APPS

[Mr Beefy]

correct - its not in there
Its a SAAFL decision that will need to get the OK from the General Committee so not set in stone yet

Ive watched the discussion on here about the 1 point for everyone

Im not sure which is best

If you have higher points for Div 1-3 players, it will make the good players in lower sides at 1 point a bigger target

At an equal 1 point for everyone and no salary cap, someone in Div 6 could buy 15 Div 1 players each at $2k per game to get a premiership

Its a 2 edge sword that will generate plenty of debate

i was sure i was reading the right document.
it'll all come out in the wash i'm sure but the technicality of internal transfers will be important

Yes, and, as it stands now, internal transfers are worth 1 point or 0 points if they have played 25 or more games for your club previously but may be changed in the future.

[turk186]

Just reading what is being put forward, I've come to the conclusion turk's not in favour of it!

No the system has merits but also has problems..the CFB and SAAFL want us to accept it at face value...if we stick our heads in the sand we will get our ar$e kicked (or worse)

the APPS affects 60+ clubs in SAAFL differently to the GBL with 10 clubs...club need time to sort through it make changes before the system (and the penalties that go with errors) is implimented fully..
and I do not fully trust either group..this idea has been in the pipeline for over 2 years the clubs heard about it 6 months ago, there has been some 20 -30 amendments in the last month or so...when will it stop or at least when will we have a baseline to work from......according to Gino on Monday night...it will constanly evolve before they get it right......trust me Im a used car salesman....Administrators beware

[Pag]

son of a life member going to his fathers club? at Colonel Light Gardens Football Club we don't discriminate on sex and actually have quite a few FEMALE life members, are there sons not eligible to be zero point players?

I'm sure they'll make an accommodation scotty, we're getting a bit carried away here aren't we?

The only issue I would like cleared up ASAP is the point value for internal transfers, and the system is going to have some teething problems, Gino admitted that on Monday night. Give it a chance though guys, over time it will be the best thing for SA football.

[Trader]

Opens up a can of worms doesn't it? Clubs will make anyone a life member to get their son playing for no points?

[Footy Smart]

Opens up a can of worms doesn't it? Clubs will make anyone a life member to get their son playing for no points?

Any professional, self respecting club wouldnt

[One Eyed]

That rules 90% out

[Pag]

Opens up a can of worms doesn't it? Clubs will make anyone a life member to get their son playing for no points?

I'm sure clubs value their life memberships enough to not hand them out on platters.

[S Demon]

Do clubs get extra points in the finals (more than 15) with the extra player on the interchange bench?

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Do clubs get extra points in the finals (more than 15) with the extra player on the interchange bench?

Well put Mate another blooper in this half ar$ed plan.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

No the system has merits but also has problems..the CFB and SAAFL want us to accept it at face value...if we stick our heads in the sand we will get our ar$e kicked (or worse)

the APPS affects 60+ clubs in SAAFL differently to the GBL with 10 clubs...club need time to sort through it make changes before the system (and the penalties that go with errors) is implimented fully..
and I do not fully trust either group..this idea has been in the pipeline for over 2 years the clubs heard about it 6 months ago, there has been some 20 -30 amendments in the last month or so...when will it stop or at least when will we have a baseline to work from......according to Gino on Monday night...it will constanly evolve before they get it right......trust me Im a used car salesman....Administrators beware[/quote]

The goal posts keep moving every week.

Does the league or clubs have the time and personnel to continually check thier points.

Question? Should a D7 Club be allocated the same amount of points as a D1 club. Thier are too many holes in this plan even Glenn Rosser after the meeting admitted to our delegate that certain scenarios are not catered for in this plan. I too do not trust the CFB.

In 2004 when the salary cap came in we were told that we could spend up to $10,000.00 for a D1 coach which we agreed to. At the next meeting with all the D1 & D3 clubs were were told that all club coaches could not be more than $10K. So right from the start we were lied too.
Once they got us they screwed us over.

D1 & D2 clubs are going to be the big losers out of this. What about players from league clubs who don't get a Reserves game or coming back from injury and the SANFL club sends them to thier feeder club for a game as they have no home club in the SAAFL? What points are they worth. The answer I received was 3 points and you will have to dropa aplayer to accommdate him. What a stupid answer and system!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE BEEN STUNG BY A GROUP OF MEN WHO HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE SAAFL

[Demon Juke]

Just a thought but with the points when players go from club to club but stay in the saafl I agree 1 point for everybody seems strange but what if it was 1 point for players from divs 4-7 but then 2 points for players from divs 1-3?
Would make it easier for clubs to keep players in the saafl because they would then be worth more points still if they change leagues. As I said just a thought.

Sounds better than 1 point for each.

[LaughingKookaburra]

As I have said many times, why do div 6 A grade sides have the same points allocation as div 1. We could seriously see some clubs get the s**t belted out of them next year and people say it will sort it self out eventually.Many people said the league would sort it self after the faliure of the Premier/Amateur league and the inclusion of many new clubs, but before it did we saw some massive belltings and doors close in the next 4 years (Campbelltown-Magill,BKFC just to name a couple and numerous clubs including my own were on their knees).
Many say in hind sight this was bound to happen, but it doesn't make it right.
How many times last year did we see a side in the top 6 divisions get slammed week in,week out last year in the SAAFL last year? How many times did we see sides smashed in leagues WITH points systems?

[Footy Smart]

In 2004 when the salary cap came in we were told that we could spend up to $10,000.00 for a D1 coach which we agreed to. At the next meeting with all the D1 & D3 clubs were were told that all club coaches could not be more than $10K. So right from the start we were lied too.
Once they got us they screwed us over.

struggle to see how 'up to 10k' and 'could not be more than $10K' is different?

D1 & D2 clubs are going to be the big losers out of this. What about players from league clubs who don't get a Reserves game or coming back from injury and the SANFL club sends them to thier feeder club for a game as they have no home club in the SAAFL? What points are they worth. The answer I received was 3 points and you will have to dropa aplayer to accommdate him. What a stupid answer and system!!!!!!!!!

Once again the point system makes it fair for all. Why should one club recieve multiple SANFL players just because they are a 'feeder' club or have close link/connection to an SANFL club/s as Boradview do.

ps you would naturally have to drop a player if you wish to play and SANFL player or do you want a special allowance on an extra player as well

[finn]

In 2004 when the salary cap came in we were told that we could spend up to $10,000.00 for a D1 coach which we agreed to. At the next meeting with all the D1 & D3 clubs were were told that all club coaches could not be more than $10K. So right from the start we were lied too.
Once they got us they screwed us over.

struggle to see how 'up to 10k' and 'could not be more than $10K' is different?
quote]

first is paying just the div 1 coach, the second is that all coaches in the club must fit under $10 000.

it's always going to be difficult bringing a system that aims at modifying entrenched systems especially when every club has a vested interest in the outcome (ie clubs should have an impost if they poach "óur players" but we should be able to attract others with minimal cost to us) - i'd like to think that there has been an official period of consultation with clubs to enable mooted changes to be discussed and voted on by all clubs. I'd also like to think that the system is not going to be fixed and that changes to it can occur via club vote before implentation in the following year. ie should players have points awarded via their league of origin or according to their payments received?

i'm also assuming that the system had to have been passed by a majority of clubs - perhaps its a lack of internal club communication that people should also be angry about?

I'm willing to give the system a go - even though theoretically the blacks could be affected given the very nature of the club (being tertiary institutionally based).

[bandar]

If the player is from your club he is still 0 points any way, further to that there was also discussion that they have flexibility to suit circumstances if a player drops back from a league club they may adjust his point allocation for a short period before it reverts to full points this would cover players returning from injury etc.

Of course all of this is conjecture the main thing I got from Mondays meeting is that the system will be designed and used to suit the majority of clubs in a league there is no point going off half cocked about it.

[Bold Strategy]

how uneven is our league? I thought it was pretty even thanks to promotion/relegation (which country leagues dont have), was it in 09 every div 1 team could of made finals with 2 matches left at round 16 or something?

If this system makes every div 1 club recruit 1 less quality player, where do they go? to a lower div club that is expected to be a preimership contender? how does that even it up. I dont see how this is going to make struggling clubs any stronger

[Jimmy_041]

It's not meant to even the competition up

[curlyhead]

It could be best summed up as - Nobody really understands this completely, NO-ONE from the SAAFL Administrators down, by the sounds. The Office Staff and CEO, have limited knowledge by the sounds, or are struggling with the concept, to give the Clubs correct information and we are all in a state of confusion. The meeting on Monday night was supposed to alleviate many questions, however all it has seemingly done, is create more questions and uncertainty. Someone, or a particular group of people have not sold this particularly well, for so many questions still being raised and answered for the masses. I think that another Question and Answer session is absolutely in order, for the Clubs, before the ultimate decision is made. Many Clubs might have fell into the trap of sending the Delegate who often goes and just did not want to be there. It would appear now that with all this uncertainty on the subject that another information evening should be scheduled with ALL CLUBS finally sending their Coaches, Coaching Staff, Football Directors etc, etc, etc and not just a Delegate. The Coaches and Football Departments, are being fed information that is hard to decipher and even last year we were told it was a 3 Year trial. Lets please get this right before proceeding further, as it will impact on so many Clubs for the Years to come, either one way or the other. If the Clubs vote YES then so be it, but it would appear, that just so many questions remain unanswered.

Lets just sit back have a glass of Scotch, and a Panadol, have another meeting and then all Clubs, can really get a grip of what is transpiring. At the moment, the biggest problem is that no-one, or very few are completely at ease with what they are told and thus the confusion.

To the Executive and Office Staff, who read these pages religiously, (as I am fully aware) take note please and let commonsense prevail. Another meeting is in order.

Getting it right for the sake of the game in the South Australia and the SAAFL, should ultimately be the aim and not some agenda item, for anyone to score points. A fair bit is at stake with this decision and EVERYONE has to be at ease with the final decision, or it defeats the purpose. This like other decisions made in the past should be made on behalf of the 67 Clubs that ultimately run the League.

[silent hour]

It could be best summed up as - Nobody really understands this completely, NO-ONE from the SAAFL Administrators down, by the sounds. The Office Staff and CEO, have limited knowledge by the sounds, or are struggling with the concept, to give the Clubs correct information and we are all in a state of confusion. The meeting on Monday night was supposed to alleviate many questions, however all it has seemingly done, is create more questions and uncertainty. Someone, or a particular group of people have not sold this particularly well, for so many questions still being raised and answered for the masses. I think that another Question and Answer session is absolutely in order, for the Clubs, before the ultimate decision is made. Many Clubs might have fell into the trap of sending the Delegate who often goes and just did not want to be there. It would appear now that with all this uncertainty on the subject that another information evening should be scheduled with ALL CLUBS finally sending their Coaches, Coaching Staff, Football Directors etc, etc, etc and not just a Delegate. The Coaches and Football Departments, are being fed information that is hard to decipher and even last year we were told it was a 3 Year trial. Lets please get this right before proceeding further, as it will impact on so many Clubs for the Years to come, either one way or the other. If the Clubs vote YES then so be it, but it would appear, that just so many questions remain unanswered.

Lets just sit back have a glass of Scotch, and a Panadol, have another meeting and then all Clubs, can really get a grip of what is transpiring. At the moment, the biggest problem is that no-one, or very few are completely at ease with what they are told and thus the confusion.

To the Executive and Office Staff, who read these pages religiously, (as I am fully aware) take note please and let commonsense prevail. Another meeting is in order.

Getting it right for the sake of the game in the South Australia and the SAAFL, should ultimately be the aim and not some agenda item, for anyone to score points. A fair bit is at stake with this decision and EVERYONE has to be at ease with the final decision, or it defeats the purpose. This like other decisions made in the past should be made on behalf of the 67 Clubs that ultimately run the League.

Well said Curlyhead!

[curlyhead]

It could be best summed up as - Nobody really understands this completely, NO-ONE from the SAAFL Administrators down, by the sounds. The Office Staff and CEO, have limited knowledge by the sounds, or are struggling with the concept, to give the Clubs correct information and we are all in a state of confusion. The meeting on Monday night was supposed to alleviate many questions, however all it has seemingly done, is create more questions and uncertainty. Someone, or a particular group of people have not sold this particularly well, for so many questions still being raised and answered for the masses. I think that another Question and Answer session is absolutely in order, for the Clubs, before the ultimate decision is made. Many Clubs might have fell into the trap of sending the Delegate who often goes and just did not want to be there. It would appear now that with all this uncertainty on the subject that another information evening should be scheduled with ALL CLUBS finally sending their Coaches, Coaching Staff, Football Directors etc, etc, etc and not just a Delegate. The Coaches and Football Departments, are being fed information that is hard to decipher and even last year we were told it was a 3 Year trial. Lets please get this right before proceeding further, as it will impact on so many Clubs for the Years to come, either one way or the other. If the Clubs vote YES then so be it, but it would appear, that just so many questions remain unanswered.

Lets just sit back have a glass of Scotch, and a Panadol, have another meeting and then all Clubs, can really get a grip of what is transpiring. At the moment, the biggest problem is that no-one, or very few are completely at ease with what they are told and thus the confusion.

To the Executive and Office Staff, who read these pages religiously, (as I am fully aware) take note please and let commonsense prevail. Another meeting is in order.

Getting it right for the sake of the game in the South Australia and the SAAFL, should ultimately be the aim and not some agenda item, for anyone to score points. A fair bit is at stake with this decision and EVERYONE has to be at ease with the final decision, or it defeats the purpose. This like other decisions made in the past should be made on behalf of the 67 Clubs that ultimately run the League.

Well said Curlyhead!

Thank you - but ultimately it is commonsense, that nobody has got a total grasp of this and lets not get shoved, pushed or railroaded into making a decision without fully exploring all options. Sadly, commonsense it something the SAAFL, is not noted for over the last few years (the last few years in-particular) For something like this, which has the importance and ramifications that this decision will ultimately have - a RUSHED DECISION IS NOT in the best interests of the 67 Clubs, whether in the affirmative or negative. Many people from the CEO, to the Office Staff to a whole range of other people have forgotten, that that they are there to serve the Clubs and not there to serve their own agendas or needs or wants. 67 Clubs, not just a few people, all Own, Run and have equal say of the League and the decision making and if after another Meeting and Information Seminar, the majority say either YES or NO, then there is no argument from anyone, as everyone has had the chance to voice their opinion. This just has too many ramifications to the pushed through without more discussion, as is evidenced by the discussion on here and through various conversations that many people have had since last Monday night. ESSENTIALLY IT IS JUST COMMONSENSE - NOTHING ELSE