FINALS 2010 - ALL grades

[frenzy]

What an absolute farce. Surely the SFL should be providing clubs/teams with a list of who is eligable to play sometime in grand final week??

So let me get this straight... Morphies have copped the same punishment a team would get for fielding a complete random ring in player (who may not even be U18) - when all we have done is play a kid who is U18 and has played at Morphies all year and we thought was eligable...???

Ridiculous SFL! Finally get some good press for a decently run GF day, then go back to be a laughing stock.

I wasn't going to post about this incident but I feel as though some of you have missed the point...

Firstly the SFL and all other Leagues have Qualifying Rules in place, some leagues have the same rules, others have different. But at the end of the day every league has a set of rules which are there to be adheared to.

In this case the M.Vale Football Club broke those rules (whether they knew it or not does not matter), and whether you agree with the rules or not does also not matter.

As for the post above... you say that 'all' Morphies have done is play a kid who you thought was eligable! All it would have taken was a simple phone call to Malcolm from the SFL to get a clarification on the ruling and he could have then and there stated that this played was infact not allowed to play in the final(s).

Lastly it is not the SFL's job to make sure that every single player that takes to the field week in week out is qualified as that would be a huge job, rather I beleive it comes down to the Team Manager & Coaching Staff of the team to identify the issue who would then take it to the SFL.

The way I see it, M.Vale broke the rules, they paid the ultimate price, but I don't see any justice in giving Cove the premiership. Should definately been a no result.

(Also in regards to technology to fix this problem, this could be implemented, but as the system the League uses now is proprietry it would cost a lot of money to develop, but I do see this as the ultimate solution for all of these type's of problems...)

The SFL must take some responisbility for this.

Nobody is denying from what i read that MVale have broken the rules - perhaps the SFL should follow their own constitution and give them the fine and disqualify them from any further part in finals - as the GF is done and dusted and this was NOT picked up by SFL when it rightly should have been - this is all that should be happening.

As for the SFL - if i was a MV player, parent or had any part in that team I would be seeking legal action against the SFL - emotional damages, defemation (are MV now going to be looked upon as cheats) and last but not least distress.

I REALLY HOPE THAT THE SFL GO AWAY AND CHANGE THEIR DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEAGUE.

[pale ale]

The league used to ask for team sheets on match days before the game started and checked player qualifications during finals that obviously doesnt happen anymore

[Wedgie]

It's thrown my tipping comp results into confusion. BASTARDS!

[The Note Book]

What an absolute farce. Surely the SFL should be providing clubs/teams with a list of who is eligable to play sometime in grand final week??

So let me get this straight... Morphies have copped the same punishment a team would get for fielding a complete random ring in player (who may not even be U18) - when all we have done is play a kid who is U18 and has played at Morphies all year and we thought was eligable...???

Ridiculous SFL! Finally get some good press for a decently run GF day, then go back to be a laughing stock.

I wasn't going to post about this incident but I feel as though some of you have missed the point...

Firstly the SFL and all other Leagues have Qualifying Rules in place, some leagues have the same rules, others have different. But at the end of the day every league has a set of rules which are there to be adheared to.

In this case the M.Vale Football Club broke those rules (whether they knew it or not does not matter), and whether you agree with the rules or not does also not matter.

As for the post above... you say that 'all' Morphies have done is play a kid who you thought was eligable! All it would have taken was a simple phone call to Malcolm from the SFL to get a clarification on the ruling and he could have then and there stated that this played was infact not allowed to play in the final(s).

Lastly it is not the SFL's job to make sure that every single player that takes to the field week in week out is qualified as that would be a huge job, rather I beleive it comes down to the Team Manager & Coaching Staff of the team to identify the issue who would then take it to the SFL.

The way I see it, M.Vale broke the rules, they paid the ultimate price, but I don't see any justice in giving Cove the premiership. Should definately been a no result.

(Also in regards to technology to fix this problem, this could be implemented, but as the system the League uses now is proprietry it would cost a lot of money to develop, but I do see this as the ultimate solution for all of these type's of problems...)

The SFL must take some responisbility for this.

Nobody is denying from what i read that MVale have broken the rules - perhaps the SFL should follow their own constitution and give them the fine and disqualify them from any further part in finals - as the GF is done and dusted and this was NOT picked up by SFL when it rightly should have been - this is all that should be happening.

As for the SFL - if i was a MV player, parent or had any part in that team I would be seeking legal action against the SFL - emotional damages, defemation (are MV now going to be looked upon as cheats) and last but not least distress.

I REALLY HOPE THAT THE SFL GO AWAY AND CHANGE THEIR DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEAGUE.

I actually feel for the young kid involved in all this. Whilst we all know that it is not his fault in any way what so ever (MV club, team manager, etc should and will take the blame), he surely would be feeling gutted about this...

[Cheese Twisties]

What an absolute farce. Surely the SFL should be providing clubs/teams with a list of who is eligable to play sometime in grand final week??

So let me get this straight... Morphies have copped the same punishment a team would get for fielding a complete random ring in player (who may not even be U18) - when all we have done is play a kid who is U18 and has played at Morphies all year and we thought was eligable...???

Ridiculous SFL! Finally get some good press for a decently run GF day, then go back to be a laughing stock.

I wasn't going to post about this incident but I feel as though some of you have missed the point...

Firstly the SFL and all other Leagues have Qualifying Rules in place, some leagues have the same rules, others have different. But at the end of the day every league has a set of rules which are there to be adheared to.

In this case the M.Vale Football Club broke those rules (whether they knew it or not does not matter), and whether you agree with the rules or not does also not matter.

As for the post above... you say that 'all' Morphies have done is play a kid who you thought was eligable! All it would have taken was a simple phone call to Malcolm from the SFL to get a clarification on the ruling and he could have then and there stated that this played was infact not allowed to play in the final(s).

Lastly it is not the SFL's job to make sure that every single player that takes to the field week in week out is qualified as that would be a huge job, rather I beleive it comes down to the Team Manager & Coaching Staff of the team to identify the issue who would then take it to the SFL.

The way I see it, M.Vale broke the rules, they paid the ultimate price, but I don't see any justice in giving Cove the premiership. Should definately been a no result.

(Also in regards to technology to fix this problem, this could be implemented, but as the system the League uses now is proprietry it would cost a lot of money to develop, but I do see this as the ultimate solution for all of these type's of problems...)

No-one expects the SFL to do bugger all during the season (and by large they dont) but for the finals it should be a bit different! Surely all these team sheets that get filled in every week are used for nothing more than for the SFL to establish who is eligable to play in the finals and who is not. This info should be used BEFORE the finals (each final if necesery) to tell clubs who can play - not afterwards as a mechanism to punish clubs! Should any team who loses a GF (not saying Cove were the complainants here) ask the SFL to check into the other team from now on? Because it seems the SFL will have NO IDEA who is elligable to play - unless they are asked to check in to it AFTER the grand final!

[Zelezny Chucks]

What an absolute farce. Surely the SFL should be providing clubs/teams with a list of who is eligable to play sometime in grand final week??

So let me get this straight... Morphies have copped the same punishment a team would get for fielding a complete random ring in player (who may not even be U18) - when all we have done is play a kid who is U18 and has played at Morphies all year and we thought was eligable...???

Ridiculous SFL! Finally get some good press for a decently run GF day, then go back to be a laughing stock.

I wasn't going to post about this incident but I feel as though some of you have missed the point...

Firstly the SFL and all other Leagues have Qualifying Rules in place, some leagues have the same rules, others have different. But at the end of the day every league has a set of rules which are there to be adheared to.

In this case the M.Vale Football Club broke those rules (whether they knew it or not does not matter), and whether you agree with the rules or not does also not matter.

As for the post above... you say that 'all' Morphies have done is play a kid who you thought was eligable! All it would have taken was a simple phone call to Malcolm from the SFL to get a clarification on the ruling and he could have then and there stated that this played was infact not allowed to play in the final(s).

Lastly it is not the SFL's job to make sure that every single player that takes to the field week in week out is qualified as that would be a huge job, rather I beleive it comes down to the Team Manager & Coaching Staff of the team to identify the issue who would then take it to the SFL.

The way I see it, M.Vale broke the rules, they paid the ultimate price, but I don't see any justice in giving Cove the premiership. Should definately been a no result.

(Also in regards to technology to fix this problem, this could be implemented, but as the system the League uses now is proprietry it would cost a lot of money to develop, but I do see this as the ultimate solution for all of these type's of problems...)

Haven't missed the point at all. Understand that the rule as it stands was broken, I take issue with the rule in the first place as it stops kids playing football. If our B Grade hadn't have been playing he wouldn't have played as per our understanding of the qualification.

Why does the rule not count for Juniors?

Your argument that it is not upto the league to find out is bollocks as well. Whose onus is it then? They are running this shambles.

As Axel stated one of our B Grade players was ruled out through suspension the week of the GF and could not physically be picked on the website. Why was this not the case for the player in question if he was ineligible?

[AFLflyer]

It's thrown my tipping comp results into confusion. BASTARDS!

stick with the original winner for sure..
what happens with the result if cove dont accept the premiership!! they dont wnat it this way, it's a certain no result wedgie

which still gives me 2/3

[reppoh_eht]

What an absolute farce. Surely the SFL should be providing clubs/teams with a list of who is eligable to play sometime in grand final week??

So let me get this straight... Morphies have copped the same punishment a team would get for fielding a complete random ring in player (who may not even be U18) - when all we have done is play a kid who is U18 and has played at Morphies all year and we thought was eligable...???

Ridiculous SFL! Finally get some good press for a decently run GF day, then go back to be a laughing stock.

I wasn't going to post about this incident but I feel as though some of you have missed the point...

Firstly the SFL and all other Leagues have Qualifying Rules in place, some leagues have the same rules, others have different. But at the end of the day every league has a set of rules which are there to be adheared to.

In this case the M.Vale Football Club broke those rules (whether they knew it or not does not matter), and whether you agree with the rules or not does also not matter.

As for the post above... you say that 'all' Morphies have done is play a kid who you thought was eligable! All it would have taken was a simple phone call to Malcolm from the SFL to get a clarification on the ruling and he could have then and there stated that this played was infact not allowed to play in the final(s).

Lastly it is not the SFL's job to make sure that every single player that takes to the field week in week out is qualified as that would be a huge job, rather I beleive it comes down to the Team Manager & Coaching Staff of the team to identify the issue who would then take it to the SFL.

The way I see it, M.Vale broke the rules, they paid the ultimate price, but I don't see any justice in giving Cove the premiership. Should definately been a no result.

(Also in regards to technology to fix this problem, this could be implemented, but as the system the League uses now is proprietry it would cost a lot of money to develop, but I do see this as the ultimate solution for all of these type's of problems...)

The SFL must take some responisbility for this.

Nobody is denying from what i read that MVale have broken the rules - perhaps the SFL should follow their own constitution and give them the fine and disqualify them from any further part in finals - as the GF is done and dusted and this was NOT picked up by SFL when it rightly should have been - this is all that should be happening.

As for the SFL - if i was a MV player, parent or had any part in that team I would be seeking legal action against the SFL - emotional damages, defemation (are MV now going to be looked upon as cheats) and last but not least distress.

I REALLY HOPE THAT THE SFL GO AWAY AND CHANGE THEIR DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEAGUE.

Your kidding yourself aren't you? The SFL should take some responsability yes, but these guys put in tireless hours of hard work so that thousands of people can enjoy what the SFL is! If you think that they should take legal action etc against the league then go ahead, but make sure you have a couple of hundred thousand dollars in your wallet so you can start up your own football league next season!

And as for M.Vale being known as cheats... I hate all clubs with a passion except for the one I play at, but in this instance M.Vale did break the rules, hence they cheated, hence they will be known as cheaters... (I'm only making a point here and I'm fairly certain that this incident will be well forgotten within the SFL in the near future, besides to M.Vale. And it will hardly change anyones opinion of M.Vale as a club).

[AFLflyer]

This makes for an interesting debate from here.. i think we need a POLL.

good friday reading.

[Down the Hill]

I feel very sorry for MV and it does seem harsh, however I suppose the rules for junior finals qualifications does ensure that the lads who get you to the finals are the ones who then try and win you the flag. If clubs could openly drop age eligible players back from seniors then coaches who want to bathe in premiership glory and throw procedural fairness out the window will be hard to control.

MV also played 4 Under 16 lads in their GF team. Yes they were eligible to play the higher age group but did these lads and the unqualified player displace lads who had played in the team during the year. At the stronger clubs, the best 4 or 5 Under 16 players would be better than the last 4 or 5 picked in the Under 18's each week. Does this mean if your Under 16's get eliminated in the Prelim we pick the best ones for the Under 18 GF and tell the Under 18 battlers that they are being dropped for the GF.

I also believe that another gun player was dubiously qualified by the MV Under 18's but because another club caught wind of what was going on MV didn't play him in the finals. The MV Under 18 coach has been a wonderful servant to his club and done some terrific work with the juniors, but did he allow his judgement to be clouded in his search for the holy grail.

Maybe Cyclops may like to comment.

[watchdog]

Why was the kid ineligible? Cause he olnly played 3 minor round u/18 games?

[Dig]

they can't award Cove with the premiership when they didn't win it!
goodluck getting the premiership medals back from the boys, and what's the bet that some of them have already gone and got premiership ink!
surely a fine or no result is the only sensible outcome

[AFLflyer]

I feel very sorry for MV and it does seem harsh, however I suppose the rules for junior finals qualifications does ensure that the lads who get you to the finals are the ones who then try and win you the flag. If clubs could openly drop age eligible players back from seniors then coaches who want to bathe in premiership glory and throw procedural fairness out the window will be hard to control.

MV also played 4 Under 16 lads in their GF team. Yes they were eligible to play the higher age group but did these lads and the unqualified player displace lads who had played in the team during the year. At the stronger clubs, the best 4 or 5 Under 16 players would be better than the last 4 or 5 picked in the Under 18's each week. Does this mean if your Under 16's get eliminated in the Prelim we pick the best ones for the Under 18 GF and tell the Under 18 battlers that they are being dropped for the GF.

I also believe that another gun player was dubiously qualified by the MV Under 18's but because another club caught wind of what was going on MV didn't play him in the finals. The MV Under 18 coach has been a wonderful servant to his club and done some terrific work with the juniors, but did he allow his judgement to be clouded in his search for the holy grail.

Maybe Cyclops may like to comment.

good points here DTH. So it seems many regular round players would have missed the big game then, this is dissapointing if the case. They are the ones who put in the hard yards all year only to be dumped come finals.. hardly seems fair, although this does happen in most clubs in different ways.
Not sure about the young u16's coming up, this doesnt seem right to me.

[KungFu Panda]

Very disapointing situation indeed.I tend to agree,why the hell do clubs submit a team sheet each week?.Surely its to make sure every player is registered to play at that club and then tally it on to every players career games total.So therefore when finals come along the league then has history on all players eligable or not to play in that week of finals.It cant be that hard half the teams in the league dont play finals,so its down to 8 teams to sort out in week one and 4 in week 2 and 3 and 2 week 4(in each grade).how the league can not gather information then relay that back to the clubs is beyond me.
The rules are rules and they have been broken.Fair enough.But if it dosent change what will happen is any kid that is asked to come up to play seniors will decline in fear they wont be allowed to go back and play with his mates at finals time.If a kids good enough to play seniors all year and then they get knocked out and his age group is still in we should all be encouraging the kid to come back down and play with his mates and show what hes learnt playing up against men,its called developing players.
Shite rule,needs changing

[Zelezny Chucks]

Very disapointing situation indeed.I tend to agree,why the hell do clubs submit a team sheet each week?.Surely its to make sure every player is registered to play at that club and then tally it on to every players career games total.So therefore when finals come along the league then has history on all players eligable or not to play in that week of finals.It cant be that hard half the teams in the league dont play finals,so its down to 8 teams to sort out in week one and 4 in week 2 and 3 and 2 week 4(in each grade).how the league can not gather information then relay that back to the clubs is beyond me.
The rules are rules and they have been broken.Fair enough.But if it dosent change what will happen is any kid that is asked to come up to play seniors will decline in fear they wont be allowed to go back and play with his mates at finals time.If a kids good enough to play seniors all year and then they get knocked out and his age group is still in we should all be encouraging the kid to come back down and play with his mates and show what hes learnt playing up against men,its called developing players.Shite rule,needs changing

We have no problem with the fact that if all senior teams were knocked out he wouldn't have been able to play as is the case with A B and C grade but why does it not apply between seniors and juniors? As you say it will just stop kids trying to better themselves through fear of being left stranded.

[KungFu Panda]

Very disapointing situation indeed.I tend to agree,why the hell do clubs submit a team sheet each week?.Surely its to make sure every player is registered to play at that club and then tally it on to every players career games total.So therefore when finals come along the league then has history on all players eligable or not to play in that week of finals.It cant be that hard half the teams in the league dont play finals,so its down to 8 teams to sort out in week one and 4 in week 2 and 3 and 2 week 4(in each grade).how the league can not gather information then relay that back to the clubs is beyond me.
The rules are rules and they have been broken.Fair enough.But if it dosent change what will happen is any kid that is asked to come up to play seniors will decline in fear they wont be allowed to go back and play with his mates at finals time.If a kids good enough to play seniors all year and then they get knocked out and his age group is still in we should all be encouraging the kid to come back down and play with his mates and show what hes learnt playing up against men,its called developing players.Shite rule,needs changing

We have no problem with the fact that if all senior teams were knocked out he wouldn't have been able to play as is the case with A B and C grade but why does it not apply between seniors and juniors? As you say it will just stop kids trying to better themselves through fear of being left stranded.

Thats right not talking about A graders getting dropped back to B grade to pinch a flag.More so kids footy let the kid play as high a grade as his ablity lets him and if come finals his senior team is knocked out let him play for his age group.Hes played at said club all year whats the big deal

T

[White Line Fever]

This makes for an interesting debate from here.. i think we need a POLL.

good friday reading.

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Go your hardest

[AFLflyer]

This makes for an interesting debate from here.. i think we need a POLL.

good friday reading.

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30297

Go your hardest

nice work.

[Pommy Git]

Cant believe the SFL is so unprofessional

Am I right by saying that M/Vale asked a SFL Director if he could play and he said yes

If so what happens to this Director now

To Cove do you want the premiership or do you want a replay without the so called unqualified player who surely didnt make that much difference.

Who was this SFL Director?
Under what rule has the SFL stripped the premiership from MVFC?
As I understand it MVFC have played and won 3 finals that they shouldn't have.
How could the flag possibly be awarded to Cove?

[vics01]

First and foremost the big loser here is football.

I doubt that anyone from Cove would want the game awarded to Cove.

The rule is very clear. It was tigtened a few years ago after a club (u18) were caught dodgying the team sheets for kids who had been playing at SANFL clubs. It also takes into account that College kids must play six games at their club, rather than just come back at finals time. It also takes the dual teams into consideration. It stops the clubs with dual teams loading up Sunday teams at finals time if the Saturday sides gets knocked out or does not make the finals. For some reason some people rather than developing kids just want to win at all costs, so there needs to be a rule to stop loading of sides for the self gratification of some coaches and parents.

It is a hard one even during the Home and Away Season a Sunday u14 team got caught out playing unqualified/unregistered player in order to load up a team just make finals.

The rule should however be modified to allow kids that play senior footy at their club to come back to their age group if not required in the seniors or the seniors knocked out. We should be encouraging kids to play as high as they can.

If we dont have rules we have anarchy.

JUNIORS
i) To be eligible to play in the f inals of an age group, a play er sha ll have played six ( 6) matches in
that age group, wi th that club dur ing the season, in e ither or both the Saturday or Sunday
competit ion – this excl udes t he 10 nom inated Saturday pl ayers, who wi ll be ineligible to play
Sunday competit ion in their age group after th e nom inated round s pecif ied by the Board of
Directors each year. This doe s not preclude a ju nior player from p laying in a h igher grade.
ii) Junior player/s can onl y play for either th eir S.F. L. Club or a SANFL Club at U nder
16’s or a higher level, on any given weekend
iii) A Saturday junior age group pla yer will be ineligible to play in finals of the Sunday
Competition if the player plays more tha n the st ipulated number of matches (10) in the Saturday
competit ion.