Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

[Footy Chick]

I'm just waiting for a terrorist to slip through the cracks.

I think everybody has that thought, that's why the proper processing channels need to be adhered to .. Whether it's a legal or illegal immigrant, there's always still going to be a risk involved, but then there's enough homegrown nutters to ensure there's always a risk anyway I guess.

Very true

But at least our nutters just chop up carefully selected people and cram them into barrells, they don't blow up buildings and kill thousands of random people in the name of religion

[Squawk]

Ive always wondered, do some actually make it to mainland Australia? What do they do when they get here?

On very rare occasions. Usually they approach fishermen on the beach or try and hitch-hike on a lonely road, and get picked up very quickly. In recent years though, there are that many defence resources up that way they are typically caught.

A smart people smuggler would actually send people direct from Sri Lanka to southern Australia but that's not ideal for a few reasons - mainly because the length of the journey across the open Indian Ocean means you need a seaworthy, robust boat that is well provisioned. That costs big bucks and narrows the profit margin. Hence, the smarter people smugglers use the Indonesian route because it is straightforward to enter and move around illegally in Indonesia, and furthermore the distance to travel by boat is miniscule and so they can buy very cheap boats that are so unseaworthy that they are destined to be making their last nautical journey, and hardly have to provision them.

Once they are in or close to Australian territorial waters, it is usually a case of the boats volunteering their presence by mayday or similar message, rather than waiting for a plane to fly overhead and spot them. After all, they want to be picked up and taken care of - they are not actually trying to slip in to the country undetected.

[Squawk]

I'm just waiting for a terrorist to slip through the cracks.

I think everybody has that thought, that's why the proper processing channels need to be adhered to .. Whether it's a legal or illegal immigrant, there's always still going to be a risk involved, but then there's enough homegrown nutters to ensure there's always a risk anyway I guess.

Very true

But at least our nutters just chop up carefully selected people and cram them into barrells, they don't blow up buildings and kill thousands of random people in the name of religion

Homegrown nutters who are potential terrorist criminals, or potential non-terrorist crims? If you mean the former, you are pointing at predominately migrants -first or second generation typically - who have come from war-torn countries.

[cripple]

How many of us are of German descent that fled persecution from Prussia in the 1840's?

I can put up my hand for this one.

Great post Yetti.

The difference being that back then, new Australians were forced to learn english and were taught everything so they can make their own way in society and were happy to do so.

Nowadays it's just one big handout and demand afer demand from people that technically shouldn't even be here in the first place. Where do they think sewing their mouths shut and jumping off roofs is going to get them? You've come with nothing, if you don't like the taxpayer funded accommodation, clothing and welfare we give to you as illegals, you can always go home.

(In saying that, I have 3 Afghan women who live next door to me, a mum and 2 daughters. When they first moved in about 6 years ago, they were given no support and me and my neighbour had to teach them alot of day to day things, including how to vote when they became citizens. The girls have also always worked very hard, including working 2 jobs at a time to make ends meet. The eldest daughter recently went back to Afganastan to get married and the husband has recently moved in too. He is trained in IT and already spoke english, so has had no problem in finding suitable employment)

Even some Nazi's and those who committed war crimes were caught up with here eventually. However, like many other who will never admit to it, I'm just waiting for a terrorist to slip through the cracks.

In many cases, new immigrants were not forced to learn english, but were able to gain an entry to australia by being able to speak any european language. If all of these old immigrants were forced to learn english and fit in with wider australian society and values, then why are there so many older australians with eastern european heritage who have a basic grasp of the english language at best and only really operate within their own immigrant communities. These problems are not unique to australia or 2010 and IMO we should try and keep an open mind and help those that generally need it, no matter how they find it.

[Jimmy_041]

I worked in Malaysia between 2000 - 2002 and they brought in mandatory whipping for illegal immigrants in 2002. About 300k people fled the country including an Australian lawyer friend of mine who did not know that her Malaysian employer had never submitted her work permit papers to avoid the $500 fee (I think she might have enjoyed it )

Interesting to read earlier this year that nearly 35,000 people have now been convicted and whipped between 2002 - 2008

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100527-218858.html

Point is: even the threat of whipping doesn't stop it

[Dog_ger]

I dis-like what is happening.

I wish it would go away and everyone would leave this great country of ours alone.

But if I was in there position I would do the same.

I would do anything to improve my kids lifes.

I don't know what the answer is.

But it has to stop PMJulia.

How come the homeless South Australians were not offered these homes...?

Or any old Digger living in hardship..?

Comment Mr SA Premier.

[Leaping Lindner]

Yeah. Let's follow Malaysia's example!!!!
While we are at it we can also whip women for drinking , and introduce female circumcision .

[once_were_warriors]

I worked in Malaysia between 2000 - 2002 and they brought in mandatory whipping for illegal immigrants in 2002. About 300k people fled the country including an Australian lawyer friend of mine who did not know that her Malaysian employer had never submitted her work permit papers to avoid the $500 fee (I think she might have enjoyed it )

Interesting to read earlier this year that nearly 35,000 people have now been convicted and whipped between 2002 - 2008

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100527-218858.html

Point is: even the threat of whipping doesn't stop it

I worked in Malaysia in 1995 and it took for ever to get a work Visa , actually came through as I was going home for Christmas break . Didn't return as I met my wife when I returned to Adelaide. No whipping in those days , but the threat of holidaying in one of their gaols provided enough incentive not to do too much wrong. I agree with most comments on here and agree compassion is the way to go. Shouldn't put chidren behind barb wire regardless of the circumstances.

[overloaded]

I dis-like what is happening.

I wish it would go away and everyone would leave this great country of ours alone.

But if I was in there position I would do the same.

I would do anything to improve my kids lifes.

I don't know what the answer is.

But it has to stop PMJulia.

How come the homeless South Australians were not offered these homes...?

Or any old Digger living in hardship..?

Comment Mr SA Premier.

[Jimmy_041]

Yeah. Let's follow Malaysia's example!!!!
While we are at it we can also whip women for drinking , and introduce female circumcision .

Was I saying we should? Read carefully - I think not...

[Footy Chick]

I worked in Malaysia between 2000 - 2002 and they brought in mandatory whipping for illegal immigrants in 2002. About 300k people fled the country including an Australian lawyer friend of mine who did not know that her Malaysian employer had never submitted her work permit papers to avoid the $500 fee (I think she might have enjoyed it )

Interesting to read earlier this year that nearly 35,000 people have now been convicted and whipped between 2002 - 2008

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100527-218858.html

Point is: even the threat of whipping doesn't stop it

In America, they dress you in pink shorts and t-shirt and make you sleep in bunks in the virtual open (only the equivalent of a carport) over your head and you're forced to wear shackles the whole time.

THEN they send you back from whence you came after 48 hours.

Australia is a soft target. Simple.

[overloaded]

I worked in Malaysia between 2000 - 2002 and they brought in mandatory whipping for illegal immigrants in 2002. About 300k people fled the country including an Australian lawyer friend of mine who did not know that her Malaysian employer had never submitted her work permit papers to avoid the $500 fee (I think she might have enjoyed it )

Interesting to read earlier this year that nearly 35,000 people have now been convicted and whipped between 2002 - 2008

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100527-218858.html

Point is: even the threat of whipping doesn't stop it

In America, they dress you in pink shorts and t-shirt and make you sleep in bunks in the virtual open (only the equivalent of a carport) over your head and you're forced to wear shackles the whole time.

THEN they send you back from whence you came after 48 hours.

Australia is a soft target. Simple.

Hit the nail on the head. AUSTRALIA IS SOFT!

[Dirko]

I reckon we should send all the bloody illegal Poms & Kiwis that flew in, and are overstaying their visas there too....

[good ol' red and white]

For me my main concern is immunisation. Diseases like tuberculosis and polio being detected are now rare in Autralia, but TB is currently being detected in some asylum seekers. The education dept. needs to ensure that any child entering a local school up here in the hills (or anywhere else) is clear of any such contagions.

This issue will divide the greater hills community. I feel for those who have recently bought, or are trying to sell their properties in Woodside.

I hope the hills people save their fury for the government, for it's illpreparedness on such an explosive and obvious issue over the last 3 years, and not on the lucky asylum seekers who have at last found their utopia. Many of them will hopefully work hard, not afraid of taking on tasks most Wasps would baulk at, thus ensuring their future generations will recognise and appreciate the value of working hard to establish security and pride. This has been demonstrated whenever new migrants or refugees have moved into this country and are given the opportunity to "have a go".

[Hondo]

In America, they dress you in pink shorts and t-shirt and make you sleep in bunks in the virtual open (only the equivalent of a carport) over your head and you're forced to wear shackles the whole time.

THEN they send you back from whence you came after 48 hours.

Australia is a soft target. Simple.

That's if they catch them. The US still have apparently over 500,000 illegal immigrants per year. About 60% come from Mexico.

According to an article I found the US is apparently seen as highly desirable by would be immigrants.

During the Howard years where he arguably won an election by being tough on immigrants immigration to Australia actually rose.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think any of these so-called tough barriers are a deterrent if your country is desirable and your own situation at home is a disaster.

[cripple]

I worked in Malaysia between 2000 - 2002 and they brought in mandatory whipping for illegal immigrants in 2002. About 300k people fled the country including an Australian lawyer friend of mine who did not know that her Malaysian employer had never submitted her work permit papers to avoid the $500 fee (I think she might have enjoyed it )

Interesting to read earlier this year that nearly 35,000 people have now been convicted and whipped between 2002 - 2008

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100527-218858.html

Point is: even the threat of whipping doesn't stop it

In America, they dress you in pink shorts and t-shirt and make you sleep in bunks in the virtual open (only the equivalent of a carport) over your head and you're forced to wear shackles the whole time.

THEN they send you back from whence you came after 48 hours.

Australia is a soft target. Simple.

What rubbish. There is something like 10,000,000 illegal aliens living in the usa who have come by air, sea and land. I recall when Obama was elected there was some theory that illegal immigrants or the children of these illegal immigrants would be one of the biggest vote winners for the election. If you are comparing australia to the USA you really should be looking at the massive amount of people trying to enter the USA which when you put next to australias intake looks like mt everest against montefiore hill.

[Strawb]

More Illegal immigrants are the ones who over stay their Visa's than the ones comming in on a boat you will find. SJABC hit the nail on the head most of them are English and Kiwi's who come here and stay on. It needs to stop on both fronts but unfortuately it will not. The UN expects us to take in a certain amount of Refugees each year. I admire the ones who do the right thing come to Australia through the correct channels and learn English work hard and make a good life for them and their families. More Indians are comming to Australia than ever before and alot of them are students who will over stay their student visas and do minimal jobs ie cleaning, 7/11 worker, taxi driver.

[Footy Chick]

I wasn't comparing the USA to Australia - and not sure where you got the impression that I was. I am merely stating the laws in some states of America (in particular the state that joins Mexico).

I'm saying in terms of how Australia treats their asylum seekers when they get here that is soft in comparison and this is why we are seen as a target. You can't compare numbers considering the differences in population, now I'm no mathematician but if you were to reduce that number to a "head per capita amount" chances are the numbers would be a little more comparible. 310 million v's 21 million, I'd be guessing Australia would be in front in terms of applications for asylum.

Can I ask where you got your 10 million figure from? and is this figure purely asslyum seekers? Doubtful, as Strawb said.

[whufc]

Turn the boats around send them bloody home.

Like someone else said these house should be going to homeless South Australians or diggers living in hardship.

The softer we get the more it will happen and will be even harder to stop.

[fish]

More Illegal immigrants are the ones who over stay their Visa's than the ones comming in on a boat you will find.

About five times as many I've heard...