasons ago in Melbourne, the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.

The next day, the umpires walked out, dropped the ball on the ground, the Vics picked it up and threw it to someone near the fence and began tossing another ball around. A mate of mine, an SA official was there and saw it happen. The replacement ball started swinging from ball 1, wickets fell, and Victoria won the match.

Unfortunately, although my mate witnessed what occurred, he was unable to prove it happened, so therefore nothing ever came from it.


Find that very hard to believe
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby smithy » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:44 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.


I agree Dutchy, as soon as I read this bit I knew it wasn't true.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:06 am

Dutchy wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:This is not the first time the Victorians have been involved in controvesy against South Australia over a ball issue. 3-4 seasons ago in Melbourne, the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.

The next day, the umpires walked out, dropped the ball on the ground, the Vics picked it up and threw it to someone near the fence and began tossing another ball around. A mate of mine, an SA official was there and saw it happen. The replacement ball started swinging from ball 1, wickets fell, and Victoria won the match.

Unfortunately, although my mate witnessed what occurred, he was unable to prove it happened, so therefore nothing ever came from it.


Find that very hard to believe


That's okay, believe what you like. It happened.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:08 am

smithy wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.


I agree Dutchy, as soon as I read this bit I knew it wasn't true.


Then I suggest you do a little research. I have memory it was the match we allowed Hodge to take his wife to hospital and then resume his innings later on.

You know something? I get a little tired passing on information on this forum and being treating as if I'm talking crap. I don't know why I bother.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Media Park » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:29 am

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
smithy wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.


I agree Dutchy, as soon as I read this bit I knew it wasn't true.


Then I suggest you do a little research. I have memory it was the match we allowed Hodge to take his wife to hospital and then resume his innings later on.

You know something? I get a little tired passing on information on this forum and being treating as if I'm talking crap. I don't know why I bother.


AH, I believe the lads are taking the piss...

I mean, South Australia being in a commanding position? Seriously you can't have typed that with a straight face... :lol:
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:00 am

So your saying the Victorians deliberatly swapped balls in a first class fixture only a couple of seasons ago?

And a SA official saw it happen but did nothing?

I know our redback officials are hopeless in the main, but you seriously expect us to believe this?
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby interested observer » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:21 am

Don't see the problem..
Someone had to rough the ball up because our bats certainly can't !!!!!!
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby smithy » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:47 am

Media Park wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
smithy wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.


I agree Dutchy, as soon as I read this bit I knew it wasn't true.


Then I suggest you do a little research. I have memory it was the match we allowed Hodge to take his wife to hospital and then resume his innings later on.

You know something? I get a little tired passing on information on this forum and being treating as if I'm talking crap. I don't know why I bother.


AH, I believe the lads are taking the piss...

I mean, South Australia being in a commanding position? Seriously you can't have typed that with a straight face... :lol:

That's how it was intended AH.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby dedja » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:20 am

Media Park wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
smithy wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:the Vics bowled about 12-15 overs to SA before stumps and weren't able to get a break through. The ball wasn't swinging, the opening batsmen were doing it easy, and SA were in a commanding position overnight.


I agree Dutchy, as soon as I read this bit I knew it wasn't true.


Then I suggest you do a little research. I have memory it was the match we allowed Hodge to take his wife to hospital and then resume his innings later on.

You know something? I get a little tired passing on information on this forum and being treating as if I'm talking crap. I don't know why I bother.


AH, I believe the lads are taking the piss...

I mean, South Australia being in a commanding position? Seriously you can't have typed that with a straight face... :lol:


LOL ... :lol:

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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby OnSong » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:29 pm

Generous gesture from Victoria ends in ball-tampering fiasco

Victoria face a lengthy ball tampering hearing in front of the Cricket Australia board after lending the South Australian team the match ball for a practice session.
"We saw the trouble the Redback lads had trying to hit it, so we put it in a stocking and hung it from (former coach) Mark Sorrell's veranda to let the lads have a hit, you know, get a sense of what it feels like to lay wood on leather," Bushrangers captain Cameron White said.
The Victorian's also provided fast bowler Clint McKay to gently swing the ball in a stocking to the SA batsmen.
"He really dropped it down an excellent line all night," Redback Aaron O'Brien said.
"We all had a go, but that ball in a stocking can dart around a bit."
The main damage was caused to the ball when opening batsman Tom Cooper latched on to three straight drives in a row, repeatedly sending the ball flying into Sorrell's corrugated iron roof.
"Three hits in a row, I think that's a State record," a chuffed Cooper said.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:14 pm

CA presser:

Finch fined 50% of match fee for changing the condition of ball

Cricket Australia today advises that Victorian Bushranger Aaron Finch has been fined 50% of his match fee for changing the condition of the ball during the Weet-Bix Sheffield Shield match against South Australia at the Adelaide Oval that finished yesterday.

At the hearing today, Finch made a statement to Cricket Australia (CA) Code of Behaviour Commissioner Judge David Smith indicating that he was most likely responsible for the damage to the ball. The initial level one charge against the Victorian team was withdrawn and changed to a level two offence against Finch under rule 2.7 of the CA Code of Behaviour relating to an individual ‘changing the condition of the ball in breach of law 42.3’.

The umpires found markings on the ball after play on day two (Saturday) and Victoria received an immediate five-run penalty as a result according to law 42.3.
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Re: This was why a 5 run penalty was awarded...

Postby Bulls forever » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:51 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:CA presser:

Finch fined 50% of match fee for changing the condition of ball

Cricket Australia today advises that Victorian Bushranger Aaron Finch has been fined 50% of his match fee for changing the condition of the ball during the Weet-Bix Sheffield Shield match against South Australia at the Adelaide Oval that finished yesterday.

At the hearing today, Finch made a statement to Cricket Australia (CA) Code of Behaviour Commissioner Judge David Smith indicating that he was most likely responsible for the damage to the ball. The initial level one charge against the Victorian team was withdrawn and changed to a level two offence against Finch under rule 2.7 of the CA Code of Behaviour relating to an individual ‘changing the condition of the ball in breach of law 42.3’.

The umpires found markings on the ball after play on day two (Saturday) and Victoria received an immediate five-run penalty as a result according to law 42.3.


I would have thought the defence of "the ball hitting the stumps regularly" would have provided a very safe out for the Vics.
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