Gillard for PM?

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Lets not forget she hasn't been voted in but sits in the chair because of some else's' downfall - which she orchestrated.

You might want to check up on that one.

with who?

[Q.]

Lets not forget she hasn't been voted in but sits in the chair because of some else's' downfall - which she orchestrated.

You might want to check up on that one.

with who?

Arbib, Shorten, Feeney, Farrell etc...

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Lets not forget she hasn't been voted in but sits in the chair because of some else's' downfall - which she orchestrated.

You might want to check up on that one.

with who?

Arbib, Shorten, Feeney, Farrell etc...

Oh of course, she just took advice from those four stooges, just like that. How could I have imagined anything other than she just took it all in the space of 24 hrs. Sorry Q

[redandblack]

Apart from having a head like a robber's dog she couldn't lead a rat up a drain pipe.

It's sentences like this that make reading the Politics Forum worthwhile

Just read the Neilsen Poll then, old dog

[Psyber]

Apart from having a head like a robber's dog she couldn't lead a rat up a drain pipe.

It's sentences like this that make reading the Politics Forum worthwhile
Just read the Neilsen Poll then, old dog

I tend to agree with you there R&B.
The polls seem to be up and down like yoyos - I don't know whether that fluctuation is a true reflection of public opinion, or as you hinted the other day just depends on who is running them and whom they ask the question. I actually feel better about Julia than Tony as a person, but I don't trust her left connections to not let dogma over run practicality.

[Q.]

You might want to check up on that one.

with who?

Arbib, Shorten, Feeney, Farrell etc...

Oh of course, she just took advice from those four stooges, just like that. How could I have imagined anything other than she just took it all in the space of 24 hrs. Sorry Q

It's pretty obvious who orchestrated the change. Not sure why you don't want to see that.

[Magpiespower]

Irrelevant if Labor wins or loses the coming federal election.

Greater relevance is that it has just stepped down the same dangerous and dysfunctional path as NSW.

Big worry...

[wycbloods]

Like the country needs Unions running it.

Wake up Booney - that's always been the case with Labor. I noticed that Gillard's speech carefully crafted in a lot of heed to the unions, to workers, and the old scare campaign of Work Choices is being rolled out again. Gillard wants the miner's to cut their mining ads in a show of good faith.I bet that Labor dont cut any pre-election ads that refer to work choices.

Why should they? Abbott has put workchoices, whatever name he wants to call it, firmly back on the agenda.

Genuine question wyc (and others).
The ACTU and co have had great electoral success in branding workchoices (the term) as unAustralian and anti-worker. That term applied to a legislative product, which has since been amended. The way things look now, the ACTU will forever leverage off their electoral success brand any Liberal IR policy as a variation of workchoices, no matter how close, or how distant, or even if it bears any resemblance whatsoever, to the original product. So if the Coalition had to "cement" a commitment to not bring back workchoices to demonstrate that it is dead, what do you think it would take to convince the ACTU and others that it is genuinely dead as the Coalition asserts that it is?

The only thing I can think of is some sort of GST-like legislation. The GST can only be varied with 100% approval of states and territories. If they passed say 50 minimum standards and said they cant be varied without such an approval, would that bury the workchoices fervour? Even then, I doubt it would as when inevitably no 51 comes around for debate, if it wasn't amended into such a piece of legislation the workchoices taunts would start again.

Would like to hear your perspective(s).

The coalition says that Workchoices is dead but we have Abbot out saying that employers should be able to take away things like shift penalties, overtime payments, public holiday pay etc. Not doing that would be a good start.

[Q.]

Irrelevant if Labor wins or loses the coming federal election.

Greater relevance is that it has just stepped down the same dangerous and dysfunctional path as NSW.

Big worry...

Not necessarily. If they lose the next election - goodbye factional right. Could be a good thing.

[StrayDog]

Apart from having a head like a robber's dog ....

Versus Alfred E. Neuman?

Play on.

[fish]

Latest odds for the Federal election:

AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $1.36
COALITION $3.05

Labor has certainly improved its prospects in the last week.

[Booney]

Latest odds for the Federal election:

AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $1.36
COALITION $3.05

Labor has certainly improved its prospects in the last week.

Ergo - Elections are increasingly popularity contests as nobody can form an opinion on Gillards policies in the last 7 days.

[Sojourner]

Rumour mill suggests an August election is likely with no sitting of the govt inbetween times!

[mighty_tiger_79]

did anyone snap up the $5.25 on offer???

[Media Park]

So if we re-elect Gillard's Labour, who might we see as the new PM? it wouldn't have to be her...

And with the Coalition, Abbott might get the gig, but cue Joe Hockey or Christopher Pyne to take over half way thru...

[wycbloods]

So if we re-elect Gillard's Labour, who might we see as the new PM? it wouldn't have to be her...

And with the Coalition, Abbott might get the gig, but cue Joe Hockey or Christopher Pyne to take over half way thru...

Pyne will be busy hanging on to his seat. Hopefully he isn't in parliament after this election.

[Dog_ger]

I would rather vote for Ms Attilia jorgenstieniel

[Squawk]

Genuine question wyc (and others).
The ACTU and co have had great electoral success in branding workchoices (the term) as unAustralian and anti-worker. That term applied to a legislative product, which has since been amended. The way things look now, the ACTU will forever leverage off their electoral success brand any Liberal IR policy as a variation of workchoices, no matter how close, or how distant, or even if it bears any resemblance whatsoever, to the original product. So if the Coalition had to "cement" a commitment to not bring back workchoices to demonstrate that it is dead, what do you think it would take to convince the ACTU and others that it is genuinely dead as the Coalition asserts that it is?

The only thing I can think of is some sort of GST-like legislation. The GST can only be varied with 100% approval of states and territories. If they passed say 50 minimum standards and said they cant be varied without such an approval, would that bury the workchoices fervour? Even then, I doubt it would as when inevitably no 51 comes around for debate, if it wasn't amended into such a piece of legislation the workchoices taunts would start again.

Would like to hear your perspective(s).

Well it's happened. Tony has publicly signed a contract saying Work Choices is dead, buried and cremated, (or words to that effect). Predictably, the Labor Party doesn't believe him, with Julia saying Tony would "find a way". So it seems that whatever he does pre-election, Labor will still trade on the negativity and fear of the brand of Work Choices. So be it. But will Julia be prepared to sign any similar contracts on population growth, taxes, carbon trading, insulation inspections, assylum seekers or the like? After all, Labor did go back on a few election promises of its own including the ETS (and yet the former PM described climate change as the greatest moral challenge of them all).

Notwithstanding, this is a boring campaign thus far. All I keep hearing is Tony's responses to Work Choices propositions, and Julia saying "moving forward", "I believe", "we set out", and "Cabinet in confidence".

[GWW]

What type of legal standing does this "contract" have? I wonder if he'd be prepared to sign a stat dec.

[Gozu]

It's just a stunt obviously the funny part was him contradicting himself later in the same interview.

Unelectable.