Concerning Trend? The Woodville Oval Incident 3/7

[Turbo]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

Changed your version now have you Voice? Earlier it was Treeby who ran off when confronted after making the initial comments and once he knew he had some "back up" again used some choice words?

Now you are saying you are not sure who threw the first punch??? It would not have happened if those from the Sturt Cheer Squad didn't confront him and or chase him. You might argue that Treeby was not very clever with his words or the target of his abuse however that doesn't give the Sturt C.S any right to chase him with the sole intent of intimidating and or assaulting him?

Geez if every supporter at a SANFL game reacted in that way to comments that fly back and forth at games there would be hundreds of fights a year.

I think you'll find that Voice has been pretty consistent throughout his input in all of this, AND from what he's said it wasn't the SCS that confronted Treeby but that it was Treeby that took it upon himself to confront and abuse the SCS at a time when Voice was trying to settle things down and get some clarification with WESLO. You're also assuming the intent of those people chasing Treeby.

Pretty obvious I would have thought

[areaman]

"Blah blah.. Sturt supporters assaulting people"

The photo in the Tiser clearly shows a Sturt supporter on the receiving end. Answer that.

That's any easy one Barto.

I reckon if anyone chases another person around in public trying whack them then they've got to expect that other members of the public might step in. If this Sturt supporter hadn't chased Treeby 50m with the sole intent of hitting him then this particular incident would not have occurred.

I'm guessing if somebody was trying to belt you in a public place you'd hope that some members of the public might help out.

That photo looks terrible and is an embarrasment to all those involved but put it in perspective before you place a halo over the Sturt supporter in question.

[FlyingHigh]

I blame Macca for winning the toss choosing to kick to the clubhouse end.

This is only hypothetical because I wasn't nearby at the time, but I'm sure some SCS wouldn't have been saying "well played old chap" as Welsh kicked that long bomb and Goldsworthy grubbered that goal before the incident.

[westcoastpanther]

Geez if every supporter at a SANFL game reacted in that way to comments that fly back and forth at games there would be hundreds of fights a year.

Couldn't agree more. I love a bit of banter but would hate to think it could escalate to violence.

The problem with getting involved in banter is at the end of the day there will be only one winner. The supporter of the losing team has nothing left, unless they choose to take it to the next level which is what has occured here.

Shame on the Sturt CS.....

[Mic]

10 pages on a scuffle in the crowd.

[sjt]

10 pages on a scuffle in the crowd.

10 pages on an assault/s also involving a league player, not so shocking.

[Psyber]

It's all that recent hype about Soccer - our crowds are getting FIFA disease.

[Apachebulldog]

It all boils down to, if you dish out the verbal expect to receive verbal back if you cannot not take the verbal then keep your mouth shut, it appears to me that some Sturt fans like to dish it out, but won't except it back, end of story so in the end it is not Treeby's fault it could of been anybody in Treeby's shoes.

[Pseudo]

"Blah blah.. Sturt supporters assaulting people"

The photo in the Tiser clearly shows a Sturt supporter on the receiving end. Answer that.

But what it doesn't show is the Sturt supporter calling the Eagle fan a Big Farty Pants immediately prior. He provoked it so he must be culpable! Someone wearing club colours should know better and I hope his club suspends him from attending matches in the future.

[Voice]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

Changed your version now have you Voice? Earlier it was Treeby who ran off when confronted after making the initial comments and once he knew he had some "back up" again used some choice words?

Now you are saying you are not sure who threw the first punch??? It would not have happened if those from the Sturt Cheer Squad didn't confront him and or chase him. You might argue that Treeby was not very clever with his words or the target of his abuse however that doesn't give the Sturt C.S any right to chase him with the sole intent of intimidating and or assaulting him?

Geez if every supporter at a SANFL game reacted in that way to comments that fly back and forth at games there would be hundreds of fights a year.

Nowhere does anything changed otr. You're just making yourself look silly coming in to the conversation late and start up more crap. Prior to my complete version of events that I wrote I dispelled some wrong assumptions about things being said.
If you want to take that as the order of events and that I've changed my story than it's pretty obvious why nobody on here has agreed with you that anything has changed.

[Voice]

Message to everybody on here if I may. Nowhere have I said that the cheersquad is not to blame or that any party involved is not to blame. Not even myself. I made the decision to be at the more populated end, if I didn't this wouldn't of happened. Treeby made his comments and if he didn't, this wouldn't of happened. Some of the Sturt supporters should have been alot calmer with their response to this and if they were, this wouldn't of happened.
All coulda, shoulda, woulda but it doesn't change the fact that it has happened and now all parties must be held accountable, including myself.
Taking pot shots at anyone involved for an event half seen or not seen at all isn't going to help anybody and you are actually harming the view of the SANFL as much as the events have tainted the reputation of it.
Please be sensible as I will be ensuring that action taken on my side of the fence is swift and concise, it's up to the Eagles to sort out their side and weslo to sort out their side. No-one here has no blame at all.

[Voice]

It all boils down to, if you dish out the verbal expect to receive verbal back if you cannot not take the verbal then keep your mouth shut, it appears to me that some Sturt fans like to dish it out, but won't except it back, end of story so in the end it is not Treeby's fault it could of been anybody in Treeby's shoes.

We didn't even notice Treeby was there until he let fly with what he said. So I'm not sure why you would say we were dishing it but couldn't take it. Sounds like you haven't read my explanation of events and you weren't actually at the game but you know exactly what happened. Not end of story.

[topsywaldron]

No matter who said what or grabbed their nads in a provocative manner, any guys (unless there's a chick fight element to this I've missed) throwing punches should be banned from attending games for a lenghty period.

Norwood banned a spectator for simply yelling something, albeit deeply offensive, so I'd hope Matt Benson and Chris Davies find their cojones and remove some idiots from the scene for a while. Treeby can apparently point out where they are.

[on the rails]

Nowhere does anything changed otr. You're just making yourself look silly coming in to the conversation late and start up more crap. Prior to my complete version of events that I wrote I dispelled some wrong assumptions about things being said.
If you want to take that as the order of events and that I've changed my story than it's pretty obvious why nobody on here has agreed with you that anything has changed.

Hmm - below is what you said pages back!

In the last the Eagles cheersquad moved to the other end and we stayed where we were. 4-5 Eagles players parked themselves around 5m away from us, none of them saying a word except for Treeby. When the Eagles kicked the sealer Treeby turned to the cheersquad and said exactly what csbowes mentioned earlier in the thread which was (as he grabbed his crotch) "suck on my n-ts you c---s, take a look at the f---ing scoreboard.
I proceeded to approach weslo, who were 2m away from the Eagles players to ask them why that is tolerated when we were threatened with eviction for less. They proceeded to tell me they heard nothing (remember, they were 2m away from Treeby) which inflamed the situation more. All the while Treeby and some other cheersquad members continued with the verbals.Things were way to close and it no-one really threw a first punch, it kind of just momentarily exploded with some push and shove between some cheersquad members and Treeby and some Eagles fans. More cheersquad members approached the fraca, including myself to try and break it up but I can see that this would have been quite scary for Treeby as he wouldn't have known some of us only wanted to break it up. He ran back towards the grandstands and yes he was chased.
The stupid part about this is when Treeby saw the 2 burley fellas that you see in the photos were going to back him up, he stopped and faced his pursuers. This is where the main problem started and once again I tried to break it up. I copped a whack in the nose, no idea if it was an Eagles fan or a Sturt fan and I don't really care. It was over pretty quickly from there. Little spotfires broke out after that but nothing major.
If I can think of anything else I'll post it as soon as I can.

An earlier post from you voice in which you say the Eagles players were 5 metres away give or take a bit? So fair to say around 15 feet away? So who went to who? Surely it was the CS who moved up to confront Treeby where he was standing. You say you moved up within 2 metres (5 or 6 feet) of Treeby and the other Eagle players to speak to Weslo and it appears this may have “encouraged” your CS mates to move up to near where the players were standing and confront them? You haven’t really clarified that or maybe you are being selective to “protect” your mates / CS as to who actually provoked the violence? You do eventually skip to the bit where you claim both parties were close when the first altercation occurred however it plainly appears that the Sturt CS caused the confrontation by stupidly reacting to some comments and moving up to where Treeby was standing?

Then in response to Dutchy you post the following:

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

15 feet you say originally now you claim it was all in close proximity – your story has changed so before you go having a crack at me make sure you know what you previously said and don’t be selective to lessen the role your or the CS played in this. As I said, regardless of how stupid or misguided Treeby’s comments were, it wasn’t him who came down to the Cheer Squad and provoked the violence was it? You claim you don’t know who is responsible and we shouldn’t be guessing but it is obvious. You would be a terrible witness in any investigation base on what you have posted so far!

[Bluedemon]

on the rails it is about time you got off them. at the end of the day if weslo had also done their job this whole fracas wouldnt have gotten as far as it did.
if weslo were smart they could have butted in earlier and told the people off for any swearing if there was some that was over the top. if this was between say norwood and westies supporter with a league player from one of the clubs, would the carry on been this far? i dont think so
Why dont weslo stop flares at the footy game, because they are scared to evict people. dont be surprised if weslo arent their next year and the sanfl look for another company.

[Booney]

on the rails it is about time you got off them. at the end of the day if weslo had also done their job this whole fracas wouldnt have gotten as far as it did.
if weslo were smart they could have butted in earlier and told the people off for any swearing if there was some that was over the top. if this was between say norwood and westies supporter with a league player from one of the clubs, would the carry on been this far? i dont think so
Why dont weslo stop flares at the footy game, because they are scared to evict people.
dont be surprised if weslo arent their next year and the sanfl look for another company.

Like all sub-contracts the staff who currently work for Weslo will move to and work for the new company if there is any change. Therefore, there will be little if any change.

[LPH]

It all boils down to, if you dish out the verbal expect to receive verbal back if you cannot not take the verbal then keep your mouth shut, it appears to me that some Sturt fans like to dish it out, but won't except it back, end of story so in the end it is not Treeby's fault it could of been anybody in Treeby's shoes.

Sorry Apache, I can't agree in this case.

Treeby is a PAID MEMBER of the LEADERSHIP TEAM @ the club.
Young people (kids) were affected here - Big Phil's kid for one.

Treeby & the WWTFC have an OBLIGATION (regardless of the amount of beer consumed - being drunk is NOT an excuse) TO SHOW RESTRAINT...

He should NOT have been involved - end of story.

What the public attendee does - that's different.
Treeby is not 'public' - he is a REPRESENTATIVE of the club & thus has particular RESPONSIBILITIES.

Be sacked?? - perhaps NOT.
Be suspended - Yes, I think that would be appropriate

[Voice]

When I replied to Dutchy my mention of close proximity is after we had moved towards weslo, not the beginning of the altercation and if you've read every comment I have made you will see that I am by no means taking any blame away from the cheersquad. You're being selective with what you highlight and it by no means shows me changing stories.

[sjt]

Seems like now Voice, this may actually give you an opportunity to get rid of the bad element from your CS. Hopefully, with the clubs assistance, it can help you in your attempts to improve the CS from now on.

[Royal City]

Seems like now Voice, this may actually give you an opportunity to get rid of the bad element from your CS. Hopefully, with the clubs assistance, it can help you in your attempts to improve the CS from now on.

Agreed.

A few years there were a pair of absolute w@nkers who attended Centrals game, a skinny bald young bloke and his bearded mate. Caused hassles at every game I saw them at; pushed a middle aged guy over at Prospect Oval for no reason whatsoever and had about 20 Centrals fans absolutely livid with them afterwards, and there were many, many other incidents.

My mate rang the club up the Monday after the Prospect game, gave them all the info they needed and I haven't seen them at a game since.

They aren't missed one bit.