Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

[Strawb]

More Illegal immigrants are the ones who over stay their Visa's than the ones comming in on a boat you will find.

About five times as many I've heard...

Abbott is trying to deflect the amount over staying their Visa's compaired to the ones comming in via the boats. And I don't know the correct figure on how many off hand.

[Squawk]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1295782/Asylum-seekers:-Myths-and-facts

Asylum seekers: Myths and facts

[Squawk]

More Illegal immigrants are the ones who over stay their Visa's than the ones comming in on a boat you will find. SJABC hit the nail on the head most of them are English and Kiwi's who come here and stay on. It needs to stop on both fronts but unfortuately it will not. The UN expects us to take in a certain amount of Refugees each year. I admire the ones who do the right thing come to Australia through the correct channels and learn English work hard and make a good life for them and their families. More Indians are comming to Australia than ever before and alot of them are students who will over stay their student visas and do minimal jobs ie cleaning, 7/11 worker, taxi driver.

There is one key difference between visa overstayers and people who come by boat.

Overstayers have been pre-vetted - security, health, background, identity, financial means etc. They arrive with papers.
Boat arrivals are not pre-vetted. They all have a terrible story to tell. But the validity of those stories, and their backgrounds and circumstances, is VERY difficult to verify, let alone in a timely manner.

People may recall that displaced persons from the Yugoslavia conflict were temprarily granted special visas. At the conclusion of the conflict, they were largely returned home.

In the case of boat arrivals, they are overwhelmingly coming here for good. In some cases visa overstayers come with that intent, but I suspect others may make a decision post-arrival to hang around. If caught, they are returned home in the majority of cases.

[Leaping Lindner]

There is another key difference between visa overstayers and people who come by boat.

They are predominately white.

[Squawk]

There is another key difference between visa overstayers and people who come by boat.

They are predominately white.

True! I'm not sure this is as simple as a race issue though - for some maybe it is, but I'm not convinced that is the case for most. At least it doesn't seem to be a religious issue.

What I am convinced of is that it's clear that no matter which govt holds office, the issue overall is politically challenging and amongst the population, it remains divisive.

[Iron Fist]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

spot on mate
we got plenty of problems with our own people before we start worrying about others.
its harsh but what is needed to be done. My mate works in the navy out of cairns and part of his job is to pick up these boat people. he said they are disgusting, spitting on the sailers and other such disgusting things. The sailers must provide them with so many provisions and allowances on their boat. I think we should just tow them back to there waters. Save the Australian taxpayers millions aswell!

[Psyber]

I admit I am not thrilled with this decision for purely selfish, and for personal philosophical, reasons.
However, while in the region, I am far enough away from Inverbrackie to be not really be affected by this one.

However, there is a much bigger issue.
As overpopulation of the planet continues to rise, and climate change affects the viability of populated regions, the number of refugees is inevitably going to grow.
It will eventually reach levels where violence will occur, especially between populations with adjacent land borders in struggling areas.
It will become a fight for survival, for preserving standards of living, and for tribal style territorial possession.

We need to start considering our strategies for when it gets really serious.

[Sojourner]

Its just been announced on 5AA news that 150 Housing Trust homes are getting the flick from the Pennington area and will not be replaced. Homes for 400 can be found in the Adelaide Hills yet those on Priority One waiting lists which means people that are homeless and often with severe disability cannot access housing. How the **** does that work then?????

[Iron Fist]

I admit I am not thrilled with this decision for purely selfish, and for personal philosophical, reasons.
However, while in the region, I am far enough away from Inverbrackie to be not really be by this one.

However, there is a much bigger issue.
As overpopulation of the planet continues to rise, and climate change affects the viability of populated regions, the number of refugees is inevitably going to grow.
It will eventually reach levels where violence will occur, especially between populations with adjacent land borders in struggling areas.
It will become a fight for survival, for preserving standards of living, and for tribal style territorial possession.

We need to start considering our strategies for when it gets really serious.

i just did the course for my gun licence, thats my stratergy at the moment

[Drop Bear]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

You'd also have to look at why they're homeless. Drugs? Alcohol? Would you give someone who pissed their life down the toilet a house before a young family who can't make ends meet? Unfortunately, there's no easy fix.

[Squawk]

Losing the fight on homelessness - article

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/kevin-rudd-losing-the-fight-on-homeless/story-e6frg6nf-1225815371260

The Road Home - White Paper on Homelessness

http://www.fahcsia.gov.au/sa/housing/progserv/homelessness/whitepaper/Documents/default.htm

[Iron Fist]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

You'd also have to look at why they're homeless. Drugs? Alcohol? Would you give someone who pissed their life down the toilet a house before a young family who can't make ends meet? Unfortunately, there's no easy fix.

I would give an Australian a house before some illegal immigrant.
Cause hey, everyone **** up and most people deserve a second chance.

Thats my opinion anyway.

[Drop Bear]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

You'd also have to look at why they're homeless. Drugs? Alcohol? Would you give someone who pissed their life down the toilet a house before a young family who can't make ends meet? Unfortunately, there's no easy fix.

I would give an Australian a house before some illegal immigrant.
Cause hey, everyone **** up and most people deserve a second chance.

Thats my opinion anyway.

They're not illegal immingrants, they're refugees. Fact.

[cripple]

I wasn't comparing the USA to Australia - and not sure where you got the impression that I was. I am merely stating the laws in some states of America (in particular the state that joins Mexico).

I'm saying in terms of how Australia treats their asylum seekers when they get here that is soft in comparison and this is why we are seen as a target. You can't compare numbers considering the differences in population, now I'm no mathematician but if you were to reduce that number to a "head per capita amount" chances are the numbers would be a little more comparible. 310 million v's 21 million, I'd be guessing Australia would be in front in terms of applications for asylum.

Can I ask where you got your 10 million figure from? and is this figure purely asslyum seekers? Doubtful, as Strawb said.

In regards to the 10,000,000 figure, it came from a uni lecture 3 years ago from someone who has worked within immigration. I also recall hearing it during the obama campaign.
In regards to comparing the usa to aus and whether you were or not doesn't really matter from where i stand. I get the impression that so many australians feel as though we are the only country in the world that is having issues with asylum seekers/ illegal immigrants when in reality countries such as the USA, Germany and France to name a few have been having these same issues on a far greater scale for a much longer time. You also argue that our population compared to americas should be taken into consideration when talking about incoming immigrants. IMO the population of the destination does not really matter, but more the population of the region the illegal immigrants are coming from. In this regard australias surrounding regions population would be above that of the USA's.

[Iron Fist]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

You'd also have to look at why they're homeless. Drugs? Alcohol? Would you give someone who pissed their life down the toilet a house before a young family who can't make ends meet? Unfortunately, there's no easy fix.

I would give an Australian a house before some illegal immigrant.
Cause hey, everyone **** up and most people deserve a second chance.

Thats my opinion anyway.

They're not illegal immingrants, they're refugees. Fact.

whatever they are. I believe that we should look after the homeless and poor before we give away australian tax payers money to people from another country!

[Gozu]

The reality:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/07/08/cri ... thematics/

[Drop Bear]

You'd also have to look at why they're homeless. Drugs? Alcohol? Would you give someone who pissed their life down the toilet a house before a young family who can't make ends meet? Unfortunately, there's no easy fix.

I would give an Australian a house before some illegal immigrant.
Cause hey, everyone **** up and most people deserve a second chance.

Thats my opinion anyway.

They're not illegal immingrants, they're refugees. Fact.

whatever they are. I believe that we should look after the homeless and poor before we give away australian tax payers money to people from another country!

I don't like seeing my money being flittered away either, but I'd rather give it to somebody who's trying to better their life than some lazy, dole-bludging wanker that doesn't contribute to society and drifts through life thinking they've got it tough living in Oz. They're the ones who are nothing but a drain on the Welfare System.

[redden whites]

I love hearing hills folk demanding we look after our homeless first.Can you imagine the carry on if the government moved 400 homeless in to this very spot in one hit.....

[Dogwatcher]

With Annesley College set to close down, maybe the Hills schools won't have to put up with these reffos. They could be bussed down to the former private school.

Tongue now out of cheek.

[fish]

What is interesting is the total lack of any type of community consultation.

I am usually all for community consultation but in this case it would have just become a forum for racism, intolerance, prejudice, hatred and fear - you only have to look at the comments section in The Advertiser to see this.