APPS

[Footy Smart]

Question was posed to the SAAFL office yesterday and they did not know the answer.

With D1 - D3 players now worth 3pts are the players you recruited in 2010 from other D1 - D3 clubs are they still 1pt under the old system or will they now carry the 3pts less 1pt for 2011.

If we follow the new system most clubs could be in trouble very quickly.

I wonder how many delegates at the meeting Monday night knew how many pts they were on and who their recruiting committees are talking to and have commitments from.

I would say less than 1/4 of the delegates in the room would know.

We have dug our selves a big whole now and the standard of the league will drop as a result of it.

The SAAFL wasn't broken so why try and fix it????????????????

Did you expect a response on the spot? i would think that the CFB has some say in the answer, similar to the issue experienced with the GSFL with them pulling rank on them re: SAAFL players being 0 points (check the GSFL board). I think and answer will be provided soon enough to your question 4th

Its a clubs responsibility to know, im sure any club who thinks they would have been close to the 15 points would have done the sums. So your less than a 1/4 estimation is probably correct however it wouldn’t effect well over 3/4 of the delegates/clubs.

SAAFL wasn’t necessary broken however needed to adapt with the times.....

like i said before, don’t be afraid of change!

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Not afraid of change.

As I have said lets do it right. Having spoken to several D1 & D2 clubs the coaches did not know about the change proposal of points and are quote livid. If you check correspondence the change in points was only suggested at the Nov meeting, a bit late to change direction as most clubs would have done thier recruiting.

The league should have known the answer to that question. I can see the office getting bombarded with questions on the matter and others and as of now they don't know the answers.

We are still finding very grey areas in Appendix 4 and no one can give a definative answer.

This will pose a lot of ugly problems when the season starts and yet we do not know what the penalities are for breaches or is it a warning only at this stage so we can settle into it.

[OnSong]

I reckon the league might be in charge of setting the penalties if they wish.
But from what I understand, if you're in breach of your points limit, you forfeit the game.

[Footy Smart]

You can pick Policy to pieces whatever the topic and pose as many hypothetical’s as you like. It aint gonna change anything!

The clubs i have spoken to are fine with it. Some may have to tinker with their lists a little bit, but its a fairly minor one off inconvenience to the majority..... Obviously its of great inconvenience to your club 4th?

[Footy Smart]

I reckon the league might be in charge of setting the penalties if they wish.
But from what I understand, if you're in breach of your points limit, you forfeit the game.

Just like having to many people on the field at one time, you forfieit your score

that would be the logical penalty, as basically you are cheating!

[Mr Beefy]

Not afraid of change.

As I have said lets do it right. Having spoken to several D1 & D2 clubs the coaches did not know about the change proposal of points and are quote livid. If you check correspondence the change in points was only suggested at the Nov meeting, a bit late to change direction as most clubs would have done thier recruiting.

The league should have known the answer to that question. I can see the office getting bombarded with questions on the matter and others and as of now they don't know the answers.

We are still finding very grey areas in Appendix 4 and no one can give a definative answer.

This will pose a lot of ugly problems when the season starts and yet we do not know what the penalities are for breaches or is it a warning only at this stage so we can settle into it.

Maybe most clubs have done their recruiting and are safely under the cap.
In fairness to the league, I dont think they were expecting the clubs to vote for the 3-2 points system. I think they were expecting the points to be 1 point for internal transfers. You can blame the clubs who voted against adopting the 1 point internal transfers more than anyone else.

[OnSong]

I reckon the league might be in charge of setting the penalties if they wish.
But from what I understand, if you're in breach of your points limit, you forfeit the game.

Just like having to many people on the field at one time, you forfieit your score

that would be the logical penalty, as basically you are cheating!

I would say you forfeit the game too. Too many people on the field can be rectified that match, too many points in a team can't once a team sheet is handed in.
Something we did at my previous club was have a magnet for each senior player with their points value next to their name for the magnet board.
That way it was easier to manage how many points were in your selected team and minimised stuff ups.

What this system will do is encourage clubs to focus even more on their juniors and recruit more club people, more so than money-grabbing contractors.
Once clubs adjust, I can see it being very effective across the state.

[OnSong]

Media Release from yesterday:

SA COMMUNITY FOOTBALL APPROVED PLAYER POINTS SYSTEM

Twenty-one community football leagues will adopt the Approved Player Points System (APPS) for the 2011 season, including the largest league in the state, the SA Amateur Football League.

This follows a trial period by some Leagues over the past two seasons.

The APPS is a points rating that encourages community clubs to develop local talent and control the movement of players between clubs.

Each club’s A-grade team will be allocated a maximum of 15 points with which to recruit new players.

This will exclude any players returning to a club for which they had previously played at least 25 games or returning to their home club from the SANFL.

All non-local players recruited and registered after July 21, 2009, will be given a rating between 1 and 5 points depending on the standard of the competition from which they were originally recruited (AFL, SANFL, Community Football).

The Leagues adopting the APPS in 2011 are:

· Adelaide Plains Football League
· Eastern Eyre Football League
· Great Southern Football League
· Kowree Naracoorte Tatiara Football League
· Mid South Eastern Football League
· Northern Areas Football League
· Port Lincoln Football League
· River Murray Football League
· Southern Football League
· Western Border Football League
· Yorke Peninsula Football League
· Barossa Light & Gawler Football League
· Great Flinders Football League
· Hills Football League
· Mallee Football League
· Mid West Football League
· North Eastern Football League
· Riverland Football League
· South Australian Amateur Football League
· Spencer Gulf Football League
· Whyalla Football League

Community Football General Manager Glen Rosser said the system would lend a greater focus to developing South Australian footballers.

“Season 2011 will see a majority of Leagues operating on a uniform points system for the first time in a united effort to grow and foster local talent,” Mr Rosser said.

“The system was trialled by several Leagues in 2010 with positive feedback, which found to be a fair way of distributing players in South Australia.”

[OnSong]

Could this thread be moved to the Regional Football board? I think the discussion encompasses more than just the SAAFL

[FOURTH ESTATE]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

[Footy Smart]

I reckon the league might be in charge of setting the penalties if they wish.
But from what I understand, if you're in breach of your points limit, you forfeit the game.

Just like having to many people on the field at one time, you forfieit your score

that would be the logical penalty, as basically you are cheating!

I would say you forfeit the game too. Too many people on the field can be rectified that match, too many points in a team can't once a team sheet is handed in.
Something we did at my previous club was have a magnet for each senior player with their points value next to their name for the magnet board.
That way it was easier to manage how many points were in your selected team and minimised stuff ups.

What this system will do is encourage clubs to focus even more on their juniors and recruit more club people, more so than money-grabbing contractors.Once clubs adjust, I can see it being very effective across the state.

Precisely the point as to why this system has been bought in.

There are more and more ' money grabbing contractors' and more cashed up clubs. The beliefs and morals of many players have changed as a new generation comes into senior ranks.... unfortunately money talks these days.

[OnSong]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

[OnSong]

“Season 2011 will see a majority of Leagues operating on a uniform points system for the first time in a united effort to grow and foster local talent,”

I think this sums it up nicely.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

Quite simply if you had recuited the following

3 3pt players in 2010 = 9pts
6 1pt players in 2010 = 6pts (SAAFL)

total 15 pts no problems

in 2011

3 3pt players now equal 6pts
6 1pt players now equal 0pts (SAAFL)

total now 6pts

But if those 6 1pt players now become 3pt players reducing to 2pt players in 2011 they now become 12pts you go up to 18pts through no fault of your own.

In this scenario most clubs would have been at 6pts no problems with 9pts to play with now they could be over before they start.

The answer to the question needs to made quickly as I have said most clubs have done their recruiting all ready on the basis of 1pt for SAAFL players

[Mr Beefy]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

Quite simply if you had recuited the following

3 3pt players in 2010 = 9pts
6 1pt players in 2010 = 6pts (SAAFL)

total 15 pts no problems

in 2011

3 3pt players now equal 6pts
6 1pt players now equal 0pts (SAAFL)

total now 6pts

But if those 6 1pt players now become 3pt players reducing to 2pt players in 2011 they now become 12pts you go up to 18pts through no fault of your own.

In this scenario most clubs would have been at 6pts no problems with 9pts to play with now they could be over before they start.

The answer to the question needs to made quickly as I have said most clubs have done their recruiting all ready on the basis of 1pt for SAAFL players

The latest newsletter (today) says that internal SAAFL players recruited in 2010 attracted 1 point (0 in 2011)

[The Hound]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

Quite simply if you had recuited the following

3 3pt players in 2010 = 9pts
6 1pt players in 2010 = 6pts (SAAFL)

total 15 pts no problems

in 2011

3 3pt players now equal 6pts
6 1pt players now equal 0pts (SAAFL)

total now 6pts

But if those 6 1pt players now become 3pt players reducing to 2pt players in 2011 they now become 12pts you go up to 18pts through no fault of your own.

In this scenario most clubs would have been at 6pts no problems with 9pts to play with now they could be over before they start.

The answer to the question needs to made quickly as I have said most clubs have done their recruiting all ready on the basis of 1pt for SAAFL players

How many recruits does a club need to be successful - 9? seems excessive to me, just under half a team, obviously the juniors/ junior system is no good? Good clubs have successful juniors

[7-Dog]

Where I see the Grey area of this is:

AFL is 5pt, yeah not much recruiting here but I'll throw some scenarios:
Jared Rivers (former Southie), Wade Thompson (played for defunct Quorn Wolves), Roger James/Wanganeen/Burgoyne & Aaron Fiora.

In my opinion, not taking anything away from any of theses guys, but I don't see how they are all in the same boat.

I then see the same flowing affect for 4pts for SANFL.

Onsong mentioned above about playing 25 games for your club then going back after a stint in the SANFL. What about kids moving to Adelaide for school, playing Amateurs & now heading home. But they haven't played 25 games of senior footy?

What about workers who are in a job that require constant moving (Police etc.)

What about a father/son, family rule?

[nuggety goodness]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

Quite simply if you had recuited the following

3 3pt players in 2010 = 9pts
6 1pt players in 2010 = 6pts (SAAFL)

total 15 pts no problems

in 2011

3 3pt players now equal 6pts
6 1pt players now equal 0pts (SAAFL)

total now 6pts

But if those 6 1pt players now become 3pt players reducing to 2pt players in 2011 they now become 12pts you go up to 18pts through no fault of your own.

In this scenario most clubs would have been at 6pts no problems with 9pts to play with now they could be over before they start.

The answer to the question needs to made quickly as I have said most clubs have done their recruiting all ready on the basis of 1pt for SAAFL players

FE, what clubs have done this? apart from your own obviously?!?

considering you assumed the 1pt for internal transfers was going to be passed by the other teams, i have a feeling it's your own fault and you'll have to cop it sweet...

[zedman]

The question still remains what about 2010 players

3pts or 1pt as of the new rule this is where clubs will be in trouble.
As they recuited in good faith of 1pt for SAAFL players

Recruiting "in good faith" sounds more like a risky gamble to me. But that's my opinion.

Can you give me an example of a situation where your third question would apply?

Quite simply if you had recuited the following

3 3pt players in 2010 = 9pts
6 1pt players in 2010 = 6pts (SAAFL)

total 15 pts no problems

in 2011

3 3pt players now equal 6pts
6 1pt players now equal 0pts (SAAFL)

total now 6pts

But if those 6 1pt players now become 3pt players reducing to 2pt players in 2011 they now become 12pts you go up to 18pts through no fault of your own.

In this scenario most clubs would have been at 6pts no problems with 9pts to play with now they could be over before they start.

The answer to the question needs to made quickly as I have said most clubs have done their recruiting all ready on the basis of 1pt for SAAFL players

The latest newsletter (today) says that internal SAAFL players recruited in 2010 attracted 1 point (0 in 2011)

link?

[Mr Beefy]

http://saafl.asn.au/ !!!!