National 2nd Tier Competiton Discussion

[CENTURION]

Not sure why its automatically assumed that Central, Norwood, Eagles and Glenelg are going to be top sides in 2011? Bar Central the other three are all starting out having lost a number of players from their 2010 lists and have plenty of work to do to keep it ticking over.

BORING!!

[Dutchy]

Personally I think different clubs are at different stages.

I hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way, but South, Westies and North are experiencing some of the longest premiership droughts currently .. The opportunity to win silverware of any sort is perhaps the biggest driving force, along with the exposure they would receive in taking it out (or possibly even without winning the whole thing) .. You also have two of the 3 most financial clubs among that group, so for them the financial aspect probably isn't of concern.

For the Magpies, well they are one Port now and have healthy numbers of supporters all across the country .. They are the biggest footy brand name to have emanated from this state and they probably have a lot of dormant supporters that could be stirred by this.

All 4 of those clubs start with the same wins and losses on the board in the 2011 SANFL season, so it doesn't suggest they think they can't win a premiership at all, thats nonsense.

The top 5 clubs of last season perhaps feel they aren't far away and have their focus set on just the one goal, the one they deem most important, and there's nothing wrong with that either.

I think people read too much into clubs decisions to participate or not.

Norwood have declined and I support my club's decision, but I'll also support whichever SA clubs have a crack at it.

Well said CP

[Hopeful Jelly]

Why did 4 clubs put out a joint press release, and Glenelg put their own one out?

Notwithstanding, I think the Bays make some fair points to their supporters.

I would suggest that the reasons for Glenelg declining the invitation were somewhat different to the other four clubs.

And what would you suggest those reasons are?

Reading between the lines:

1. Firstly, we did not earn the right to participate on our own merit. We
finished fourth in the 2010 SANFL Premiership (the top 3 SANFL clubs
qualified for an initial invitation).
They feel that they don't deserve to be in a Champions league by finishing 4th. The top 3 teams "deserve" to be there.

2. Secondly, we have just completed a comprehensive football review and are
clearly committed to doing whatever it takes to win our next SANFL
Premiership. Our Club's firm view, following consultation with all internal
stakeholders including our highly respected medical team, is that
participating in this proposed 2011 ‘Champions League’ may compromise the
plans we have in place to challenge for the 2011 SANFL Premiership.
After 3 failed major rounds where Glenelg were a big contender for the premiership, this year is premiership-or-bust. Sure the other four teams also have a primary focus on the premiership, but I feel that even in its current format of no byes and playing up to 4 extra games per season, they would have been more likely to accept the invitation if there was a better financial reward.

[Jim05]

Cant wait to see these clubs sook when one of their stars gets injured in this micky mouse comp and are out for season. Who is going to wear the medical expenses?

[Reddeer]

I think many of you have missed the point.
It is an insult to offer the WINNER of the competition $40,000.
Why would you bother ? Why would you risk injury and forgo valuable rest time for players for such a pathetic prize ?

Dont insult our League !!!!!!!!
I am disgusted the SANFL agreed to support the concept and did not represent the interests of its clubs. Puppets !

Exactly

[redandblack]

I think many of you have missed the point.
It is an insult to offer the WINNER of the competition $40,000.
Why would you bother ? Why would you risk injury and forgo valuable rest time for players for such a pathetic prize ?

Dont insult our League !!!!!!!!
I am disgusted the SANFL agreed to support the concept and did not represent the interests of its clubs. Puppets !

Exactly

Nonsense. The clubs have made their own decisions.

[SDK]

AGAIN you miss the point !
The xxxxing SANFL should have rejected the offer as an insult ......sent it back to their puppet masters and told them to submit an offer that is not a joke . Not simply yes sir, yes sir three bags full sir !

[redandblack]

Move on to the next conspiracy theory.

[Mr Beefy]

How much cash is the SANFL premiership worth?

[CUTTERMAN]

Move on to the next conspiracy theory.

I don't think SDK is necessarily having a go at West, more so at the SANFL in not standing up for the interests of their clubs involved and the terms of participation in the comp. The issues of sponsorship, injury cover, costs involved and prize money are all major concerns for our clubs, that some of these have not been explained is a disgrace and unprofessional on behalf of the AFL. I'm also surprised that the SANFL is ok with this. I'm starting to think that the clubs need to have a very good look at the running of the SANFL and the direction it's headed in. I've got no problem with Port, South or West participating.
I can appreciate just how hard it is for SANFL clubs to get and keep major sponsors, that they may be forced to dump these sponsors for the desires of the AFL is plain unreasonable. After so many years of Holden sponsoring Centrals they are dumped from the national spotlight because Hyundai or Toyota are major sponsors of the comp? Please!

[Wedgie]

Money might be a major issue with some clubs but with others it isn't.
And without money being an issue the promotion of the club and league comes to the forefront.

Hopefully the North Adelaide Roosters will get to battle the North Ballarat Roosters and we can have a legal form of a cock fight!

[redandblack]

For years on this forum, posters have floated the idea of a national comp for the SANFL, WAFL, etc.

For years on this forum, posters have bemoaned the lack of TV coverage and publicity for the SANFL.

Now the AFL float the idea of a national comp, covered on (pay) TV.

Absolute disgrace! Sellout! Puppets! Not enough prizemoney!

If I was a sponsor, my name will still be on the guernsey to a national audience as an extra I wouldn't have otherwise had.

I'm sure the SANFL lobbied for further concessions, but the knockers just presume they didn't, without knowing the facts.

We all know the AFL is a football monopoly and none of us trust it when it comes to the SANFL, but the reality is that it is a very, very, powerful body and no-one on here has ever satisfactorily explained just how the SANFL is supposed to dictate to the AFL on these matters (and keep the million dollars a year the AFl give them).

As for the SANFL Commission, most posters probably wouldn't know who was on it without looking it up. Almost all the Commissioners are dyed-in-the-wool SANFL people.

As for it affecting premiership chances, that remains to be seen, but it's nonsense to suggest any of the clubs participating aren't going flat out to go top.

My guess is that West, Port and probably North will participate.

Get over it and move on to the next whinge.

[Dogwatcher]

How much cash is the SANFL premiership worth?

Don't quote me but I think it was $20k

[am Bays]

How much cash is the SANFL premiership worth?

Don't quote me but I think it was $20k

clubs don't think about the prize money when it comes to the SANFL flag.....

[cripple]

Move on to the next conspiracy theory.

I don't think SDK is necessarily having a go at West, more so at the SANFL in not standing up for the interests of their clubs involved and the terms of participation in the comp. The issues of sponsorship, injury cover, costs involved and prize money are all major concerns for our clubs, that some of these have not been explained is a disgrace and unprofessional on behalf of the AFL. I'm also surprised that the SANFL is ok with this. I'm starting to think that the clubs need to have a very good look at the running of the SANFL and the direction it's headed in. I've got no problem with Port, South or West participating.
I can appreciate just how hard it is for SANFL clubs to get and keep major sponsors, that they may be forced to dump these sponsors for the desires of the AFL is plain unreasonable. After so many years of Holden sponsoring Centrals they are dumped from the national spotlight because Hyundai or Toyota are major sponsors of the comp? Please!

Stop using the Holden and centrals example. Toyota sponsors the AFL, ford= geelong, north= mazda, collingwood= lexus(toyota i know but till diluting the brand). Not helping the argument

[Dogwatcher]

How much cash is the SANFL premiership worth?

Don't quote me but I think it was $20k

clubs don't think about the prize money when it comes to the SANFL flag.....

Very true.

[JK]

How much cash is the SANFL premiership worth?

Don't quote me but I think it was $20k

clubs don't think about the prize money when it comes to the SANFL flag.....

Very true.

Wonder if the same attitude would apply to a 2nd tier national comp if it included only the premiers from involved regions? (would make for a shorter comp too)

[Dutchy]

Stop using the Holden and centrals example. Toyota sponsors the AFL, ford= geelong, north= mazda, collingwood= lexus(toyota i know but till diluting the brand). Not helping the argument

The car sponsorship debate is an interesting one, Geelong and the Roos have one of the longest standing major sponsorships in Ford and Mazda, well before Toyota began sponsoring the AFL therefore Toyota knew the playing field before coming in. Be interesting how far Holden would get if they wanted to sponsor an AFL team now.

[tipper]

Move on to the next conspiracy theory.

I don't think SDK is necessarily having a go at West, more so at the SANFL in not standing up for the interests of their clubs involved and the terms of participation in the comp. The issues of sponsorship, injury cover, costs involved and prize money are all major concerns for our clubs, that some of these have not been explained is a disgrace and unprofessional on behalf of the AFL. I'm also surprised that the SANFL is ok with this. I'm starting to think that the clubs need to have a very good look at the running of the SANFL and the direction it's headed in. I've got no problem with Port, South or West participating.
I can appreciate just how hard it is for SANFL clubs to get and keep major sponsors, that they may be forced to dump these sponsors for the desires of the AFL is plain unreasonable. After so many years of Holden sponsoring Centrals they are dumped from the national spotlight because Hyundai or Toyota are major sponsors of the comp? Please!

Stop using the Holden and centrals example. Toyota sponsors the AFL, ford= geelong, north= mazda, collingwood= lexus(toyota i know but till diluting the brand). Not helping the argument

All of those particular sponsorships you have mentioned pre date the toyota sponsorship of the afl as a whole dont they? if for example the crows next year wanted to get sponsorship from holdens would it be allowed?

it is a bit like Coopers sponsorship of Norwood. it is allowed cos it pre dates the west end sponsorship of the SANFL. North wernt allowed to also get coopers sponsorship this year because it clashed with the league sponsorship.

with teams partaking in a completely new competition, the Holden sponsorship of Centrals (as one example) or the Coopers sponsorship of Norwood (as another) may not be allowed. the concersn may be unfounded but i would be curious to find out the answer BEFORE commiting.

i would also be interested to find out proposed designs for these "clean skin" guernseys. who designs them? i believe they are provided by the afl, are they planning for them to be basically the same as sides existing strip? i dont know if i could go see north play in anything other than the red and white, and preferrably either the red with white v, or the candy stripe, not the dogs breakfast of an away strip we have at present. once again my concerns could be unfounded, but they also may not.

who would get the profits of any merchandise sales of these new designs. i assume the AFL would take a slice, but is there anything in it for the clubs involved?

i am looking forward to the competition and if north are involved i will be very keen to go see them play, but some of the above concerns may also have contributed to sides declining participation. if the above questions were asked, and couldnt be answered i could understand the reluctance. in a year, after things have been run, the unknowns will hae been answered, maybe to the reluctant clubs satisfaction, maybe not.only time will tell.

[cripple]

Stop using the Holden and centrals example. Toyota sponsors the AFL, ford= geelong, north= mazda, collingwood= lexus(toyota i know but till diluting the brand). Not helping the argument

The car sponsorship debate is an interesting one, Geelong and the Roos have one of the longest standing major sponsorships in Ford and Mazda, well before Toyota began sponsoring the AFL therefore Toyota knew the playing field before coming in. Be interesting how far Holden would get if they wanted to sponsor an AFL team now.

If thats the case with those two, then wouldn't the same apply to centrals and their longstanding deal with Holden. Even the AFL couldn't change the rules for the SANFL on that one surely???