Future Growth & Infrastructure of Adelaide

[Strawb]

Public Transport needs to be upgraded, buses need more bus lanes and priority lights to make them work effectivley in peak hour.

Country rail to the Barossa Valley, Murray Bridge and Victor Harbor needs to become a reality. Suburban rail to Mt Barker with the line upgraded to electric and dual track is badly needed.

A programme to remove all suburban level crossings, look at the millions wasted on the Torrens Rd Crossing and now the Park Terrace Bowden crossing, either have been undergrounded and nothing has been acheived despite the coin spent.

The Tram should be extended to the Airport and to Marion Shopping centre using the existing rail then extending on at the closest point.

The Noarlunga Train Line needs to have a spur line built to take in residents through Trott Park, Sheidow Park and Reynella. The Noarlunga line could even be extended through to Strathalbyn and used to take the interstate trains around the hills instead of going through the hills freeing up the line for passenger trains.

A few suggestions anyway!

You guys had that and it was removed the line went to willunga they should have kept it. The best idea on a spur would be from Monato behind the hills into the Barossa. This would be more effective.
But all in all good suggestions

[Psyber]

The ancient Greeks [well those of Athenian origin] had it right.
When a city reached a certain size growth was stopped and people were sent of to founds a new "Polis".
That's one thing Don Dunstan had right - we should have drawn a line around Adelaide and built Monarto.

The last thing we should be doing is expanding cities by burying the productive farmland and water collection sites under buildings and bitumen.
It would make more sense to build on the arid land and transport food and water from the more viable land thus preserved.

The state government recently approved something like 5000 Hectares around Mt Barker for subdivision, and the local Council is leading the objections.
The grounds for objection are that it can't provide the infrastructure to support that rapid an expansion without a lot of state money, and that the loss of the farmland is important.
A contact in the building industry told me they have been advised by the present state government that eventually all the land south of Adelaide and around the coast to Goolwa will be approved for subdivision.

[Pottsy]

Cycling infrastructure.

The benefits of it (the infrastructure, as well as the activity) are well documented.

For instance http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/societ ... 16hhg.html

Give us who don't mind the two wheels better chance of not becoming roadkill.

[Sojourner]

Cycling infrastructure.

The benefits of it (the infrastructure, as well as the activity) are well documented.

For instance http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/societ ... 16hhg.html

Give us who don't mind the two wheels better chance of not becoming roadkill.

What would be good is suburban cycling tracks running along the land footprint of the suburban railway lines. That way there are no cars driving alongside for the most part. Adelaide to Semaphore could be a fairly easy ride and no Port rd traffic to deal with.

[Psyber]

What would be good is suburban cycling tracks running along the land footprint of the suburban railway lines. That way there are no cars driving alongside for the most part. Adelaide to Semaphore could be a fairly easy ride and no Port rd traffic to deal with.

True, and similarly, if the northern freight train by pass eventually went ahead that would enable the state government to upgrade passenger services along the train line thorugh the hills and to Mt Barker.
While doing so they could put in such bicycle tracks there.

[whufc]

Plenty of artists impressions in the advertiser

[Drop Bear]

Cycling infrastructure.

The benefits of it (the infrastructure, as well as the activity) are well documented.

For instance http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/societ ... 16hhg.html

Give us who don't mind the two wheels better chance of not becoming roadkill.

That would be sweet.

[White Line Fever]

When is Dissedent dropping back into the conversation??

[Dissident]

When is Dissedent dropping back into the conversation??

When you spell it properly

[Gozu]

Adelaide must provide something that the rest of Australia and most of the world does not. Legalise Marijuana. I know you are going to think to yourself 'serious discussion only FFS' but think about it. It could revitalise the economy and encourage tourism to the state.

The last time South Australia led the way with bold experimentation was during the Dunstan era. During that time people moved to SA and not from it. I know this because this is exactly what my parents did.

You could regulate the weed the same way in which Alcohol and Tobacco is. In other words, drug testing to keep stoners off the road, the same 'no smoking' zones in indoor and outdoor places. Make some money and attract attention from it instead of wasting police resources on something that you just can't stop.

See if you can provide the locals with some tax relief by getting the stoners to contribute to government revenue. See if you can get the Cops to worry about ice instead. See if you can get people to come to Adelaide to enjoy a Latte and some hash in one of the new Amsterdam type Cafes.

regards,

REB

Agree 100% but won't happen with this conservative government and wowsers like Bressington in there who was behind the law to stop certain shops from selling bongs. Rack em & stack em and all that, fwits.

[Leaping Lindner]

The ancient Greeks [well those of Athenian origin] had it right.
When a city reached a certain size growth was stopped and people were sent of to founds a new "Polis".
That's one thing Don Dunstan had right - we should have drawn a line around Adelaide and built Monarto.

The last thing we should be doing is expanding cities by burying the productive farmland and water collection sites under buildings and bitumen.
It would make more sense to build on the arid land and transport food and water from the more viable land thus preserved.

The state government recently approved something like 5000 Hectares around Mt Barker for subdivision, and the local Council is leading the objections.
The grounds for objection are that it can't provide the infrastructure to support that rapid an expansion without a lot of state money, and that the loss of the farmland is important.
A contact in the building industry told me they have been advised by the present state government that eventually all the land south of Adelaide and around the coast to Goolwa will be approved for subdivision.

The one thing???? Oh Psyber what a short memory you have.
Aboriginal land rights recognised
Homosexuality decriminalised
The first female judge appointed
The first non-British governor - Sir Mark Oliphant
The first indigenous governor - Douglas Nicholls
Reformed and expanded the public education and health systems
Abolished the death penalty
Reformed drinking laws (ie: Abolished 6 O'Clock closing)
Created a ministry for the environment
Lowered the voting age to 18
Established the South Australian Film Corporation
and so on and so on
Want to find a Premier from either side of politics with a resume half that good in SA history?

[Gozu]

Agree 100% but won't happen with this conservative government and wowsers like Bressington in there who was behind the law to stop certain shops from selling bongs. Rack em & stack em and all that, fwits.

Speak of the devil. I flick through today's Tiser and there's a story about Ann Bressington on page 6. According to her water fluoridation is "mass medication", is toxic and corrosive, lowers childrens IQ's, causes cancer, neurological problems and rots teeth despite what SA Health say. She's calling for it to be removed from all water.

Unbelievable. I knew she was a hardcore right-winger but damn. This is getting into Citizens Electoral Council territory.

[dedja]

The ancient Greeks [well those of Athenian origin] had it right.
When a city reached a certain size growth was stopped and people were sent of to founds a new "Polis".
That's one thing Don Dunstan had right - we should have drawn a line around Adelaide and built Monarto.

The last thing we should be doing is expanding cities by burying the productive farmland and water collection sites under buildings and bitumen.
It would make more sense to build on the arid land and transport food and water from the more viable land thus preserved.

The state government recently approved something like 5000 Hectares around Mt Barker for subdivision, and the local Council is leading the objections.
The grounds for objection are that it can't provide the infrastructure to support that rapid an expansion without a lot of state money, and that the loss of the farmland is important.
A contact in the building industry told me they have been advised by the present state government that eventually all the land south of Adelaide and around the coast to Goolwa will be approved for subdivision.

The one thing???? Oh Psyber what a short memory you have.
Aboriginal land rights recognised
Homosexuality decriminalised
The first female judge appointed
The first non-British governor - Sir Mark Oliphant
The first indigenous governor - Douglas Nicholls
Reformed and expanded the public education and health systems
Abolished the death penalty
Reformed drinking laws (ie: Abolished 6 O'Clock closing)
Created a ministry for the environment
Lowered the voting age to 18
Established the South Australian Film Corporation
and so on and so on
Want to find a Premier from either side of politics with a resume half that good in SA history?

not to mention safari suits and pink shorts ...

[Barto]

I think there should be a shift to high density housing in the city centre and surrounding suburbs, and along the major arterial roads.

This is a good call. Adelaide missed the boat on decent transport infrastructure and remains the only major city in Aus not serviced by urban freeways. Building up the city centre with high rise residential is the best bandaid measure IMO.

If we keep developing the outer suburbs the way we are we will just keep chewing up the best farmland.

Population expansion has always been guilty of this. It always baffles me when there's articles in the media showing farmers on crappy land with another rubbish harvest due to lack of rain while what was once the best land to grow our food on is covered in suburbia.

[White Line Fever]

When is Dissident dropping back into the conversation??

When you spell it properly

Woops! Sorry.

So what do you think of the discussion so far?

Do you think we need to accept the fact we are expanding?

Do you think certain individuals are strangling the city in their quest for a 'country town'?

[White Line Fever]

Adelaide missed the boat

I think you've summed it up perfectly Barto

[Dissident]

I must admit I'd not seen this before (though I think I had heard some facts about it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATS_plan

[Dissident]

When is Dissident dropping back into the conversation??

When you spell it properly

Woops! Sorry.

So what do you think of the discussion so far?

Do you think we need to accept the fact we are expanding?

Do you think certain individuals are strangling the city in their quest for a 'country town'?

Great discussion.

Yes, we need to accept it. I don't mind talking about past mistakes, but with the view of learning from them.
We are where we are.

We have tried to make things work in a better and more effective way.

O-Bahn
Southern Expressway
Northern Expressway
Port River Expressway
South Eastern Freeway

Hilton Bridge -> underpass
Gallipoli underpass
Port River bridge

etc etc.

These are positive things, even if some of them weren't done in the best way or with the most thought.

I like the idae of a north/south corridor. It's going to take al ot of money and a lot of time though.
God knows what will happen around South Road, mainly 6 or 7 km from the CBD.

[Gingernuts]

Adelaide must provide something that the rest of Australia and most of the world does not. Legalise Marijuana. I know you are going to think to yourself 'serious discussion only FFS' but think about it. It could revitalise the economy and encourage tourism to the state.

The last time South Australia led the way with bold experimentation was during the Dunstan era. During that time people moved to SA and not from it. I know this because this is exactly what my parents did.

You could regulate the weed the same way in which Alcohol and Tobacco is. In other words, drug testing to keep stoners off the road, the same 'no smoking' zones in indoor and outdoor places. Make some money and attract attention from it instead of wasting police resources on something that you just can't stop.

See if you can provide the locals with some tax relief by getting the stoners to contribute to government revenue. See if you can get the Cops to worry about ice instead. See if you can get people to come to Adelaide to enjoy a Latte and some hash in one of the new Amsterdam type Cafes.

regards,

REB

Agree 100% but won't happen with this conservative government and wowsers like Bressington in there who was behind the law to stop certain shops from selling bongs. Rack em & stack em and all that, fwits.

It comes with it's own set of problems though. While I'm not necessarily against legalisation I think it's wrong to believe that by doing so we will become some sort of 'freedom of expression' society in the make of Amsterdam.

After visiting Amsterdam a few months back I can honestly say that reality is a long way from this romantic view that people seem to have of it. What it has become is the top buck/hens show destination for drunkard Pommie bogans. It's got to the point where the local government is now shutting down the red light district street by street, and they are seriously re-considering their stance on drug use.

As I said, I'm not dead against the suggestion. I just don't think people should believe it to be some kind of key to a golden age of freedom of expression or something.

[Sojourner]

We have tried to make things work in a better and more effective way.

O-Bahn
Southern Expressway
Northern Expressway
Port River Expressway
South Eastern Freeway

Hilton Bridge -> underpass
Gallipoli underpass
Port River bridge

etc etc.

These are positive things, even if some of them weren't done in the best way or with the most thought.

I like the idae of a north/south corridor. It's going to take al ot of money and a lot of time though.
God knows what will happen around South Road, mainly 6 or 7 km from the CBD.

Personally I think that the OBahn busway is the best form of public transport for the local conditions that we have in Adelaide out of all the public transport options, it was very much a visionary idea and it has worked very well - 15mins from Tea Tree Plaza to the City on the Express in Peak Hour is not so bad, will drop further when they can get it through the ring road peak hour traffic faster as funded by the feds.

With South Rd, Pat Conlon was on Leons show on 5AA suggesting that he would like to see the Southern Expressway link up with South Road at the Cross Rd Overpass. Think this would be a huge step forward for the southern side of the city if this were to be able to be done!