Suicide.

[JK]

do you think going into gory details is the right way to help Mr66? I almost feel depressed myself going through all these crisis!
I know you all mean well, but perhaps starting with "I've been in a similar situation, here's how I coped..." sans details?

Not sure if my post is one you're referring to Punk, but I don't think I've gone into any details too gory or graphic ... There's no real way to sugarcoat something like this, for some people to cope it's a battle, but a battle that can certainly be won was the point I was trying to make.

[Punk Rooster]

No CP, I was saying in general... & I'm not havinga crack at anyone, just saying this might not be the right time? (I'm no expert mind you)

[johntheclaret]

do you think going into gory details is the right way to help Mr66? I almost feel depressed myself going through all these crisis!
I know you all mean well, but perhaps starting with "I've been in a similar situation, here's how I coped..." sans details?

Understandable comment PR. Truth is just about everyone copes and gets on with life. The alternative is to do the same. My experience was very personal because it was my brother. I don't know how close 66 was to the person he referred to as he doesn't say whether it is a family member, friend work colleague etc. If he had said it was a family member (and I am not suggesting he should have to for one second), I would have probably written a different post, however he started his post by askinig for experiences.

I felt I would like to tell mine. With hindsight I wish I hadn't because it was a a very personal thing and now....... well.

66, I apologise to you if my post has caused any further distress, it definitely wasn't my intention and for anyone else who found the detail, gory, I apologise to them also.

[Mr66]

do you think going into gory details is the right way to help Mr66? I almost feel depressed myself going through all these crisis!
I know you all mean well, but perhaps starting with "I've been in a similar situation, here's how I coped..." sans details?

Understandable comment PR. Truth is just about everyone copes and gets on with life. The alternative is to do the same. My experience was very personal because it was my brother. I don't know how close 66 was to the person he referred to as he doesn't say whether it is a family member, friend work colleague etc. If he had said it was a family member (and I am not suggesting he should have to for one second), I would have probably written a different post, however he started his post by askinig for experiences.

I felt I would like to tell mine. With hindsight I wish I hadn't because it was a a very personal thing and now....... well.

66, I apologise to you if my post has caused any further distress, it definitely wasn't my intention and for anyone else who found the detail, gory, I apologise to them also.

None taken mate.
All forums tend to stray of the path a bit and this is no different.
BTW, it was a work colleague.

[McAlmanac]

What this thread has taught me is how widespread the issue is. My only experience has been with a bloke at work last year (who I didn't know overly well) and a friend of a close friend a few years back. It has been a real eye opener to discover how close some of the people have been to a reasonably small community of posters on this website.

I don't think anything in this thread has been too out of bounds.

[Hondo]

I think more of us than just Mr66 may have got some help and support from this thread topic. Punky, it's good that you are thinking of Mr66 and what's best for him. But I do think that more awareness we have about depression, the better for everyone. It's a lot more socially acceptable to talk about it these days which hopefully helps.

I am surprised at how many of you have had experience with suicide and several have more than one story to tell . Like I said before, guys are not good at talking about things so this forum is a good a place as any. My thoughts are with all of you and we should all make sure we are alert to the signs in ourselves and others so that help can be provided in time.

[Dogwatcher]

We played our first game without our team-mate on Saturday.
Very strange day. We won - but for a few of us who were close to him there was a hollow feeling.

[Mr66]

Tomorrow is our casual dress day at our work and proceeds will go to ovarian cancer research.
This is what precipitated my workmate's suicide.
http://www.ocrf.com.au is the address for anyone wanting info or to donate.
Many thanks to all who posted on this site.
Its alway good to know that you're not the only one.

[Dutchy]

Tomorrow is our casual dress day at our work and proceeds will go to ovarian cancer research.
This is was precipitated my workmate's suicide.
http://www.ocrf.com.au is the address for anyone wanting info or to donate.
Many thanks to all who posted on this site.
Its alway good to know that you're not the only one.

Great cause Mr66, my work has supported this for the past 3-4 years...

[Mr66]

8% of the human race carry a gene on the short arm of chromosome number 6 that results in an abnormality of receptors for a brain transmitter substance called nor-adrenaline, or nor-epinephrine if you are a Yank. [Gene identified by Lowell Weitkamp, Paediatric Geneticist, Rochester Medical Centre, New York, published 1986 or thereabouts, working on the Human Genome project.]

This accounts for half the depression in the community and generally requires antidepressants. Their are problems when people, their families, or even their doctors have trouble distinguishing this from the other type of depression that is not genetic. Another small percentage have an atypical bipolar disorder that can be hard to distinguish from the depressive illness referred to above or the equally common reactive depressions, but antidepressants tend to make the uncommon bipolar disorder worse.

Everyone who experiences depression in any form should consult a doctor - maybe more than one if the first seems uninterested.

If you're out there Psyber, would care to elaborate on this?
Even if you PM me or post a link that be greatly appreciated.

[Psyber]

8% of the human race carry a gene on the short arm of chromosome number 6 that results in an abnormality of receptors for a brain transmitter substance called nor-adrenaline, or nor-epinephrine if you are a Yank. [Gene identified by Lowell Weitkamp, Paediatric Geneticist, Rochester Medical Centre, New York, published 1986 or thereabouts, working on the Human Genome project.]

This accounts for half the depression in the community and generally requires antidepressants. Their are problems when people, their families, or even their doctors have trouble distinguishing this from the other type of depression that is not genetic. Another small percentage have an atypical bipolar disorder that can be hard to distinguish from the depressive illness referred to above or the equally common reactive depressions, but antidepressants tend to make the uncommon bipolar disorder worse.

Everyone who experiences depression in any form should consult a doctor - maybe more than one if the first seems uninterested.

If you're out there Psyber, would care to elaborate on this?
Even if you PM me or post a link that be greatly appreciated.

PM on its way. Info is from technical library sources, but I'll send more specifics if I can find links to forward.

[bayman]

i wont go into details because this happened last night & the body found earlier today, this person was a casual aqaintance who i only knew by his first name, yet it has a profound hold on me with my emotions & the ifs & buts & why didn't he say something to someone, i feel very much for the children he left behind as no child should have to go through that & while i feel for him i feel more for the kids as he took the easy option instead of the option of nurturing those children into adulthood & they will now be scarred for life


RIP

[Brucetiki]

Known of a couple of suicides in my lifetime.

2 of my cousins (brothers) suicided pretty much 10 years exactly apart. The first one hung themselves in the toilet in his room at the Lleyll McEwin (while under 'supervision' - they got sus after he spent 45 minutes in the toilet). The second one jumped from the first floor of the remand centre.

Also, when I was in year 12, a year 11 shot themself outside the year 12 area. I had a free period, and was up there doing an English assignment, and pondering whether to give myself an early minute and rock up to English a few minutes early. I was glad I didn't because if I did I would have seen him do it (and the associated mess). Thankfully, despite being about 10 metres away from them, I didn't see it at all (I heard the shot, but just assumed someone knocked a desk over until I saw a bit of a commotion and we were told to stay where we were as someone had been shot).

[Media Park]

Known of a couple of suicides in my lifetime.

2 of my cousins (brothers) suicided pretty much 10 years exactly apart. The first one hung themselves in the toilet in his room at the Lleyll McEwin (while under 'supervision' - they got sus after he spent 45 minutes in the toilet). The second one jumped from the first floor of the remand centre.

Also, when I was in year 12, a year 11 shot themself outside the year 12 area. I had a free period, and was up there doing an English assignment, and pondering whether to give myself an early minute and rock up to English a few minutes early. I was glad I didn't because if I did I would have seen him do it (and the associated mess). Thankfully, despite being about 10 metres away from them, I didn't see it at all (I heard the shot, but just assumed someone knocked a desk over until I saw a bit of a commotion and we were told to stay where we were as someone had been shot).

In the last twelve months, my neighbour (18 years old), a junior cricket teammate (20), a kid I coached at footy (19), and a former classmate (23), all killed themselves...

Not sure what was going through their minds at the time, but it made my problems seem like nothing... And now I just wait for the next one...

[White Line Fever]

hmmmm...

i have a view that irks alot of people on this but I think it is the most selfish act a human can do.
No problem in the world is worth a life and the devastation it leaves behind can be brutal.

This is coming from a guy who has rung 000 after waking up in the middle of the night for a piss then finding his mum slumped in a chair after a OD.
Spent the next week in ICU and she made it through.
I was about 10.

I say i would have no sympathy toward a suicide as they didn't care about how you would feel.

[Lightning McQueen]

hmmmm...

i have a view that irks alot of people on this but I think it is the most selfish act a human can do.
No problem in the world is worth a life and the devastation it leaves behind can be brutal.

This is coming from a guy who has rung 000 after waking up in the middle of the night for a piss then finding his mum slumped in a chair after a OD.
Spent the next week in ICU and she made it through.
I was about 10.

I say i would have no sympathy toward a suicide as they didn't care about how you would feel.

Probably is, but if someone feels as though they have very little importance in life and their problems outweigh their will to live through whatever pain they are going through, who is anyone else to judge.
I'm not saying that I support people's decision, living each day in absolute misery wouldn't be much fun either, they obviously get to a point that no one cares how they feel so why should they care about what others feel.

[White Line Fever]

I do accept it's impossible to judge until i walk someone elses shoes.

I am personally very strong minded and it takes alot to get me down so I just cannot grasp the concept of losing the will to live.

To me, it is impossible to think death is better than life and that's why i feel the way i do.

Can't help it it has been my way of thinking since young age.

(there's always someone who cares)

[nuggety goodness]

I do accept it's impossible to judge until i walk someone elses shoes.

I am personally very strong minded and it takes alot to get me down so I just cannot grasp the concept of losing the will to live.

To me, it is impossible to think death is better than life and that's why i feel the way i do.

Can't help it it has been my way of thinking since young age.

(there's always someone who cares)

I too am of the opinion that Suicide is very selfish.

The issue is more about those around them, family and friends etc, that actually do care for them and all they are thinking about is themselves and escaping their problems and not the grief and mourning they leave behind...

any problem is a perspective thing anyway, when you focus on problems they become all consuming, as a Christian I have God that I can focus on when a major problem or issue arises, without some kind of hope to assist to take your mind of your issue and yourself it is easy to get consumed by your problems, that leads to depression and ultimately taking your own life, if it's bad enough...

[Lightning McQueen]

Have you had to deal with divorce, custody battles, teenage children and the trouble's thay can get into, drugs, financial difficulties, rape or other victims of crime?
Try growing up or living in the northern suburbs where you are constantly labelled no matter how you present yourself.
It's all good to see life through rose coloured glasses and have everything run pretty smoothly, I've seen many good people fall to pieces through no fault of their own and only they would know what they are dealing with.
Selfish....or no-one to turn to, or don't want to burden others with their problems?
Sure enough, if you could see the signs you'd intervene, sometimes you just don't even see the signs.

[7-Dog]

I agree that Suicide is selfish.
But who am I to judge anyone when I have been through some dark days myself, and all for selfish reasons.

But what about those that can't get away from their Hell? ie: Rape, loss of child/children/family