Advertiser SANFL Team of the Year

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Since 2006, this is the total number of players selected by club:
22 - Glenelg
20 - Sturt
14 - Central
13 - Eagles
13 - North
12 - Norwood
8 - Port
4 - South
4 - West

This is the 59th team of the year, and the first time ever that Port have not gained a selection.

[redandblack]

Coach of the Year is generally regarded as not necessarily solely judged on win/loss ratios, but more so by results against pre-season expectation. Roy Laird is obviously the most successful coach, but he battles the expectation that anything less than a premiership is a failure, as unfair as that may be.

On that basis, Nathan Bassett should be the Coach of the Year for the purposes of this discussion, just as the Premiership Coach is the Coach of the Year in reality when the season is over.

Bassett is the Coach of the Year, but I'd strongly argue that the fact he couldn't recruit should definitely not be a factor. The reason Norwood couldn't recruit is that they already had a stronger list than they should have had under the rules. It would be nonsensical to claim a disadvantage in not being able to strengthen a list already well over the cap.

However, his performance has been exceptional, as evidenced by the fact that almost everyone would have predicted Central to be in the Grand Final: very few would have said the same about Norwood.

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And, the players and their number of times selected overall:

7 times:
Brant Chambers: 2003 (FP), 2004 (FP), 2006 (FP), 2007 (FF), 2008 (FF), 2009 (FF), 2010 (FP)
Justin Cicolella: 1999 (RR), 2002 (W), 2003 (RR), 2004 (HB), 2005 (FP), 2006 (RR), 2010 (Int)
6 times:
Jade Sheedy: 2002 (C), 2004 (W), 2007 (C), 2008 (C), 2009 (C), 2010 (HF)
5 times:
Paul Thomas: 2003 (BP), 2004 (BP), 2007 (BP), 2008 (HB), 2010 (HB)
4 times:
James Allan: 2007 (Rov), 2008 (Int), 2009 (Int), 2010 (Int)
Brett Zorzi: 2006 (BP), 2008 (BP), 2009 (Int), 2010 (C)
3 times:
Ty Allen: 2008 (RR), 2009 (RR), 2010 (Int)
2nd time:
Ian Callinan: 2007 (FP), 2010 (Rov)
Todd Grima: 2008 (FP), 2010 (FF)
Ruory Kirkby: 2009 (CHF), 2010 (CHF)
Wayde Mills: 2009 (FB), 2010 (FB)
1st time:
Jonathon Giles: 2010 (Ruck)
Tristan Gum: 2010 (HF)
Scott Lewis: 2010 (W)
Nick Liddle: 2010 (Int)
Nick Lower: 2010 (RR)
Kieran McGuinness: 2010 (CHB)
Luke Panozzo: 2010 (HB)
Simon Phillips: 2010 (FP)
Paul Puopolo: 2010 (BP)
Jarrod Silvester: 2010 (BP)
Kane Tenace: 2010 (W)

[bulldogproud2]

Coach of the Year is generally regarded as not necessarily solely judged on win/loss ratios, but more so by results against pre-season expectation. Roy Laird is obviously the most successful coach, but he battles the expectation that anything less than a premiership is a failure, as unfair as that may be.

On that basis, Nathan Bassett should be the Coach of the Year for the purposes of this discussion, just as the Premiership Coach is the Coach of the Year in reality when the season is over.

Bassett is the Coach of the Year, but I'd strongly argue that the fact he couldn't recruit should definitely not be a factor. The reason Norwood couldn't recruit is that they already had a stronger list than they should have had under the rules. It would be nonsensical to claim a disadvantage in not being able to strengthen a list already well over the cap.
However, his performance has been exceptional, as evidenced by the fact that almost everyone would have predicted Central to be in the Grand Final: very few would have said the same about Norwood.

Possibly true, RedandBlack, but with that same list last year, the team finished out of the finals. A great improvement to finish where they will this year.

[redandblack]

Agree totally, bp2, hence my support for him.

As for the strength of the list, I think the 2009 result may have been due to other factors than talent.

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This is only the 2nd time that Norwood have had a coach of the year. Laird has been coach of the year 5 times.

[LPH]

Team by team selection numbers (note - 4-man interchange bench named):

Glenelg - 6

Obviously this team isn't playing finals.

[Dogmatic]

Only 2 Doggies players and the Bays having 6 is a tad surprising?

LMAO - it only took one minute for that point to be raised!

It probably is surprising. There will also be the age old debate about whether the coach should be the premiership coach, or the minor round premier coach, or the coach who shows the most improvement, or the coach who does something else that is seen as special.

The Advertiser hasn't named their best umpires for 2010 either - should they do so?

Might be a carry over some years.

[Wedgie]

What's funny is that the same things are said in other team of the year threads, and a few by the same people!

2006: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4355
2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11130
2008: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18432
2009: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24937

Wedgie, Sturt had 7 players in the team of the year in 1975, but finished fourth.

Cheers mate!
We'll just have to relegate Glenelg to being the 2nd worst chokers in history.

[andyw]

[quote="spell_check"]Since 2006, this is the total number of players selected by club:
22 - Glenelg
20 - Sturt
14 - Central
13 - Eagles
13 - North
12 - Norwood
8 - Port
4 - South
4 - West

yeah, fair enough. What have the dogs done since 2006?
Obviously sturt and glenelg have much better players.
About as much credibility as the magarey,brownlow and individual stats!

[Squawk]

Bassett is the Coach of the Year, but I'd strongly argue that the fact he couldn't recruit should definitely not be a factor. The reason Norwood couldn't recruit is that they already had a stronger list than they should have had under the rules. It would be nonsensical to claim a disadvantage in not being able to strengthen a list already well over the cap.

Just a small point to clarify here R&B - the list would have been the same, not weaker, because the error related to how Doyle's payments were appropriated. He was an assistant ruck coach and should have been paid a greater percentage of his total receipts against that budget line rather then the player payments line.

As for not being able to recruit - I agree its probably incidental at best to use that as a big reason behind his selection, especially when it resulted from a league-imposed penalty, it wasn't a decision that was voluntary for some other reason. Overall, you could argue that the outcome has been a blessing in disguise because as a consequence, this year Bassett has debuted and selected a bunch of juniors (eg Gorringe, Ialleggio, Grigg, Roberts, Dalwood, Jonas, Georgiou, Shenton, Fuller, Evans, Stopp etc) who may not have had such opportunities in 2010 otherwise. When I say junior, I mean either age-wise or that they had very very few league games under their belts.

As for Roy, no one should lack respect for him. Nor should that respect be diminished just because he isn't coach of the year in 2010.

[redandblack]

I agree with all of that, Squawk.

I would point out, however, without wanting to restart the cap argument, that the money paid to Doyle for his onerous ruck coaching duties and not originally included, did assist in Norwood being able to recruit half of the old Sydney Swans team (albeit at bargain basement prices ).

Just joking, all the best for Sunday.

[FlyingHigh]

Reasonable effort except:
Red-hot Magarey favourite and subsequent winner starting on the bench
Only one ruckman?
Mills v Greiger?

[Squawk]

I agree with all of that, Squawk.

I would point out, however, without wanting to restart the cap argument, that the money paid to Doyle for his onerous ruck coaching duties and not originally included, did assist in Norwood being able to recruit half of the old Sydney Swans team (albeit at bargain basement prices ).

Just joking, all the best for Sunday.

Well we could have recruited more Swans if Doyle had been paid properly as an assistant ruck coach

[redandblack]

Perhaps you should have made Doyle fitness coach

[JK]

Coach of the Year is generally regarded as not necessarily solely judged on win/loss ratios, but more so by results against pre-season expectation. Roy Laird is obviously the most successful coach, but he battles the expectation that anything less than a premiership is a failure, as unfair as that may be.

On that basis, Nathan Bassett should be the Coach of the Year for the purposes of this discussion, just as the Premiership Coach is the Coach of the Year in reality when the season is over.

Bassett is the Coach of the Year, but I'd strongly argue that the fact he couldn't recruit should definitely not be a factor. The reason Norwood couldn't recruit is that they already had a stronger list than they should have had under the rules. It would be nonsensical to claim a disadvantage in not being able to strengthen a list already well over the cap.
However, his performance has been exceptional, as evidenced by the fact that almost everyone would have predicted Central to be in the Grand Final: very few would have said the same about Norwood.

Possibly true, RedandBlack, but with that same list last year, the team finished out of the finals. A great improvement to finish where they will this year.

Same list minus Vlatko, Littler, Jericho and Massie

[Big Phil]

Reasonable effort except:
Red-hot Magarey favourite and subsequent winner starting on the bench
Only one ruckman?
Mills v Greiger?

Could argue that Heath Lawry had just as good, if not better a season than those 2 lads, who I agree, both also had very good seasons...

[prowling panther]

Norwood 5, Centrals 2. This means that Norwood obviously have better players than Centrals and therefore should be firm favourites for the flag this Sunday.

Sounds logical to me.

[Squawk]

Coach of the Year is generally regarded as not necessarily solely judged on win/loss ratios, but more so by results against pre-season expectation. Roy Laird is obviously the most successful coach, but he battles the expectation that anything less than a premiership is a failure, as unfair as that may be.

On that basis, Nathan Bassett should be the Coach of the Year for the purposes of this discussion, just as the Premiership Coach is the Coach of the Year in reality when the season is over.

Bassett is the Coach of the Year, but I'd strongly argue that the fact he couldn't recruit should definitely not be a factor. The reason Norwood couldn't recruit is that they already had a stronger list than they should have had under the rules. It would be nonsensical to claim a disadvantage in not being able to strengthen a list already well over the cap.
However, his performance has been exceptional, as evidenced by the fact that almost everyone would have predicted Central to be in the Grand Final: very few would have said the same about Norwood.

Possibly true, RedandBlack, but with that same list last year, the team finished out of the finals. A great improvement to finish where they will this year.

Same list minus Vlatko, Littler, Jericho and Massie

Plus Jack Juniper and Peter Marshall and Panos all went as well

[Go Legs]

Norwood 5, Centrals 2. This means that Norwood obviously have better players than Centrals and therefore should be firm favourites for the flag this Sunday.

Tell him he is dreaming!!!!