Rd 14 Norwood v West Post Game Reviews

[stun72]

Christopher Tractor Prime I believe kicked 5 goals in a qtr today in the bush today
Is it time for a recall to the legs ?

Todays game resembled a bush B grade game at times, so the Tractor might excell

How many games of Country B Grade have you seen or have you not been out past the city limits??

Your spelling of excel was excellent..

[topsywaldron]

no Legs fan has yet answered my assertion that you often started with 3 men behind the ball.

I agreed with you in my initial post r'n'b.

To my mind you're focussing on too narrow a definition of 'flooding'. Norwood do get extra numbers behind the ball however they attack more when they have it by running further and harder ahead of the play.

For me anyway that makes Norwood a more entertaining team to watch than Westies.

I acknowledge and respect your deep loyalty to your team, as I know you do mine, but I do have to say I admire your ability week in week out to watch what West dished up today.

On another point I think more should made of West's ill-discipline at crucial times, for example the late hit on Jonas that led to the goal that put us ahead, rather than the umpiring.

[doggies4eva]

Now that Aust is out of the world cup maybe a few coaches could reflect on how many gamesthey of SANFL they have won using soccer tactics

[bloods08]

no Legs fan has yet answered my assertion that you often started with 3 men behind the ball.

I agreed with you in my initial post r'n'b.

To my mind you're focussing on too narrow a definition of 'flooding'. Norwood do get extra numbers behind the ball however they attack more when they have it by running further and harder ahead of the play.

For me anyway that makes Norwood a more entertaining team to watch than Westies.

I acknowledge and respect your deep loyalty to your team, as I know you do mine, but I do have to say I admire your ability week in week out to watch what West dished up today.

On another point I think more should made of West's ill-discipline at crucial times, for example the late hit on Jonas that led to the goal that put us ahead, rather than the umpiring.

Yes I think this incident cost us the game unfortunately. Didn't think it was worth a report though.

[mal]

OK, you're all convinced that West flood and Norwood play a game for the purists, but no Legs fan has yet answered my assertion that you often started with 3 men behind the ball.

As I said, I pointed this out during the game as it happened. Fact.

Is it just vaguely possible that Norwood won because they were a bit more poised under pressure in the last 15 minutes than West. The game could have gone either way until then.

Just repeating, anyone want to dispute that Norwood played an extra 3 men in defence?

If so, be prepared to back it up with fact

YES
NW did have 2-3 behind the ball today
And thats the most Ive seen NW flood on a consistent basis

QUESTION
Why did NW fllood so much today
The gameplan has worked a treat since round 4
So why did NW change

[CK]

From seeing the Schmidt charge, I would think him very unlucky to be reported and even more unlucky to be suspended. He was already fully committed to the contest and while it was late and deserved a free, the rest of it was unfortunate. Noted that none of the Norwood players nearby remonstrated with him about it (which was in keeping with the match overall, played in excellent spirit throughout by both teams).

[Adelaide Hawk]

From seeing the Schmidt charge, I would think him very unlucky to be reported and even more unlucky to be suspended. He was already fully committed to the contest and while it was late and deserved a free, the rest of it was unfortunate. Noted that none of the Norwood players nearby remonstrated with him about it (which was in keeping with the match overall, played in excellent spirit throughout by both teams).

This is it CK. Players didn't remonstrate because basically there wasn't a lot it in. However, this is something they've been tough on, and anything slightly late has been dealt with by the umpires. As a matter of fact, Norwood reserves player Tom Langford was done for pretty much the same thing today. I don't like it, as a matter of fact I think it's crap. It limits marking contests, and you see way too many players just standing there watching their opponent mark uncontested, worried they will make the contest a fraction late and get reported. Trouble is, that's the way it is.

[JK]

From seeing the Schmidt charge, I would think him very unlucky to be reported and even more unlucky to be suspended. He was already fully committed to the contest and while it was late and deserved a free, the rest of it was unfortunate. Noted that none of the Norwood players nearby remonstrated with him about it (which was in keeping with the match overall, played in excellent spirit throughout by both teams).

From where I stood mate I thought it looked a charge, I'm not saying it was deliberate because I think Schmidt is a ball player (and a good one at that) ... Tommy Jonas did the right thing and got straight up so I think he'll be ok, but it looked handled correctly to me.

[philcas]

Red&Black I think you will find it wasnt so much Norwood had 2-3 behind the ball it was West flooded back into norwoods forward line & our backs were not getting sucked in to following them in. Personally i think it was a good tactic as the ball hardley got to wests full forward line. I thought the forwards for norwood although out numbered in the forward line pressured enough so west could not get the ball out to easily. The ball was generaly only booted out & Norwood were there to retrieve the ball & return it to our forward line. Unfortunately due to Norwoods mistakes & West having alot of numbers back there was plenty of balls heading to the pockets.
I hope Norwood have got video of the game so they can analise how to deal with that kind of game

[bloods08]

From seeing the Schmidt charge, I would think him very unlucky to be reported and even more unlucky to be suspended. He was already fully committed to the contest and while it was late and deserved a free, the rest of it was unfortunate. Noted that none of the Norwood players nearby remonstrated with him about it (which was in keeping with the match overall, played in excellent spirit throughout by both teams).

This is it CK. Players didn't remonstrate because basically there wasn't a lot it in. However, this is something they've been tough on, and anything slightly late has been dealt with by the umpires. As a matter of fact, Norwood reserves player Tom Langford was done for pretty much the same thing today. I don't like it, as a matter of fact I think it's crap. It limits marking contests, and you see way too many players just standing there watching their opponent mark uncontested, worried they will make the contest a fraction late and get reported. Trouble is, that's the way it is.

Talking about Tom Langford's, does anyone know how the west adelaide variety's knee is?

He injured it in the first 5 minutes of the reserves game.

[CK]

From seeing the Schmidt charge, I would think him very unlucky to be reported and even more unlucky to be suspended. He was already fully committed to the contest and while it was late and deserved a free, the rest of it was unfortunate. Noted that none of the Norwood players nearby remonstrated with him about it (which was in keeping with the match overall, played in excellent spirit throughout by both teams).

From where I stood mate I thought it looked a charge, I'm not saying it was deliberate because I think Schmidt is a ball player (and a good one at that) ... Tommy Jonas did the right thing and got straight up so I think he'll be ok, but it looked handled correctly to me.

R&B, I'll back that one up - at times Norwood had three men loose in the backline. At times, though, so did West. Not saying one or the other did it more often, but both teams did it at times.

[Thiele]

Bloods its not the serious knee injury but he was on crutches and on the bench during the second 1/4 of the reserves

[Mark_Beswick]

I think that we with Ryan Fergusson and Matthew Lobbe in the WAFC side, we do play a quicker more direct style of footy. Pettigrew also takes a lot of pressure from Bennett. Condsidering that they were out along with V/Capt Piasente, I thought westies toiled manfully against a top 3 side away from home. Porps tried hard, but didn't dominate and at times looked a little short of breath.

I wish our umpires would go back to a few years when they let more go and paid less frees. The game usually sorts itself out but these days, they seem to think they are AFL puppets.

Hughes' pace was a handful for us today and McGuinness also rebounded far too often.

Both sides had chances to win and unfortunatelty from my perspective, Norwood made just that bit more of theirs.

[geppscrossrams]

does anybody know the result of the u/18s game?

[FairDinkum]

Westies comfortably.

[prowling panther]

How did Jak Kennedy-Hunt go today in the ressies for Nwd, was it his first game back since injuring his knee, did he see the game out?

[Adelaide Hawk]

How did Jak Kennedy-Hunt go today in the ressies for Nwd, was it his first game back since injuring his knee, did he see the game out?

Yes he did, and he played very well into the bargain. Looked a class above most of the reserves players and I could easily see him playing league with Norwood. Very impressed with him today.

[prowling panther]

South should never have lost him......but that's another story.....

[blackandred]

This was a dour, tight and tough contest between two evenly matched teams. Westies were superior in areas such as defensive strategies, toughness, endeavour and determination, Norwood superior in footspeed, skill and the capacity to take a grab in their forward line. Westies let themselves down with dreadful disposal causing countless turnovers and Norwood lacked the ability to convert possession into scoreboard pressure.

At half time only four goals had been scored in total. At 3Q time only seven goals had been scored but both teams then doubled their score in a frantic last Q.

In the end it came down to one very dubious umpiring decision when Chris Schmidt attempted to spoil a Norwood player on the eastern wing. At this point, 20 mins into the last Q, the scores were level.The umpire intervened in the contest, reported Schmidt, gave a 50m penalty resulting in a shot from the goal square. Norwood gained valuable momentum, booted another and Westies went down in a very disappointing result for the club.

When the Westies coaching staff review the match they will lament the poor disposal and decision making. Bricknell, on several occasions steaming out of the backline and delivering a beautiful long kick to a Norwood player standing by himself. Ryan Bennett running into the fwd line, propping, attempting to handball behind him and being caught holding the ball. Norwood goal. Daniel Caire handballing to a Norwood player, goal.

Q by Q scores:
1Q Nwd 1.3, WA 0.1, Half time Nwd 2.3, WA 2.3, 3Q Nwd 4.5, WA 3.5, Final Nwd 8.6, WA 6.6.

Porplyzia kicked 2 and singles to Birss, Champion, Anderson and Munn.

Ryan Anderson played probably his best game for the club. Chubb and Steven Morris played with great focus and endeavour, Chubb spent time both back and forward. You have to love the way Morris approaches a contest. Munn, Hartlett and Silvester did some good things. Porplyzia showed his class and we would have been worse off but for his finishing skills. Harding seemed to get better as the game went on. Webb had a shocker. He sometimes looks very disinterested and quite slow. The 2 Carusos struggled to get into the game and Ryan Bennett couldn’t continue his form from last week. Fielke and Champion did a few good things but lack consistency.

Westies fans will watch with interest the outcome of Schmidt’s report. If he is let off then the umpire should be dropped, such was the impact of his decision on the game.

Reserves, Nwd 15.10, WA 6.4

[Adelaide Hawk]

Westies fans will watch with interest the outcome of Schmidt’s report. If he is let off then the umpire should be dropped, such was the impact of his decision on the game.

Why? The decision was correct, it's only whether it was reportable that is contentious. Jonas was put down after having taken a mark, this always has been, and always will be a 25 metre penalty. Then the player went on with it resulting in further penalty. The outcome of the report has no bearing whatsoever with the penalties or the outcome of the game.

They don't drop umpires for reporting a player who gets off.