Port Adelaide Reunification Exceeds Expectations!

[CUTTERMAN]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

That's not what the business plan said when you wanted to get the 2nd license, it was all rosey back then "One Club" that's how you wanted it then, how you have it now and how PAFC has always worked. Us and them! Adelaide has made reasonable profits nearly every year with the same stadium deal as Port. Adelaide has also returned a shit load more to the SANFL clubs each year. So historically speaking it's not the stadium or the SANFL that's at fault, it's that PAFC don't have enough members and can't draw a decent crowd. For every accusing finger you guys point at other people there's always 3 pointing back at you. Stop making excuses!

[Voice]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

Only because they built the Westpac Centre otherwise they would have. What did you build this year as to why you can't post a profit?

[Dutchy]

Not sure how anyone can defend the PAFC losing over $6m in the last 3 years..

[beenreal]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

That's not what the business plan said when you wanted to get the 2nd license, it was all rosey back then "One Club" that's how you wanted it then, how you have it now and how PAFC has always worked. Us and them! Adelaide has made reasonable profits nearly every year with the same stadium deal as Port. Adelaide has also returned a **** load more to the SANFL clubs each year. So historically speaking it's not the stadium or the SANFL that's at fault, it's that PAFC don't have enough members and can't draw a decent crowd. For every accusing finger you guys point at other people there's always 3 pointing back at you. Stop making excuses!

Bulldust! The Corporation made a meagre profit last year, $90K I believe, which was marginally up on the previous. Compare that to West Coast on the back of an ordinary season and still posted $4M with their Stadium deal.

And those 3 fingers constantly pointed at Port Adelaide's "same stadium deal" always conveniently overlook the 7 year head start of the AFC, allowing them to capture 70% of the market.

But back to the topic at hand. As predicted, it's all turning around now.

[X Runna]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

That's not what the business plan said when you wanted to get the 2nd license, it was all rosey back then "One Club" that's how you wanted it then, how you have it now and how PAFC has always worked. Us and them! Adelaide has made reasonable profits nearly every year with the same stadium deal as Port. Adelaide has also returned a **** load more to the SANFL clubs each year. So historically speaking it's not the stadium or the SANFL that's at fault, it's that PAFC don't have enough members and can't draw a decent crowd. For every accusing finger you guys point at other people there's always 3 pointing back at you. Stop making excuses!

Should have been the 1st licence in the 1st place as you well know.............

[Voice]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

That's not what the business plan said when you wanted to get the 2nd license, it was all rosey back then "One Club" that's how you wanted it then, how you have it now and how PAFC has always worked. Us and them! Adelaide has made reasonable profits nearly every year with the same stadium deal as Port. Adelaide has also returned a **** load more to the SANFL clubs each year. So historically speaking it's not the stadium or the SANFL that's at fault, it's that PAFC don't have enough members and can't draw a decent crowd. For every accusing finger you guys point at other people there's always 3 pointing back at you. Stop making excuses!

Should have been the 1st licence in the 1st place as you well know.............

Shoulda, coulda, woulda but didn't. Port Magpies shoulda disappeared when the Puffs eventually got in if they had their way. Unfortunately they didn't though.

[JK]

The SANFL find out who barracks for Port and barricades their front doors on game day so they cant attend. Nefarious stuff.

They must do the same for 10,000 Crows supporters as well.

But seriously, if the "Team for ALL South Australians" can't post a profit, what hope does a single club like Port Adelaide have?

That's not what the business plan said when you wanted to get the 2nd license, it was all rosey back then "One Club" that's how you wanted it then, how you have it now and how PAFC has always worked. Us and them! Adelaide has made reasonable profits nearly every year with the same stadium deal as Port. Adelaide has also returned a **** load more to the SANFL clubs each year. So historically speaking it's not the stadium or the SANFL that's at fault, it's that PAFC don't have enough members and can't draw a decent crowd. For every accusing finger you guys point at other people there's always 3 pointing back at you. Stop making excuses!

Should have been the 1st licence in the 1st place as you well know.............

Obviously we'll never know, but IMHO (yes just my opinion) .. If you guys reckon you went in when the Crows did (and the SANFL was reasonably popular) and would have had just as much support, I reckon that's well off the mark.

[beenreal]

I don't reckon it's been stated that Port Adelaide would have generated equal support and I don't believe it anyway. But the market share would certainly be much closer than the current 70-30% split.

But back on topic, Membership is up, Financial forecasting is on the improve, and all is looking rosy.

[Wedgie]

Not sure how anyone can defend the PAFC losing over $6m in the last 3 years..

They don't defend it, they just blame others.

[beenreal]

Not sure how anyone can defend the PAFC losing over $6m in the last 3 years..

They don't defend it, they just blame others.

Point the finger squarely at the perpetrators of our malaise? You betcha!

There is no "I" in blame.

[Wedgie]

See

[CUTTERMAN]

Im not saying that the stadium deal doesnt need to be reworked, everyone agrees on that. Still, Adelaide have managed for many years to run a very healthy profit and returns to the SANFL clubs, Port never have generated a decent return to the SANFL clubs bar one or two years, excuses aside, if one club can and the other can't it must come down to the running of the club, the lack of members and the lack of supporters turning up to the games. So have a look at why your supporters don't go to your games and why you can't generate a better membership base.
Hopefully this "one club" malarkey will work for you, in all honesty, after the first few years and the warm heart felt glow is waning, I don't think it will change the clubs viability, crowds or membership base too much. I would think the main problem is that Ports heartland is one of the lowest socio-economic areas of all of the AFL.
Maybe a move to AO will help but a full redevelopment there is looking a bit shaky at the moment so that's not certain anyway.
As I said before, I'll reserve my judgement of this for five years.

[CUTTERMAN]

If you had got the first license I think you wouldve struggled even more than what you have, I would think that the whole non Port football public in SA would have turned their backs on you and you would've been a failure from the start. At least with the second license you provided an option to Adelaide, not much if one but an option all the same.

[beenreal]

Im not saying that the stadium deal doesnt need to be reworked, everyone agrees on that. Still, Adelaide have managed for many years to run a very healthy profit and returns to the SANFL clubs, Port never have generated a decent return to the SANFL clubs bar one or two years, excuses aside, if one club can and the other can't it must come down to the running of the club, the lack of members and the lack of supporters turning up to the games. So have a look at why your supporters don't go to your games and why you can't generate a better membership base.
Hopefully this "one club" malarkey will work for you, in all honesty, after the first few years and the warm heart felt glow is waning, I don't think it will change the clubs viability, crowds or membership base too much. I would think the main problem is that Ports heartland is one of the lowest socio-economic areas of all of the AFL.
Maybe a move to AO will help but a full redevelopment there is looking a bit shaky at the moment so that's not certain anyway.
As I said before, I'll reserve my judgement of this for five years.

I honestly don't see how you can write that with a straight face. The AFC is a monolith drawing from an 8 club supporter base and a 7 year head start.

And the football landscape has changed in the last 14 years. Even Adelaide's technical "sellouts" don't fill the stadium. Throwing in "live against the gate" telecasts and some REALLY ordinary weather last season only exacerbates the problem for Port.

I've written before, Geelong can draw 25,000 to Kardinia Park and make $500K out of it. The same crowd at a Port game costs the club $150K.

[dedja]

Sorry to drag up old ground but let's try to recount what Port's business plan was when it entered the AFL shall we?

Wasn't it based on attendances over 30,000? Now they are barely hitting 20,000.

One also wonders how bad Port's financial situation would be like without all the dough Allan Scott pumped into the club.

Anyway, just throwing it out there ...

[Booney]

Sorry to drag up old ground but let's try to recount what Port's business plan was when it entered the AFL shall we?

Wasn't it based on attendances over 30,000? Now they are barely hitting 20,000.

One also wonders how bad Port's financial situation would be like without all the dough Allan Scott pumped into the club.

Anyway, just throwing it out there ...

Sure, but a business plan is just that, a plan, not a guaruntee. During 02-04 we had average crowds in the low 30k's and I feel a turn around on field in the next 2 years will see the numbers back in their seats. This will alleviate some of the issues and as mentioned in this thread the OneClub initiative appears to have been positive from the outset.

As for bringing up Allan Scott, well, many clubs over the years have benefited from one or more wealthy individuals and Im sure it will happen in the future to many clubs. Bottom line is Scott was a huge financial supporter of the club and his company continues to be just that. Without him we may have struggled further or we may not have.....who knows.

[sjt]

... at least, that should be the headline.

We've been telling all you non-believers for months that this was the answer, but you blindly refused to accept it.

The original proposal was predicted to conservatively add $1.9M to the PAFC bottom line. Here's a $1.8M injection without even considering Gordon Pickard.

Read it for yourselves http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/n ... fault.aspx and in case you miss it http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8183614

With more good news to emanate from Alberton, I'm certain you'll all be lining up to offer a hearty congratulations.

Maybe "been real" the headline should read "Off to a good start"?
I'm not sure if it has exceeded expectations as yet. If they have definitively added over $1.9million to their bottom line for each of the next three years, then your headline maybe appropriate.
The potential $1.8million is over 3 years, not each year. $950,000 of which will be accounted for in 2011, leaving $425,000 available for both 2012 and 2013. If G Pikard is contributing in excess of $1.5million in these years (or they get funds from elsewhere), then they may exceed expectations.
But a good start.

[Barto]

I've written before, Geelong can draw 25,000 to Kardinia Park and make $500K out of it. The same crowd at a Port game costs the club $150K.

The capacity of Kardinia Park is 27000, so this is not surprising at all. It's an invalid comparison.

[dedja]

Sorry to drag up old ground but let's try to recount what Port's business plan was when it entered the AFL shall we?

Wasn't it based on attendances over 30,000? Now they are barely hitting 20,000.

One also wonders how bad Port's financial situation would be like without all the dough Allan Scott pumped into the club.

Anyway, just throwing it out there ...

Sure, but a business plan is just that, a plan, not a guaruntee. During 02-04 we had average crowds in the low 30k's and I feel a turn around on field in the next 2 years will see the numbers back in their seats. This will alleviate some of the issues and as mentioned in this thread the OneClub initiative appears to have been positive from the outset.

As for bringing up Allan Scott, well, many clubs over the years have benefited from one or more wealthy individuals and Im sure it will happen in the future to many clubs. Bottom line is Scott was a huge financial supporter of the club and his company continues to be just that. Without him we may have struggled further or we may not have.....who knows.

Of course, but what Port need is a sustainable future. The trick is how to achieve that.

If the proposed Adelaide Oval agreement supports sustainability then great, but it should also be recognised that average attendances in the low 20K mark is not going to cut it. The days of 30K+ are over, but if they can land around 25-28K then they have a chance.

The Allan Scott reference wasn't meant to be a cheap shot, just that financial kickers like him should be regarded as cream on the top not the staple diet.

[Wedgie]

I've written before, Geelong can draw 25,000 to Kardinia Park and make $500K out of it. The same crowd at a Port game costs the club $150K.

The capacity of Kardinia Park is 27000, so this is not surprising at all. It's an invalid comparison.

Its probably more invalid because of the fact the Cats have pumped tens of millions of dollars into the place over the years.
I'm sure if the Power gave the SANFL 100 million dollars to do Footy Pk up as opposed to relying on charity they'd get cheaper rent. Might also help if they brought 1.2 million people through the gates as opposed to less than half of that too.