Concerning Trend? The Woodville Oval Incident 3/7

[Adelaide Hawk]

Spelly, I always thought provocation and initiation of violence were one and the same

You mean words and actions are the same?

I mean, if Treeby hadn't played the part he did, the entire incident may not have happened. Whether he threw the first punch or not, his actions were equally as culpable.

[spell_check]

I can see what you're saying, for sure. Both parties did had options, however. Both chose the wrong option. If it turns out that he just went up and belted the Sturt bloke, then that's goneski for sure. And if you thought I am hoping that he does not get suspended for the rest of the year or kicked out; I'm not fussed anyway. It's not like our possible finals campaign will rest on him being in it, if you look at his form before the injury. Hardly "setting world on fire" form.

[csbowes]

Spelly, I always thought provocation and initiation of violence were one and the same

You mean words and actions are the same?

I mean, if Treeby hadn't played the part he did, the entire incident may not have happened. Whether he threw the first punch or not, his actions were equally as culpable.

Amen to that...

[spell_check]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

[csbowes]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Defending yourself when attacked is one thing, but you can't condone a player acting like a dumb ass fan and provoking or instigating this type of situation. Again, he's not the only one at fault, but unfortunately he holds a position whereby the repercussions for him are a lot more serious than they may turn out to be for those members of the public who were involved. I'm sure all clubs will be sitting down their players and reinforcing the "walk away" policy...

[Mr Irate]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Defending yourself when attacked is one thing, but you can't condone a player acting like a dumb ass fan and provoking or instigating this type of situation. Again, he's not the only one at fault, but unfortunately he holds a position whereby the repercussions for him are a lot more serious than they may turn out to be for those members of the public who were involved. I'm sure all clubs will be sitting down their players and reinforcing the "walk away" policy...

and the Sturt "supporters" ?

[spell_check]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Defending yourself when attacked is one thing, but you can't condone a player acting like a dumb ass fan and provoking or instigating this type of situation. Again, he's not the only one at fault, but unfortunately he holds a position whereby the repercussions for him are a lot more serious than they may turn out to be for those members of the public who were involved. I'm sure all clubs will be sitting down their players and reinforcing the "walk away" policy...

I cannot disagree at all. If it was less than the rest of the year, I am sure you'd say that's not good enough. However, I'm also positive there will be differing opinions on what is a fair penalty.

[spell_check]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Defending yourself when attacked is one thing, but you can't condone a player acting like a dumb ass fan and provoking or instigating this type of situation. Again, he's not the only one at fault, but unfortunately he holds a position whereby the repercussions for him are a lot more serious than they may turn out to be for those members of the public who were involved. I'm sure all clubs will be sitting down their players and reinforcing the "walk away" policy...

and the Sturt "supporters" ?

I guess the fact he is a player makes a lot of difference and especially being part of the "leadership group" in particular. That shows what sort of esteem level he is meant to be at compared to the opposite party. If Treeby is still around after this, I'd expect him not be a part of that so called group. All players should really be "leaders" anyway; I think that phrase is a bit tacky, if you ask me.

[Dutchy]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

[sjt]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Defending yourself when attacked is one thing, but you can't condone a player acting like a dumb ass fan and provoking or instigating this type of situation. Again, he's not the only one at fault, but unfortunately he holds a position whereby the repercussions for him are a lot more serious than they may turn out to be for those members of the public who were involved. I'm sure all clubs will be sitting down their players and reinforcing the "walk away" policy...

and the Sturt "supporters" ?

I don't believe someone holding their groin saying "suck on my nuts", look at the scoreboard and calling someone or a group an offensive name, can validate an assault. Moronic, stupid yes. Worse, due to the fact a player was involved. He should have been removed from the ground if true, in my opinion.
Yes, perhaps it wouldn't have happened if Treeby hadn't done what is alleged, or if Eagles hadn't kicked the sealer, or if either party were asked to move on, or if there was more pro-active security - if, if, if. Or perhaps some other reason would have been used as an excuse/reason for the ensuing violence?
I'm sure Treeby will be held to account for his actions, but seems like an over-reaction to some idiotic alleged verbal abuse (and I don't think to many on here are trying to defend the culprits anyway). Hopefully security will be more pro-active in the future and "supporters", will realise it's a game at the end of the day.

[Turbo]

It's time to stamp out all Riff Raff from the SANFL.

Maybe It's time to stamp out the Riff Raff from our secondary schools.

Bring Back the Cane.

Parents who complain get a week in jail.

We have lost all forms of disapline in this new millenium.

Hence the driving death toll amoungst our young..!

The School system is a joke.

Forget pay rises, Teachers.

Teachers are a joke.

Baby Sitters

While the rest of society works....!

If we can hide 10,000 unemployed as teachers, it will look good on our unemployment records....

What a load of crap

[Dogwatcher]

There are a lot of people on this thread making some very stupid statements.

[Voice]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

[Voice]

There are a lot of people on this thread making some very stupid statements.

And there are quite a few like AH and spelly and csbowes that are being quite reasonable. Kind of gives you a good cross section of the average SANFL footy supporter.

[wedgetail]

It's time to stamp out all Riff Raff from the SANFL.

Maybe It's time to stamp out the Riff Raff from our secondary schools.

Bring Back the Cane.

Parents who complain get a week in jail.

We have lost all forms of disapline in this new millenium.

Hence the driving death toll amoungst our young..!

The School system is a joke.

Forget pay rises, Teachers.

Teachers are a joke.

Baby Sitters

While the rest of society works....!

If we can hide 10,000 unemployed as teachers, it will look good on our unemployment records....

What a load of crap

Have a tough time at school?

[bayman]

it really doesn't matter who ignited the fuse because everyone involved in the incident should have had enough commonsense to just ignore words or actions, it seems like ''road rage'' without being on the road.....what saddens me is we use to say ''those idiots at the soccer in england & that'd never happen at the footy'' & if this isn't stamped out it could get worse & get to a stage like soccer & with society in general we use to say ''it could only happen in america'' & not anymore sadly....earlier in the year we had an incident at prospect oval for the north v central clash................please if you can not control yourself either don't go or if it is the grog don't drink because of that lack of control, because you ruin it for 99.5% of the people that go & maybe you ruin it for your kids who might be there as well

[smithy]

You want him kicked out? Fine. I think it still would be a bit harsh, but it wouldn't bother me because he embarrassed a lot of parties.

I'd dismiss him for the year as a minimum. It's harsh, but I'd be appalled at a Sturt player getting involved in a fight with fans, what does that say about the player and his respect for the reputation of the club?

Interested in your thoughts on what you think a coach striking a fan at presentations should receive as punishment then.

[Barto]

"Blah blah.. Sturt supporters assaulting people"

The photo in the Tiser clearly shows a Sturt supporter on the receiving end. Answer that.

[on the rails]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

Changed your version now have you Voice? Earlier it was Treeby who ran off when confronted after making the initial comments and once he knew he had some "back up" again used some choice words?

Now you are saying you are not sure who threw the first punch??? It would not have happened if those from the Sturt Cheer Squad didn't confront him and or chase him. You might argue that Treeby was not very clever with his words or the target of his abuse however that doesn't give the Sturt C.S any right to chase him with the sole intent of intimidating and or assaulting him?

Geez if every supporter at a SANFL game reacted in that way to comments that fly back and forth at games there would be hundreds of fights a year.

[CUTTERMAN]

Sure Treeby started it but seriously its the Sturt fans who started the violence, both hard parts to play but Id be going harder on the Sturt fans, they could have ignored the taunt, moved on or laughed it off but chose to get violent

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

Changed your version now have you Voice? Earlier it was Treeby who ran off when confronted after making the initial comments and once he knew he had some "back up" again used some choice words?

Now you are saying you are not sure who threw the first punch??? It would not have happened if those from the Sturt Cheer Squad didn't confront him and or chase him. You might argue that Treeby was not very clever with his words or the target of his abuse however that doesn't give the Sturt C.S any right to chase him with the sole intent of intimidating and or assaulting him?

Geez if every supporter at a SANFL game reacted in that way to comments that fly back and forth at games there would be hundreds of fights a year.

I think you'll find that Voice has been pretty consistent throughout his input in all of this, AND from what he's said it wasn't the SCS that confronted Treeby but that it was Treeby that took it upon himself to confront and abuse the SCS at a time when Voice was trying to settle things down and get some clarification with WESLO. You're also assuming the intent of those people chasing Treeby.