Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

[cripple]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

As to this point, most of the discussion on here as been fairly sensible with both sides making sensible arguments. The garbage you have posted above shows that your grasp of the situation is moderate to poor at best. Fair enough you may not agree with boat people being awarded asylum in australia as an issue, but to say that we should look after other australian's first, there all imposing their religious views on us (show me one australian who has had an asylum seeker tell them to become muslim, hindu etc...) and that country towns will be no go zones in 10 years in preposterous.
The jobs most of the asylum seekers are willing to do are the ones that the so called un-looked after australians consider themselves to good for. Just because you dont like the idea of something, dont spout off some random tirade of non-sensicle dribble.

[fish]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

Oh deary me - this is exactly the sort of racial hatred and intolerance that I have said all along is at the core of the opposition to the Woodside proposal.

[dedja]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

Welcome to the forum Mr Bolt ...

[saintal]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

Oh deary me - this is exactly the sort of racial hatred and intolerance that I have said all along is at the core of the opposition to the Woodside proposal.

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

[Iron Fist]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

Oh deary me - this is exactly the sort of racial hatred and intolerance that I have said all along is at the core of the opposition to the Woodside proposal.

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

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[Sojourner]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

[cripple]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

Probably the same way they did when there was 400 military personnel and thier families living there.

[Booney]

I think its Fu*** crap that they cum over here and get housing then get visas and looked after like kings its a disgrace we should look after people in our backyard before we take on more other problems ...They bring there religious rights here which there trying to brain wash us with they get me so b loody angry rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.give it 10 years and they will turn something like broome or another town into a barb wire surrounding and it will turn into the mexican border all these immagrants trying to escape soon they will be taking your kids employment then what will make us think leave us alone

Oh deary me - this is exactly the sort of racial hatred and intolerance that I have said all along is at the core of the opposition to the Woodside proposal.

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

What is racist about the people of Woodside / Inverbrackie not wanting asylum seekers housed nearby fish? I totally agree with saintal as this is not an issue of race/colour/creed but an issue that the good townsfolk of Woodside have every-bloody-right to be concerned about.

Back up your "racist" claim, if you will.

[Booney]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

Probably the same way they did when there was 400 military personnel and thier families living there.

The 400 military personnel and thier families had transport and the communication skills to be alerted and be aware of what was happening ( if there was to be a fire ).

[bulldogproud2]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

Probably the same way they did when there was 400 military personnel and thier families living there.

The 400 military personnel and thier families had transport and the communication skills to be alerted and be aware of what was happening ( if there was to be a fire ).

As will the asylum seekers. It is hardly as if they are being 'dumped' there on their own.

[bulldogproud2]

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.[/quote]

What is racist about the people of Woodside / Inverbrackie not wanting asylum seekers housed nearby fish? I totally agree with saintal as this is not an issue of race/colour/creed but an issue that the good townsfolk of Woodside have every-bloody-right to be concerned about.

Back up your "racist" claim, if you will.[/quote]

If the townspeople had kicked up a similar fuss when the military personnel were living there, then there would be no issue. However, to kick up a fuss when asylum seekers arrive and not when the military were there does make it sound like it is based on racism.

[Iron Fist]

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

What is racist about the people of Woodside / Inverbrackie not wanting asylum seekers housed nearby fish? I totally agree with saintal as this is not an issue of race/colour/creed but an issue that the good townsfolk of Woodside have every-bloody-right to be concerned about.

Back up your "racist" claim, if you will.[/quote]

If the townspeople had kicked up a similar fuss when the military personnel were living there, then there would be no issue. However, to kick up a fuss when asylum seekers arrive and not when the military were there does make it sound like it is based on racism.[/quote]

racism??
they didnt kick up a fuss when the military were there as they are the people that protect our great country and put there lifes on the line.
While there is now a bunch of people, who have poor social skills and cant speak english well, IMO dont mix into the community well getting free accomadation there.

I agree with someones earlier post about they will do jobs that some of us would not do as we think were to good, but there are some people that will be out of a job because of them.

[bulldogproud2]

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

What is racist about the people of Woodside / Inverbrackie not wanting asylum seekers housed nearby fish? I totally agree with saintal as this is not an issue of race/colour/creed but an issue that the good townsfolk of Woodside have every-bloody-right to be concerned about.

Back up your "racist" claim, if you will.

If the townspeople had kicked up a similar fuss when the military personnel were living there, then there would be no issue. However, to kick up a fuss when asylum seekers arrive and not when the military were there does make it sound like it is based on racism.[/quote]

racism??
they didnt kick up a fuss when the military were there as they are the people that protect our great country and put there lifes on the line.
While there is now a bunch of people, who have poor social skills and cant speak english well, IMO dont mix into the community well getting free accomadation there.

I agree with someones earlier post about they will do jobs that some of us would not do as we think were to good, but there are some people that will be out of a job because of them.[/quote]

To discriminate against someone because of their lack of English speaking ability IS racism, is it not?

[cripple]

You really have a thing for calling my fellow townspeople racists dont you Fish? Whack a "Detention Centre" in any other suburban area/town with no prior thought paid to logistics and you'll have the same backlash.

What is racist about the people of Woodside / Inverbrackie not wanting asylum seekers housed nearby fish? I totally agree with saintal as this is not an issue of race/colour/creed but an issue that the good townsfolk of Woodside have every-bloody-right to be concerned about.

Back up your "racist" claim, if you will.

If the townspeople had kicked up a similar fuss when the military personnel were living there, then there would be no issue. However, to kick up a fuss when asylum seekers arrive and not when the military were there does make it sound like it is based on racism.[/quote]

racism??
they didnt kick up a fuss when the military were there as they are the people that protect our great country and put there lifes on the line.
While there is now a bunch of people, who have poor social skills and cant speak english well, IMO dont mix into the community well getting free accomadation there.

I agree with someones earlier post about they will do jobs that some of us would not do as we think were to good, but there are some people that will be out of a job because of them.[/quote]

What on earth does someones social skills have to do with them being allowed to live somewhere. I am sure there are already plenty of people living in the woodside area with poor social skills and there is no uproar about that. Just another example of people clutching at straws to try and justify there personal reasons for disliking asylum seekers.

[Sojourner]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

Probably the same way they did when there was 400 military personnel and thier families living there.

The 400 military personnel and thier families had transport and the communication skills to be alerted and be aware of what was happening ( if there was to be a fire ).

As will the asylum seekers. It is hardly as if they are being 'dumped' there on their own.

For starters they dont have a vehicle each of thier own and a personal evacuation plan as was the case with the previous tenants of the homes. I dont even remotley trust the Government to be able to organise an evacuation of 400 people from the hills in severe bushfire conditions. What I want to know is specifically what the Federal Government and the people that run the centre are going to do on both Severe Bushfire Warning Days and what their actual plan is when a Bushfire does happen.

[redandblack]

I'm heartened by the sudden concern for the homeless and protection of refugees from bushfires from so many humanitarians on here

[cripple]

What happens when there is a bushfire in the Adelaide hills as was the case in Vic, how are they proposing to move 400 people down the freeway in those conditions? Why place people with no transport into a high risk bushfire area???

Probably the same way they did when there was 400 military personnel and thier families living there.

The 400 military personnel and thier families had transport and the communication skills to be alerted and be aware of what was happening ( if there was to be a fire ).

For starters they dont have a vehicle each of thier own and a personal evacuation plan as was the case with the previous tenants of the homes. I dont even remotley trust the Government to be able to organise an evacuation of 400 people from the hills in severe bushfire conditions. What I want to know is specifically what the Federal Government and the people that run the centre are going to do on both Severe Bushfire Warning Days and what their actual plan is when a Bushfire does happen.

If it is really such a big issue, most commercial buses are licenced to carry 50+ passengers. I am sure the appropriate authorities could rustle up the 8 buses needed to evacuate the centre and drive the 30 mins out of harms way. Probably have more problems in severe fire conditions with local homeowners unwilling to leave their own properties then any potential danger to Inverbrackie and its residents.

[Squawk]

A few myths need to be dispelled here:

Firstly, SAPOL or the CFS have never really mandated (ie forced) evacuations in bushfires. It is up to everyone to be prepared for the risk and any actual threat.
Secondly, there is a difference between having 400 defence personnel and 400 detainees from Culturally and Linguistically Diverse ("CALD") communities, concentrated in a bushfire area.
Thirdly, it sounds simple to just send 8 buses to Inverbrackie but it isn't when there is a threat present. Roads are closed; Bus companies and drivers may not be keen to do a job with that element of risk and the duty of care responsibilities that go with it; and furthermore, regardless of WHO the 400 people are, emergency services don't want to have to be focussing on defending or evacuating 400 people in these circumstances - Schools don't want this problem either so those evaluated to be 'high risk' are closed by DECS.
Fourthly, these people are detainees albeit with extra privileges than "prisoners" typically have. That means they present a different dynamic to manage than 400 military families would.

The biggest "problem" with having these 400 people at Inverbrackie is the service implications that the Cwlth has overlooked, ignored, or in simple terms, just expects to demand and receive. I'm referring to services provided by the State (not forgetting the NGOs and Churches, etc). That includes services in an emergency scenario as well as health, education, transport and other requirements on a day-to-day basis. And although services also need to be available to 400 defence personnel if they were living there instead, it's apples and oranges when it comes to what is required by 400 defence personnel compared to 400 detainees.

Wait for the outcry when 10 CFS trucks have to defend 400 people at Inverbrackie whilst private homes have to burn in the absence of the fire trucks. Or worse, people die in their homes or on the roads whilst Inverbrackie is defended. People who might be home looking after their kids because their school was closed. Where and how can 400 detainees and all their support staff and guards be "pre-deployed" on a day of very high, severe, extreme or catastrophic fire danger rating?

Anyway, that's the conundrum - and I'm intending to be objective here, not take sides or express an opinion.

[Squawk]

If it is really such a big issue, most commercial buses are licenced to carry 50+ passengers. I am sure the appropriate authorities could rustle up the 8 buses needed to evacuate the centre and drive the 30 mins out of harms way.

Cripple - no personal offence is intended here but that is the wrong attitude.

No one should expect that in an emergency such as a bushfire, help will be there when you call. Everyone has a responsibility to be prepared for any emergency - as best they can. The threat of bushfire is forseeable, as are many other threats. If you think it's as simple as "the authorities can just rustle up 8 buses", not only are you adopting a simplistic approach but the reality is, to do this requires resources being directed away from other priorities.

To see more about what I mean, check out this Kiwi campaign - it says it all.
http://www.getthru.govt.nz/web/GetThru.nsf/web/BOWN-7HG6JA?OpenDocument

[Dog_ger]

Sometimes us oldies get things mixed up.

Sometimes we forget about the need for compassion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A8xMhAG7M&NR=1

Watch it over and over until it sinks in.