Crows/Power reserves sides in SANFL

[MightyEagles]

Heard on the weekend Sydney Swans play 16 players on the field in the Canberra league, can anyone confirm?

If they want to do this do it in the SANFL reserves, dont touch the league...

I thought that it was the NSW league that Sydney players play in.

[oldfella]

Were this to go ahead then I presume we would be a 10 team competition but may stay at 9 with the Crows amalgamating with an existing SANFL club.

Raises some questions?

Will these two AFL reserves side that are in fact also SANFL league sides have a reserves, U18 & junior development program.

How will the salary cap & player # be equalized.

Will these two clubs receive SANFL end of season pay outs or will costs be borne by the AFL team.

How will we ensure that the SANFL (and other clubs) will not be paying all running costs for these 2 AFL reserve/SANFL League teams via handouts to the 2 AFL clubs by the SANFL.

Surely association with the 2 AFL clubs give an advantage to recruiting of top up player

There is a hundred more questions that could be asked but this is enough for this time.

On face value it seems an easy idea but there is much that needs to be considered so we do not repeat the WAFL experience with the West Coast.

[jim5112]

I have not seen any evidence that having a reserves team is of any advantage. Mick Malthouse thinks Collingwood have that as an advantage over West Coast, but he had a better record at West Coast than Collingwood -- he is 0/10 for premierships, he was 2/10 at West Coast.

If they play SANFL games, they play against serious opponents who are trying to win, rather than trying to be noticed in a reserves team.

If they really must have reserves teams, let them play in the VFL -- that's already stuffed.

[redden whites]

I understand what you're saying, but the league was right, Adelaide City / Juventus / West Adelaide / Hellas did not represent me, they represented the Italian and Greek communities.

If they want to have Adelaide City / Juventus for example, go for it, but then I want a Coventry City or Wycombe Wanderers to follow

So you would go to barrack for Adelaide White Skins but not Adelaide Olive skins????
I am as white as Daniel Wicks and never missed an Adelaide City in 6 years.......I am thankfull I saw a monster of at side.
I have been to 3 A-league games .Scott Mcbain on the mic in the centre of the pitch pregame A clown roaming the terraces during the game clueless fans there for the sing-a-long . Manufactured artificial sports fans come on down.

apologies for going of thread( sure Wedgie won't mind )

[mighty_tiger_79]

I understand what you're saying, but the league was right, Adelaide City / Juventus / West Adelaide / Hellas did not represent me, they represented the Italian and Greek communities.

If they want to have Adelaide City / Juventus for example, go for it, but then I want a Coventry City or Wycombe Wanderers to follow

So you would go to barrack for Adelaide White Skins but not Adelaide Olive skins????
I am as white as Daniel Wicks and never missed an Adelaide City in 6 years.......I am thankfull I saw a monster of at side.
I have been to 3 A-league games .Scott Mcbain on the mic in the centre of the pitch pregame A clown roaming the terraces during the game clueless fans there for the sing-a-long manufactured artificial sports fans come on down.

apologies for going of thread( sure Wedgie won't mind )

you havent been to noarlunga oval recently???

[redden whites]

you havent been to noarlunga oval recently???

[Aerie]

They'd need another 30 players from somewhere to have enough players for a squad. Can't see it working without causing problems for our SANFL.

[mighty_tiger_79]

They'd need another 30 players from somewhere to have enough players for a squad. Can't see it working without causing problems for our SANFL.

also you can see that the new teams in the AFL will diminish the quality of that comp, we cant have that happening to the SANFL, or it will become an amateur league

[spell_check]

It's already diminished enough, which is why I think we should go to 16 a side because the two new AFL teams won't make it any easier. But that won't happen of course.

[RM]

I cant believe people even read the crap from that Advertiser reporter. Turn to 5AA and hear his voice and then turn the radio off.

Its about time the media bosses start to realise he is hurting not only ratings on radio but sales of the Advertiser.

[Lynwood]

It's already diminished enough, which is why I think we should go to 16 a side because the two new AFL teams won't make it any easier. But that won't happen of course.

I know it is not ideal but it may be worth a look into the future. I know there has been talk over the years of a pre season comp. might be worht trailing or even at a reserves or U18's level.

[Psyber]

I don't think the Crows particularly want a reserves team, because they can get along with the SANFL teams about their players.
The Power are pushing it because the old Port Adelaide 'We are the SANFL!" attitude means they can't, or don't want to, cooperate about players.
However, the Crows will want a reserves team if the Power get one, just so they don't allow the Power any edge.

The old Port Adelaide hierarchy don't seem to be able to move on and see themselves as being part of the state rather than all of it.
[And that's why the Power can't attract more supporters.]

[heater31]

I don't think the Crows particularly want a reserves team, because they can get along with the SANFL teams about their players.
The Power are pushing it because the old Port Adelaide 'We are the SANFL!" attitude means they can't, or don't want to, cooperate about players.
However, the Crows will want a reserves team if the Power get one, just so they don't allow the Power any edge.

The old Port Adelaide hierarchy don't seem to be able to move on and see themselves as being part of the state rather than all of it.
[And that's why the Power can't attract more supporters.]

you could be onto something there Psyber. The Crows seem to use the system they have been given and they have been doing it since 1991 with out too much trouble.

The AwFL branded Port Adelaide treat the competition with contempt, for instance they left the bottom placed reserves side (South) in the lurch one week and they were forced to play 1 short with 20 because they decided to give a certain player a ride on a plane to Melbourne who was not normally aligned to South. Also how many instances that this franchise has forcibly removed players from club to club because they couldn't get their own way???

[magpie in the 80's]

Heard on the weekend Sydney Swans play 16 players on the field in the Canberra league, can anyone confirm?

Sydney Swans Reserves have played in the ACT since 2003.
They have won 4 flags 2005 to 2008.
This year they were minor premiers and knocked out in straight sets

[FlyingHigh]

So all the Victorian AFL teams are going to have reserves sides within a couple of years.
And because of this, the Crows and Power are meant to too?
Why shouldn't we look at this as a failure of the Melbourne football community to successfully integrate the traditions of two football competitions, whilst we have been able to do this reasonably successfully.

[Mr Beefy]

So all the Victorian AFL teams are going to have reserves sides within a couple of years.
And because of this, the Crows and Power are meant to too?
Why shouldn't we look at this as a failure of the Melbourne football community to successfully integrate the traditions of two football competitions, whilst we have been able to do this reasonably successfully.

I dont think you can compare the current VFL with the old VFA or the SANFL because there is very little resemblance. The VFL included teams from country centres like Bendigo and Ballarat (and Geelong), expanded to outer metro areas like Casey and Frankston and I think the Coburg/Richmond tigers are moving to Craigieburn or somewhere in the outer north. One might argue that the VFL has become more relevant than the old VFA and is more successful because it encompasses a broader area, etc. The Hawthorn/Box Hill comination appears to be successful, the Essendon/Bendigo also seems ok, the Cats/Cats is successful. Obviously the supporters of old VFA teams like Oakleigh, Prahran and the like mightn't be as happy but they were going broke anyway.

[Dirko]

So all the Victorian AFL teams are going to have reserves sides within a couple of years.

They do now. No difference in Collingwood having a reserves team called that, or Carlton having a reserves team called the Northern Bullants.

Also I'm pretty sure no VFL team can play more then 12 AFL listed players in one game.

[eaglehaslanded]

I wouldn't like the idea of my team missing out on the borrowed AFL talent if this went ahead. It's our SANFL clubs that help in the development of these kids before they make it to the AFL. I'd like to see that talent play for my club when they're not playing AFL.

[Mr Beefy]

I have not seen any evidence that having a reserves team is of any advantage. Mick Malthouse thinks Collingwood have that as an advantage over West Coast, but he had a better record at West Coast than Collingwood -- he is 0/10 for premierships, he was 2/10 at West Coast.

If they play SANFL games, they play against serious opponents who are trying to win, rather than trying to be noticed in a reserves team.

If they really must have reserves teams, let them play in the VFL -- that's already stuffed.

While the following might not be definitive, Geelong has a reserves team (2 flags), Hawthorn have a very good relationship with Box Hill which is their reserves team (1 flag), Collingwood's stocks have certainly risen since having a standalone reserves team, Sydney has a reserves team (1 flag), not sure how long Brisbane have had a reserves team but if they had it during their 3peat then maybe it is starting to look very advantageous....

[birdmanptr]

The entry of a Crows and Power team into the SANFL will be the death of the league.
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Power wont enter a team they will go with Port Adelaide.

I for one never thought it would happen but you can take this or leave it but have been told that if Port become one club and Port Adelaide will be the Power reserves side the Crows reserves will become the 10th SANFL side.

Its not a matter of if this happens any more but when if Port become one club