Is the SANFL doomed???

[smac]

SACA is going to let the SANFL keep all the money made from football made on the oval they own. Without getting any cut at all ??????? Thats not what i have heard as SACA is forecasting extra revenue from afl being played at Adelaide Oval.

If the SANFL is 100% committed for this to happen.

Why did they give the Labour gov 3 alternate venues six months ago they wanted to build.

If the SANFL sells West lakes and move to a new city stadium without SACAs involvement.
How would that be losing control of their destiny ?????

Or are people threatening to take the decision out of SANFL hands.

SOmething doesnt make sense yet again just my opinion.

In order asked:

1. SACA will have increased revenue through the SMA activities, not through football.

2. 6 months ago is not now, many things change in that time.

3. If SANFL did this, they would be funding the shortfall of $x00m themselves as selling AAMI would go nowhere near paying for a new inner city stadium. That's a long way from eing in control of yourself I would have thought.

[birdmanptr]

The SANFL has been dying for years

Why were crowds down on Sunday cause what we have is 4 teams playing a kinda round robin to see who loses to Centrals in the GF.Good luck to CDFC they are a super power but when they win it again this year next year the SANFL will die a bit more.

Centrals win Sunday and they will need bay covers GF day For the sake of the SANFL they have to miss out on playing the GF for CDFC sake i hope they keep powering on.

The crowd wasn't down on Sunday! I think it was below most expectations, but not down. Especially as the "big crowd" pullers in Glenelg, Norwood and Sturt were playing. It was larger than 06,05 and about 40 short of 07. Most of these comparable years were at Adelaide oval as well, which many try to argue attracts a larger crowd.
I guess the Crows and Power having a drop in crowds is Centrals fault as well.
If the internet were around during the periods of Sturts and Ports dominance I wonder what would've been posted.

Great come back

Any way when was the last time a side played in and won 11 straight Second semis,When was the last time a side played in 11 straight GFs winning 9.I have not missed a SANFL Gf in years safe to say Glenelg wont be there this year so if Centrals are i aint going.Went last year and it was not even a contest.

The thread asked if the SANFL was doomed i say it is while we have one side as dominant as we have.They have won 7/9 this year will make it 8/10 when was the last time the game was still alive at the start of the last 1/4

[Royal City]

SACA is going to let the SANFL keep all the money made from football made on the oval they own. Without getting any cut at all ??????? Thats not what i have heard as SACA is forecasting extra revenue from afl being played at Adelaide Oval.

If the SANFL is 100% committed for this to happen.

Why did they give the Labour gov 3 alternate venues six months ago they wanted to build.

If the SANFL sells West lakes and move to a new city stadium without SACAs involvement.
How would that be losing control of their destiny ?????

Or are people threatening to take the decision out of SANFL hands.

SOmething doesnt make sense yet again just my opinion.

In order asked:

1. SACA will have increased revenue through the SMA activities, not through football.

2. 6 months ago is not now, many things change in that time.

3. If SANFL did this, they would be funding the shortfall of $x00m themselves as selling AAMI would go nowhere near paying for a new inner city stadium. That's a long way from eing in control of yourself I would have thought.

So 6 months ago The SANFL wanted any of 3 new stadiums built and didnt want to move to Adelaide oval. But now the projected figures have changed so much in their favour in 6 months the SANFL have simply now had a massive 180 degree change of heart??


So who will pay off the $1 billion debt smac(honest question mate) SANFL/SACA 50% each. SMA / State Gov ??????

And how much will "EXPENDITURE" increase.

Cos we have heard about an increase in revenue. But an increase in revenue does not automatically make it more profitable.

Profit = revenue - expenditure.

And the AFL loves to talk increase revenue but never expenditure/debt eg. Port Adelaide financials.

Can I ask have you seen these figures smac ????? Hope Im not offending you by asking these questions smac, I am just genuinely curious.

[Royal City]

The SANFL has been dying for years

Why were crowds down on Sunday cause what we have is 4 teams playing a kinda round robin to see who loses to Centrals in the GF.Good luck to CDFC they are a super power but when they win it again this year next year the SANFL will die a bit more.

Centrals win Sunday and they will need bay covers GF day For the sake of the SANFL they have to miss out on playing the GF for CDFC sake i hope they keep powering on.

The crowd wasn't down on Sunday! I think it was below most expectations, but not down. Especially as the "big crowd" pullers in Glenelg, Norwood and Sturt were playing. It was larger than 06,05 and about 40 short of 07. Most of these comparable years were at Adelaide oval as well, which many try to argue attracts a larger crowd.
I guess the Crows and Power having a drop in crowds is Centrals fault as well.
If the internet were around during the periods of Sturts and Ports dominance I wonder what would've been posted.

Great come back

Any way when was the last time a side played in and won 11 straight Second semis,When was the last time a side played in 11 straight GFs winning 9.I have not missed a SANFL Gf in years safe to say Glenelg wont be there this year so if Centrals are i aint going.Went last year and it was not even a contest.

The thread asked if the SANFL was doomed i say it is while we have one side as dominant as we have.They have won 7/9 this year will make it 8/10 when was the last time the game was still alive at the start of the last 1/4

SOUR GRAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont forget to pick up your dummy on the way out.

[sjt]

The SANFL has been dying for years
Why were crowds down on Sunday cause what we have is 4 teams playing a kinda round robin to see who loses to Centrals in the GF.Good luck to CDFC they are a super power but when they win it again this year next year the SANFL will die a bit more.

Centrals win Sunday and they will need bay covers GF day For the sake of the SANFL they have to miss out on playing the GF for CDFC sake i hope they keep powering on.

The crowd wasn't down on Sunday! I think it was below most expectations, but not down. Especially as the "big crowd" pullers in Glenelg, Norwood and Sturt were playing. It was larger than 06,05 and about 40 short of 07. Most of these comparable years were at Adelaide oval as well, which many try to argue attracts a larger crowd.
I guess the Crows and Power having a drop in crowds is Centrals fault as well.
If the internet were around during the periods of Sturts and Ports dominance I wonder what would've been posted.

Great come back
Any way when was the last time a side played in and won 11 straight Second semis,When was the last time a side played in 11 straight GFs winning 9.I have not missed a SANFL Gf in years safe to say Glenelg wont be there this year so if Centrals are i aint going.Went last year and it was not even a contest.
The thread asked if the SANFL was doomed i say it is while we have one side as dominant as we have.They have won 7/9 this year will make it 8/10 when was the last time the game was still alive at the start of the last 1/4

To the first part, never has a side played and won 11 straight second semis. I don't think a side has ever played in 11 straight GF's winning 9. Still haven't, yet.
Probably 2008, CD 5.4 to Glenelg 4;6 (but that was half time) .

[birdmanptr]

The SANFL has been dying for years

Why were crowds down on Sunday cause what we have is 4 teams playing a kinda round robin to see who loses to Centrals in the GF.Good luck to CDFC they are a super power but when they win it again this year next year the SANFL will die a bit more.

Centrals win Sunday and they will need bay covers GF day For the sake of the SANFL they have to miss out on playing the GF for CDFC sake i hope they keep powering on.

The crowd wasn't down on Sunday! I think it was below most expectations, but not down. Especially as the "big crowd" pullers in Glenelg, Norwood and Sturt were playing. It was larger than 06,05 and about 40 short of 07. Most of these comparable years were at Adelaide oval as well, which many try to argue attracts a larger crowd.
I guess the Crows and Power having a drop in crowds is Centrals fault as well.
If the internet were around during the periods of Sturts and Ports dominance I wonder what would've been posted.

Great come back

Any way when was the last time a side played in and won 11 straight Second semis,When was the last time a side played in 11 straight GFs winning 9.I have not missed a SANFL Gf in years safe to say Glenelg wont be there this year so if Centrals are i aint going.Went last year and it was not even a contest.

The thread asked if the SANFL was doomed i say it is while we have one side as dominant as we have.They have won 7/9 this year will make it 8/10 when was the last time the game was still alive at the start of the last 1/4

SOUR GRAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont forget to pick up your dummy on the way out.

How is it sour grapes Good luck to centrals hope they keep winning.Dont bother me

[birdmanptr]

The SANFL has been dying for years
Why were crowds down on Sunday cause what we have is 4 teams playing a kinda round robin to see who loses to Centrals in the GF.Good luck to CDFC they are a super power but when they win it again this year next year the SANFL will die a bit more.

Centrals win Sunday and they will need bay covers GF day For the sake of the SANFL they have to miss out on playing the GF for CDFC sake i hope they keep powering on.

The crowd wasn't down on Sunday! I think it was below most expectations, but not down. Especially as the "big crowd" pullers in Glenelg, Norwood and Sturt were playing. It was larger than 06,05 and about 40 short of 07. Most of these comparable years were at Adelaide oval as well, which many try to argue attracts a larger crowd.
I guess the Crows and Power having a drop in crowds is Centrals fault as well.
If the internet were around during the periods of Sturts and Ports dominance I wonder what would've been posted.

Great come back
Any way when was the last time a side played in and won 11 straight Second semis,When was the last time a side played in 11 straight GFs winning 9.I have not missed a SANFL Gf in years safe to say Glenelg wont be there this year so if Centrals are i aint going.Went last year and it was not even a contest.
The thread asked if the SANFL was doomed i say it is while we have one side as dominant as we have.They have won 7/9 this year will make it 8/10 when was the last time the game was still alive at the start of the last 1/4

To the first part, never has a side played and won 11 straight second semis. I don't think a side has ever played in 11 straight GF's winning 9. Still haven't, yet.
Probably 2008, CD 5.4 to Glenelg 4;6 (but that was half time) .

Well Centrals are in their 11th straight 2nd semi and when they win it will be 11 straight GFs.

Nothing any one can do maybe the Crows need a reserve side that might help but then again that would only be a short term fix.

Once again to answer the thread title
I THINK the SANFL is doomed

[smac]

So 6 months ago The SANFL wanted any of 3 new stadiums built and didnt want to move to Adelaide oval. But now the projected figures have changed so much in their favour in 6 months the SANFL have simply now had a massive 180 degree change of heart??

In simplistic terms, yes. All options were researched by SANFL and the AO option was clearly to best. Not a change of heart as such, more like they convinced themselves of the best path to take.

So who will pay off the $1 billion debt smac(honest question mate) SANFL/SACA 50% each. SMA / State Gov ??????

What $1b debt? At this stage the only debt is that of SACA which will be cleared (give or take a few bob) upon receipt of the $85m State Govt funding as reimbursement for handing over their assets (existing AO infrastructure, largely the new Western Grandstand).

And how much will "EXPENDITURE" increase.
Cos we have heard about an increase in revenue. But an increase in revenue does not automatically make it more profitable.
Profit = revenue - expenditure.
And the AFL loves to talk increase revenue but never expenditure/debt eg. Port Adelaide financials.

I am sure given the additional functionality of the proposed AO redevelopment that expenditure to manage AO will increase; however the sharing of that expenditure via the SMA will offset this - one set of ground staff, one set of catering staff, one of all the other common functions to manage an oval.

Can I ask have you seen these figures smac ????? Hope Im not offending you by asking these questions smac, I am just genuinely curious.

No, I haven't seen exact figures but I have sat through enough briefings to have a good idea of where it all stands at the minute.

No offense taken.

[Royal City]

Very spectical on some of these figures is all I can say smac.

Originally it was an 80% increase in membership for PAFC.

Then it went to 23% increase on season ticket holders(which they only have 13,500)

Which is essentially an extra 3000 season tickets.

Now we are hearing about "revenue" increases. And when some hear "increase in revenue" they automatically assume "increase in profits" which is simply not the case.

And its even been qutoed in the Advertiser "the SANFL will be $8 mill better off". No they will increase revenue by $8 mill we havent heard about expenditure increases yet. Seeing as the SANFL will still have to operate at Football park plus now contirubte to the SMA for the running of Adelaide Oval.

Would love to have a look at these proposed figures.

Thanks for your help SMAC.

[LPH]

I'm still at a loss as to understanding how the 'wonderful move to Adelaide Oval' FIXES the problem.

It appears that the 2 AFL clubs are the 'cash cow' that keeps the SANFL alive & in it's current form.

I find it difficult to fathom, that moving Port & Adelaide to Adelaide Oval, will somehow make everything OK.

Make no mistake... The AFL, State Govt., Adelaide City Council, SANFL, SACA, Power & Crows ... will ALL want to RECOUP or gain money from the move. The cynic in me would suggest that the CAR PARKING FEES will be massive, as will the cost of food & drink. These things alone will keep people away over time.

Add to that, the player drain over the next few years ( GC & GWS ) - I can forsee BOTH local AFL teams being midtable for many years to come - this too will impact on crowds & revenue.

Therefore, I go back to the original statement... What is the MASTER PLAN that the SANFL & Payze have for our SANFL Competition??? Is there one ???

[therisingblues]

I think that if the SANFL was invaded by hordes of Mongols on horseback that Footy Park would be the only place they could feasibly defend themselves. At Adelaide Oval they would be able to sneak right up to the very gates under the cover of trees, the SANFL would become a vacant entity before they even knew there were thousands of blood thirsty savages pouring over the walls. At Footy Park they would see them approaching from afar and could easily respond with catapult loads of burning pitch and Greek fire.
Surely any short term "profits" the SANFL has projected would surely be outweighed by the inevitable higher cost of car parking, foods and drinks and invasions of Mongolian horsemen?

[sjt]

I think that if the SANFL was invaded by hordes of Mongols on horseback that Footy Park would be the only place they could feasibly defend themselves. At Adelaide Oval they would be able to sneak right up to the very gates under the cover of trees, the SANFL would become a vacant entity before they even knew there were thousands of blood thirsty savages pouring over the walls. At Footy Park they would see them approaching from afar and could easily respond with catapult loads of burning pitch and Greek fire.
Surely any short term "profits" the SANFL has projected would surely be outweighed by the inevitable higher cost of car parking, foods and drinks and invasions of Mongolian horsemen?

Friday work drinks started early?

[Mark_Beswick]

If its so profitable, then the SMA and Govt wouldn't have an issue with the SANFL sigining a 5 year deal for AFC and PAFC. If the figures do stack up, then they can sign on for another 10 or so years - If the figures are bogus, we can retreat to Footy Pk.

It has been suggested the AFL was courted by Cricket Australia to get SANFL to move to AO so the SACA debt could be removed. In return, the SCG and MCG would change their Stadium Contract deal for AFL clubs.... Is there anything to this conspiracy theory - Who knows, but I am certain the figures propogated to the media and fans are partial. Would love to see them tested by an indpendent agency

[smac]

CA has very little (if not none at all) influence over MCG Trust, SCG Trust or any State Association. I doubt there would be much in that at all.

[Aerie]

I think that if the SANFL was invaded by hordes of Mongols on horseback that Footy Park would be the only place they could feasibly defend themselves. At Adelaide Oval they would be able to sneak right up to the very gates under the cover of trees, the SANFL would become a vacant entity before they even knew there were thousands of blood thirsty savages pouring over the walls. At Footy Park they would see them approaching from afar and could easily respond with catapult loads of burning pitch and Greek fire.
Surely any short term "profits" the SANFL has projected would surely be outweighed by the inevitable higher cost of car parking, foods and drinks and invasions of Mongolian horsemen?

They have actually thought about this. With the natural defence of the river on the southern side, they will dig around the Adelaide Oval to create a moat and install seeing eyes and a 360 degree neck (Exorcist style) on Colonel Light to look out for said Mongolian horsemen. There is also a longer term plan to bring to life all city statues (which can double as defence against the Mongolian Horsemen and security against those car jacking punks).

There are just two issues that they face. Funding - apparently this wasn't budgeted for in the original plan - and also prevention of weir gates being opened and the water being let out again, which would render the moat useless.

[Dutchy]

One thing I would look at is dropping the weekly training load for SANFL players. Footballers at this level train almost as hard as their AFL counterparts, for little financial reward and they've still got to put in a full working day. It's the main reason why blokes who have given up the AFL dream head off to the country or to the ammos.

Exactly why the 9 teams in the SANFL with a bye isnt as big an issue as most make it out to be. In fact its a positive as some players will play on longer knowing they will have a few weeks off a year during the season

[Barto]

One thing I would look at is dropping the weekly training load for SANFL players. Footballers at this level train almost as hard as their AFL counterparts, for little financial reward and they've still got to put in a full working day. It's the main reason why blokes who have given up the AFL dream head off to the country or to the ammos.

Exactly why the 9 teams in the SANFL with a bye isnt as big an issue as most make it out to be. In fact its a positive as some players will play on longer knowing they will have a few weeks off a year during the season

Which clubs actually give their players a weekend off instead of having an internal trial or training run?

FWIW: a week off wont initiate deconditioning in a trained athlete.

[am Bays]

One thing I would look at is dropping the weekly training load for SANFL players. Footballers at this level train almost as hard as their AFL counterparts, for little financial reward and they've still got to put in a full working day. It's the main reason why blokes who have given up the AFL dream head off to the country or to the ammos.

Exactly why the 9 teams in the SANFL with a bye isnt as big an issue as most make it out to be. In fact its a positive as some players will play on longer knowing they will have a few weeks off a year during the season

Which clubs actually give their players a weekend off instead of having an internal trial or training run?

FWIW: a week off wont initiate deconditioning in a trained athlete.

Glenelg don't train over the weekend of the bye - generally give the players a chance to go back home (country or interstate) or watch their local teams. Go away freshen up etc etc.

[Barto]

Glenelg don't train over the weekend of the bye - generally give the players a chance to go back home (country or interstate) or watch their local teams. Go away freshen up etc etc.

Good on 'em and look where they currently are. Not 100% sure about Sturt but as far as I knew, there was training on the bye weekends.

[smac]

Dogs have always given the players opportunity to freshen up in bye weekends, other than in finals of course!