Grand Final Post Game Reviews

[Footy Smart]

Interestingly Boyd goes on to play with a broken leg, Phillips is sidelined for the rest of the game with a broken jaw.

Get off you knees WHUFC..... Boyds leg will be fine by next season

[TEX07]

IS THERE ANY FOOTAGE AVAILABLE OF THE CALLINAN HIT?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 028480.htm

On the lower right hand side of the ABC page above, there is a video link you click on and it shows about 2 minutes of footage (the news Report from the night) of the game.

The Callinan shepherd on Phillips is at about the 1.14min mark...

I have watched this footage again and again and I can not see how anyone could say that Phillips was as much to blame for his injury as Callinan? He is approx 2-3 mtrs away from the contest no running at full pace watching the play, Callinan ran past the contest where his team mate was being tackled and put a fair and within the rules bump on Phillips. Surely he should have tried to get the ball that his team mate clearly hand balled? Cant see if there was anyone out of picture but to me the correct option for him to take would have been to go for the footy or at the least protect his team mate from the guy who was actually tackiling him and in the contest. Phillips was never going to get there, Callinan made a bee line for him, not to break his jaw im sure but i bet he was happy he was out of the game. Like i said the actual bump itself was fair and text book really, I just think he chose to go the payer instead of the ball. Phillips had no say in this at all, he could have been two metres further back and still got nailed because thats what Callinan wanted to do, nothing to do with awareness when it is off the footy IMO. I should clarify I dont think that Callinan should be sighted for it, it was within the rules I just dont think that Phillips can be attributed to it is all.

[whufc]

Interestingly Boyd goes on to play with a broken leg, Phillips is sidelined for the rest of the game with a broken jaw.

Get off you knees WHUFC..... Boyds leg will be fine by next season

exactly, he has a history with a broken leg, he still continues to play football and it happened to re-brake again in a GF, bad luck. Though he gets some pain killers plays the game out, absolute legendary stuff, wins his first premiership medal, incredible.

He would be sore today but as you say it will heal and he will be fine by next season, no need for all the fan fare and love letters and cute texts from the Norwood players.

No one from Centrals expects that unlike the Norwood fans.

[whufc]

IS THERE ANY FOOTAGE AVAILABLE OF THE CALLINAN HIT?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 028480.htm

On the lower right hand side of the ABC page above, there is a video link you click on and it shows about 2 minutes of footage (the news Report from the night) of the game.

The Callinan shepherd on Phillips is at about the 1.14min mark...

I have watched this footage again and again and I can not see how anyone could say that Phillips was as much to blame for his injury as Callinan? He is approx 2-3 mtrs away from the contest no running at full pace watching the play, Callinan ran past the contest where his team mate was being tackled and put a fair and within the rules bump on Phillips. Surely he should have tried to get the ball that his team mate clearly hand balled? Cant see if there was anyone out of picture but to me the correct option for him to take would have been to go for the footy or at the least protect his team mate from the guy who was actually tackiling him and in the contest. Phillips was never going to get there, Callinan made a bee line for him, not to break his jaw im sure but i bet he was happy he was out of the game. Like i said the actual bump itself was fair and text book really, I just think he chose to go the payer instead of the ball. Phillips had no say in this at all, he could have been two metres further back and still got nailed because thats what Callinan wanted to do, nothing to do with awareness when it is off the footy IMO. I should clarify I dont think that Callinan should be sighted for it, it was within the rules I just dont think that Phillips can be attributed to it is all.

You are allowed to bump a player within 5 meters of the ball. Phillips was well and truly within 5 meters, he should be aware of the possibility of being bumped.

[sjt]

People can make their own minds up, but they didnt pay another all day and what about in the back?

Watch the game closely Dutchy and u will see Duigan just drop the ball on the ground.

Then the Ump should have made the call straight away, but he didnt

I agree with you Dutchy

No doubt the Dogs deserve the premiership, but the fact that a young Norwood side that started the season 0-4 almost snatched it from them has made a few feel a tad threatened here. It wasn't exactly the clinical Centrals that we've all come to admire, put it that way. But I get the feeling that everything has to be perfect, even if it wasn't...let them think so..

It was fairly perfect Purch, perfect for not being perfect (if that makes sense). Due to the tightness of the contest and coming back from 17 points down at half time, this made this GF win one of the best. The fact that it wasn't the clinical Centrals, that no-one, other than wing nut really stood out, demonstrating a real even team performance made this very special. The atmosphere and Norwoods' fightback helped contribute also.
I feel "threatened" each year, fortunately the team has enormous self belief and a never say die attitude.
Yep, even if it wasn't..I think so.

[Footy Smart]

IS THERE ANY FOOTAGE AVAILABLE OF THE CALLINAN HIT?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 028480.htm

On the lower right hand side of the ABC page above, there is a video link you click on and it shows about 2 minutes of footage (the news Report from the night) of the game.

The Callinan shepherd on Phillips is at about the 1.14min mark...

I have watched this footage again and again and I can not see how anyone could say that Phillips was as much to blame for his injury as Callinan? He is approx 2-3 mtrs away from the contest no running at full pace watching the play, Callinan ran past the contest where his team mate was being tackled and put a fair and within the rules bump on Phillips. Surely he should have tried to get the ball that his team mate clearly hand balled? Cant see if there was anyone out of picture but to me the correct option for him to take would have been to go for the footy or at the least protect his team mate from the guy who was actually tackiling him and in the contest. Phillips was never going to get there, Callinan made a bee line for him, not to break his jaw im sure but i bet he was happy he was out of the game. Like i said the actual bump itself was fair and text book really, I just think he chose to go the payer instead of the ball. Phillips had no say in this at all, he could have been two metres further back and still got nailed because thats what Callinan wanted to do, nothing to do with awareness when it is off the footy IMO. I should clarify I dont think that Callinan should be sighted for it, it was within the rules I just dont think that Phillips can be attributed to it is all.

Dont be silly Callinan wouldnt do anything tough like try and bump a bloke thats bigger than him

The bump wasnt in the play as it didnt contribute to the play directly or protect the CD player who was leading McGuinnes to the ball. The bump should have been laid on the bloke who had a chance to impact the contest, this was not Phillips.

As for messages etc. its up to the individual. You wouldnt expect it if you were in Phillips position and some blokes in Callinans postion may feel they want to just say 'sorry mate, hope it heals quick'. Not a requirement of being a 'good bloke' or a reflection on character etc but some may see it as being a reasonable gesture.

[TEX07]

You are allowed to bump a player within 5 meters of the ball. Phillips was well and truly within 5 meters, he should be aware of the possibility of being bumped.[/quote]

I said it was within the rules, was not debating that. I was debating that Phillips contributed to his own demise. Callinan should have no case to answer in my opinion. As for his awareness I disagree but that is just my opinion, it looked more like he had given up on the contest and I still think that Callinan would have gone him if he 6 metres away. Thats just how it looked to me, possibly could have done more to protcet himself as you state but the hit was hard and not sure he would have had the time to do that and try and get to the next contest. Both are done on split second decisions and are part of our game, personally I love a sweet bump like that because it was fair, I just dont think Phillips could have done much to avoid it, I dont think a free kick would have been warranted.

[cennals05]

I dont know him personally but I know for a FACT no contact has been made with Flipper.
Judging by his comments on 5AA " saw an opportunity to take him out", I still doubt there will be!
Just wish we had some hard ar5es in our side to dish this crap back out.
In the end winners are grinners and the rest of us can please ourselves.

You've put it in quotes Fester is that because that''s what he said, or are you making that statement? Somehow I don't think you're a fair judge.
Don't worry Campbell did alright. Boydy thanked the Dr for pulling his perforated lip back over his teeth (we wont mention the leg fracture).
I'm sure Flipper wouldn't be expecting any text messages or the like, knowing it's a contact sport and you're allowed to bump.

The word for word interview was...

Daniel Norton - "A pretty heavy hit on Simon Phillips down here as well, obviously that changed momentum of the game aswell, as I think Simon had little influence after that"

Callinan – “Yeah it was something we sort of spoke about you know, we really wanted to stamp our authority on the game you know, the opportunity was there, so I took it”

Make up your own mind, but listening to it I think he was more so saying he took the opportunity to stamp his authority on the game.

[whufc]

People think my posts are bad taste, they probably are im a harsh person, at least i havent threatened Phillips or any Norwood player on or off the field.

http://www.safooty.net/norwoodredlegs/v ... 4&start=15

6th post down by GOLegs

Personally i think thats bad taste.

[sjt]

Photographic evidence suggests Callinan's actions were deliberate, Gowan brothers need to play on next year to protect the little shite, but he will have his day and when it comes just remember, what comes around goes around

Cheers,

Normally after an "incident" in a game, the supposed instigater will be remonstrated with by the upset opposition players, probably would face continued boooing from the crowd, most often a free will be paid. In this case none of the above, despite it being shown about four times on the big screen. Hmm wonder why? Perhaps as the umpires, most neutral, norwood and Central supporters have said..it was a bump!

Get over it.
I've never seen Ian do anything outside the rules or malicious, and still haven't. A brilliant player and top bloke.

[Dutchy]

I dont have any issue with the bump, thought it was one of the hardest hits Ive seen for a long time at any level, however I didnt realise at the time it obviously got him high (I dont think anyone knew at the time apart from Phillips himself). If it was just body on body and he copped a broken rib or arm then so be it, but the angst is it has broken his jaw which meant it was high contact which is illegal in our game. He will now have to face the tribunal and the decision will be interesting. If guilty he is probably going to find himself missing quite a few games.

[Go Legs]

Photographic evidence suggests Callinan's actions were deliberate, Gowan brothers need to play on next year to protect the little shite, but he will have his day and when it comes just remember, what comes around goes around

Cheers,

Off cause they were FFS, he didnt mean to tickle him

Maybe if someone had taken Callinan out when they had the chance Norwood may have won the game.

The game is done and Centrals have won, no issues with that, Callinan is another matter, and by your own admission you won't be upset when he does go down and spends a couple of weeks in hospital, will you.

The irony is that whoever takes him out will probably get 3 votes for the round

[Go Legs]

People think my posts are bad taste, they probably are im a harsh person, at least i havent threatened Phillips or any Norwood player on or off the field.

http://www.safooty.net/norwoodredlegs/v ... 4&start=15

6th post down by GOLegs

Personally i think thats bad taste.

LMAO, and that from you, Golden.

[TEX07]

Photographic evidence suggests Callinan's actions were deliberate, Gowan brothers need to play on next year to protect the little shite, but he will have his day and when it comes just remember, what comes around goes around

Cheers,

Off cause they were FFS, he didnt mean to tickle him

Maybe if someone had taken Callinan out when they had the chance Norwood may have won the game.

The game is done and Centrals have won, no issues with that, Callinan is another matter, and by your own admission you won't be upset when he does go down and spends a couple of weeks in hospital, will you.

The irony is that whoever takes him out will probably get 3 votes for the round

Having seen him play a bit, he can play and good luck trying to take him out. They could not catch him when he had the footy and lay a tackle on Sunday let alone find him in a vulnerable position to take him out! His hit was within the rules as they stand, the fact that Phillips broke his jaw was deffinately unfortunate but if you think that they should target the guy to take him out on or off the field is just ridiculous. If its done within the rules then game on, but where are the rules off the field and on the field like I said maybe should look at just laying a tackle on him first. Simple fact from Sundays game is if Norwood had someone who could stop his presence on the game they win, IMO he was the difference.

[cennals05]

People think my posts are bad taste, they probably are im a harsh person, at least i havent threatened Phillips or any Norwood player on or off the field.

http://www.safooty.net/norwoodredlegs/v ... 4&start=15

6th post down by GOLegs

Personally i think thats bad taste.

Yes, I think GoLegs, (obviously a mental giant) should be a bit careful with his threats.

(I apologise If he's under 12 years old)

I'm sure Callinan is scared of the thought of GOLegs chanting MONSFAW at him, when he meets him in a dark alley.

[FlyingHigh]

IS THERE ANY FOOTAGE AVAILABLE OF THE CALLINAN HIT?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 028480.htm

On the lower right hand side of the ABC page above, there is a video link you click on and it shows about 2 minutes of footage (the news Report from the night) of the game.

The Callinan shepherd on Phillips is at about the 1.14min mark...

I have watched this footage again and again and I can not see how anyone could say that Phillips was as much to blame for his injury as Callinan? He is approx 2-3 mtrs away from the contest no running at full pace watching the play, Callinan ran past the contest where his team mate was being tackled and put a fair and within the rules bump on Phillips. Surely he should have tried to get the ball that his team mate clearly hand balled? Cant see if there was anyone out of picture but to me the correct option for him to take would have been to go for the footy or at the least protect his team mate from the guy who was actually tackiling him and in the contest. Phillips was never going to get there, Callinan made a bee line for him, not to break his jaw im sure but i bet he was happy he was out of the game. Like i said the actual bump itself was fair and text book really, I just think he chose to go the payer instead of the ball. Phillips had no say in this at all, he could have been two metres further back and still got nailed because thats what Callinan wanted to do, nothing to do with awareness when it is off the footy IMO. I should clarify I dont think that Callinan should be sighted for it, it was within the rules I just dont think that Phillips can be attributed to it is all.

Dont be silly Callinan wouldnt do anything tough like try and bump a bloke thats bigger than him

The bump wasnt in the play as it didnt contribute to the play directly or protect the CD player who was leading McGuinnes to the ball. The bump should have been laid on the bloke who had a chance to impact the contest, this was not Phillips.

As for messages etc. its up to the individual. You wouldnt expect it if you were in Phillips position and some blokes in Callinans postion may feel they want to just say 'sorry mate, hope it heals quick'. Not a requirement of being a 'good bloke' or a reflection on character etc but some may see it as being a reasonable gesture.

Spot on Footysmart.
The way the game was played there could have been 20 of these same incidents if the players were inclined to.
Whether people think he should be reported and/or suspended or not, lcompare this to what Salter got suspended for earlier in the year.
Honestly, I can't decide one way or the other, although I don't think because Phillips got a broken jaw should come into the decision because it wasn't an intentionally high hit.

[barbie]

You are allowed to bump a player within 5 meters of the ball. Phillips was well and truly within 5 meters, he should be aware of the possibility of being bumped.

Not true!

15.4.4 C harge or Charging
(a) A Charge means an act of colliding with an opposition
Player where the amount of physical force used is
unreasonable or unnecessary in the circumstances,
irrespective of whether the Player is or is not in
possession of the football or whether the Player is
within 5 metres of the football.
(b) Without limiting the general application of Law 15.4.4 (a),
a Charge occurs when a Player unreasonably or
unnecessarily collides with an opposition Player:
(i) who is not within 5 metres of the football;
(ii) who, although within 5 metres of the football, is
not in the immediate contest for the football.

[FlyingHigh]

Just an amazing win considering the Gowans are too old and slow, Pumpa was eagerly released from Glenelg for "reasons that will become obvious", Sansbury simply can't play, Boyd is a soft sell out, teams don't rate Havelberg, MacKenzie isn't up there with the top rucks in the comp, O'Hara wouldn't get a game with other sides and we only have 2 players in the top 22 in the league.

And about time the best player in the comp got some official recognition.

Strange that you would site the Centrals players who were all a bit down on the day. Neither of the Gowans had a huge impact, both did look slow and got caught with the ball, whilst still being handy when in space. Sansbury was very quiet I thought, but the few disposals he had were quite telling. Similarly, Havelberg and O'Hara were quiet, Buckets didn't have a huge influence in ruck over the course of the game despite the stats, nor around the ground (zero marks).

Spurr, Callinan and Goodrem were the stand outs. Thomas was solid. Lawry was good in the second half , as was Hayes. But I wouldn't call it a 'rounded' team effort, all played well etc..well not by Central's standards.

Almost exactly how I saw it, and as I mentioned earlier I thought it wasnt your true Centrals "team" performance, maybe Norwood were able to break it down a bit so some credit should go to them. I thought Sansbury was carrying a few extra pounds and while Boyd is a good player he missed a few tackles in the first half which suprised me.

CD got the win and congrats to them but I dont think it was the well oiled machine we have seen in previous GF's.

Do you think, perhaps scarily for the rest of the comp, that this was a bit of "baton-changing"? Some of these players have been able to play lesser roles around the Gowans, Thomas etc for a few years, but now players such as Williams, Hayes, O'hara, Dutschke (although he has been good for a few years), Spurr are coming into their best footy-playing years and the Gowans are the bit players.

[Big Phil]

You are allowed to bump a player within 5 meters of the ball. Phillips was well and truly within 5 meters, he should be aware of the possibility of being bumped.

Not true!

15.4.4 C harge or Charging
(a) A Charge means an act of colliding with an opposition
Player where the amount of physical force used is
unreasonable or unnecessary in the circumstances,
irrespective of whether the Player is or is not in
possession of the football or whether the Player is
within 5 metres of the football.
(b) Without limiting the general application of Law 15.4.4 (a),
a Charge occurs when a Player unreasonably or
unnecessarily collides with an opposition Player:
(i) who is not within 5 metres of the football;
(ii) who, although within 5 metres of the football, is
not in the immediate contest for the football.

Yeah, but Callinan wasn't cited for a 'charge' Barbie...

He will face the tribunal for a charge of rough conduct.

[Big Phil]

Do you think, perhaps scarily for the rest of the comp, that this was a bit of "baton-changing"? Some of these players have been able to play lesser roles around the Gowans, Thomas etc for a few years, but now players such as Williams, Hayes, O'hara, Dutschke (although he has been good for a few years), Spurr are coming into their best footy-playing years and the Gowans are the bit players.

Spot on FH...

Central played well enough to win the flag without these name players playing their best.