Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Talk on the national game

Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:23 pm

Can Port possibly move forward with Mark Williams in charge? While he has done great things in his career and he has forgotten more about football than I ever knew perhaps a move would benefit both parties. Sheedy raves about Choco so maybe he should go Greater West young man.

As for the Power, how long can the Portonians persist with Williams methodology? After watching Port's effort against Richmond in the slosh it is debatable that Mark still follows what I understand to be Williams methodology...

POWER AT THE BODY AND THE BALL
KICK IT DOWN THE GUTS
IF THE OTHER BLOKE WANTS IT MORE THAN YOU HE GETS IT

..now in the wet like last week surely the great Fos would have engineered a victory not only against Richmond but in all probablity Geelong or St Kilda as well but Port tried to play pretty football.

Now obviously the Williams methodology is more complex than that but to this outsider it was the simplicity of it that made it so effective against teams like Glenelg and Norwood over the years with thier high possession (or at the very least less direct) game plans. Why is Choco turning Port into Glenelg and Norwood?

I'm no Portionian (hey, say hello to Captain Obvious!) but surely Choco's time is up. Now don't come on here and say 'who is better?' because right now you could almost say anybody and it wouldn't rank as a glib comment.

Seriously, When will Choco get the arse?

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28490
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1764 times
Been liked: 1876 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:27 pm

Fair dinkum REB, how many games did you ever play, I reckon you should have a look in the mirror.

Regards,
Q
User avatar
Q.
Coach
 
 
Posts: 22019
Joined: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:16 pm
Location: El Dorado
Has liked: 970 times
Been liked: 2397 times
Grassroots Team: Houghton Districts

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:33 pm

Quichey wrote:Fair dinkum REB, how many games did you ever play, I reckon you should have a look in the mirror.

Regards,
Q



LOL Nice. But I was talking about sacking A coach, not sacking THE coach. I haven't posted that one for four years!

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28490
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1764 times
Been liked: 1876 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby White Line Fever » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:35 pm

Quichey wrote:Fair dinkum REB, how many games did you ever play, I reckon you should have a look in the mirror.

Regards,
Q

:lol:
User avatar
White Line Fever
League - Top 5
 
 
Posts: 2896
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:52 pm
Has liked: 26 times
Been liked: 16 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:14 pm

I hope he stays at the Power forever! :D
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
User avatar
Wedgie
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 51721
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:00 am
Has liked: 2153 times
Been liked: 4093 times
Grassroots Team: Noarlunga

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Drop Bear » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:18 pm

The 3 Rs...
Reading?
Writing?
Arithmetic?
1. M Hayden.
User avatar
Drop Bear
League - Top 5
 
 
Posts: 2833
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:12 pm
Location: The Doghouse
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time
Grassroots Team: Hope Valley

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby jackpot jim » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:50 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Can Port possibly move forward with Mark Williams in charge? While he has done great things in his career and he has forgotten more about football than I ever knew perhaps a move would benefit both parties. Sheedy raves about Choco so maybe he should go Greater West young man.

As for the Power, how long can the Portonians persist with Williams methodology? After watching Port's effort against Richmond in the slosh it is debatable that Mark still follows what I understand to be Williams methodology...

POWER AT THE BODY AND THE BALL
KICK IT DOWN THE GUTS
IF THE OTHER BLOKE WANTS IT MORE THAN YOU HE GETS IT

..now in the wet like last week surely the great Fos would have engineered a victory not only against Richmond but in all probablity Geelong or St Kilda as well but Port tried to play pretty football.

Now obviously the Williams methodology is more complex than that but to this outsider it was the simplicity of it that made it so effective against teams like Glenelg and Norwood over the years with thier high possession (or at the very least less direct) game plans. Why is Choco turning Port into Glenelg and Norwood?

I'm no Portionian (hey, say hello to Captain Obvious!) but surely Choco's time is up. Now don't come on here and say 'who is better?' because right now you could almost say anybody and it wouldn't rank as a glib comment.

Seriously, When will Choco get the arse?

regards,

REB


(-| (-| (-|
jackpot jim
Coach
 
Posts: 6271
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:14 pm
Has liked: 433 times
Been liked: 512 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Booney » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:32 pm

The bloke doesn't have the cattle he did on 01-04 so tough to judge him on 09/10.

I'll respond in more detail when I can.


*Edit*


Williams has built a reputation in top level football that will see him coach again at senior level at another club. I was all for Williams being told to move on mid-2009 but I am glad he wasn't as I dont think the club was in a sound position player wise ( we still aren't ) and we didn't need a full clean out ( aka Fremantle in the last 3 years ) and I dont think a rookie coach is the way to go when your list is not crying out for change.
Williams is good at developing youth but can be a divisive influence on groups at times. As he has done with players, administrators and fans over his time at Port Adelaide.

I think he will see us through to the end of 2011 and we will reasses from there. I think Port Adelaide is one club that hasn't been wrapped up in the whole "get a young coahc just out of the game" thing as most clubs looking to refresh their groups have been. North, Brisbane, Carlton etc.

I think Port could see no real value in replacing a premiership coach in charge of a mid-road team unless we could find someone who "fit in" much better than Williams has.

As with all good things,they must come to an end and I think Williams has one more year at Port, but what if there isn't anyone better on offer then?
PAFC. Forever.

LOOK OUT, WE'RE COMING!
User avatar
Booney
Coach
 
 
Posts: 60955
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:47 pm
Location: Alberton proud
Has liked: 8047 times
Been liked: 11726 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Swooper16 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:43 pm

Hard to argue with alot of that REB altho to pick you up on a couple of points

We did beat St Kilda in the wet a few weeks ago.
We won the 2004 Premiership with a very high possession based game plan.

The 2010 gameplan doesnt look a whole lot different to 2001-2004 except we just dont have the same quality players. We never adequately replaced Roger James, Josh Carr (yes i know we got him back but he isnt the same player) & Michael Wilson which is why it appears we get pushed around quite a bit.

Our 2008 & 2009 seasons were below par. If 2010 continues down this path (which unfortunately it appears it just might) then you would think his position would come very much into question.
User avatar
Swooper16
League - Best 21
 
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:48 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 2 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:19 pm

jackpot jim wrote: (-| (-| (-|


Another brilliant contribution.

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28490
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1764 times
Been liked: 1876 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:20 pm

Swooper16 wrote:Hard to argue with alot of that REB altho to pick you up on a couple of points

We did beat St Kilda in the wet a few weeks ago.
We won the 2004 Premiership with a very high possession based game plan.

The 2010 gameplan doesnt look a whole lot different to 2001-2004 except we just dont have the same quality players. We never adequately replaced Roger James, Josh Carr (yes i know we got him back but he isnt the same player) & Michael Wilson which is why it appears we get pushed around quite a bit.

Our 2008 & 2009 seasons were below par. If 2010 continues down this path (which unfortunately it appears it just might) then you would think his position would come very much into question.


You blokes love playing against the Saints. Last year is the one of the few that they were able to get one over on you.

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28490
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1764 times
Been liked: 1876 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Dog_ger » Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:49 pm

Mark will coach the Power until he Dies.

Get Used to it.

He is the best man for the job.

Rule # 1. Agree with the Coach.

Rule # 2. When you think the coach is wrong. Refer to Rule # 1.
Smile :)

It's only Money $$$ :)

What is happening to our SANFL guys...
User avatar
Dog_ger
Coach
 
 
Posts: 6536
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:25 pm
Location: Salisbury Downs
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 19 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Media Park » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:32 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
jackpot jim wrote: (-| (-| (-|


Another brilliant contribution.

regards,

REB

:lol:

Choco's gotta go, isn't that why they brought in Laidley?
Direct quote:
Wedgie wrote:I wear skin tight arseless leather pants, wtf do you wear?
User avatar
Media Park
Coach
 
 
Posts: 13864
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:28 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time
Grassroots Team: Boston

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby auto » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:03 pm

Fair call REB. Ive always been a Choco fan but as they say in UFC "its tiiiimmme".
User avatar
auto
League - Top 5
 
 
Posts: 2803
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:49 am
Has liked: 26 times
Been liked: 29 times
Grassroots Team: Fitzroy

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby NO-MERCY » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:19 pm

They havn't got the money to pay him out.
Once again egg on the faces of the board. :oops:
NO-MERCY
Coach
 
Posts: 5336
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:21 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 15 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Punk Rooster » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:01 am

I think you've named the wrong SA based coach in this thread REB...
Ralph Wiggum wrote:That's where I saw the leprechaun. He told me to burn things

Ken Farmer>John Coleman

Hindmarsh Pest Control
User avatar
Punk Rooster
Coach
 
 
Posts: 11948
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:30 am
Location: Paper Street Soap Company
Has liked: 16 times
Been liked: 16 times
Grassroots Team: Fitzroy

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Psyber » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:14 pm

I reckon the Power may have won a couple more premierships if the administration had listened to the sponsor in 2003, and got someone who would weed out a few front runners and revise the game plan...
EPIGENETICS - Lamarck was right!
User avatar
Psyber
Coach
 
 
Posts: 12245
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Now back in the Adelaide Hills.
Has liked: 103 times
Been liked: 403 times
Grassroots Team: Hahndorf

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Booney » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:21 pm

Psyber wrote:I reckon the Power may have won a couple more premierships if the administration had listened to the sponsor in 2003, and got someone who would weed out a few front runners and revise the game plan...


Sponsor said "Port will never win a premiership under Mark Williams". Alan Scott, was wrong.

Revise the game plan,hmmm? So how does the game plan of one side differ to any other in the modern game, for that matter at any point during the history of the game?

Most sides play a very similar style, some have the playing group to execute the style and some dont.

Front runners,hmmm. So in 2001/2/3/4 when we were top or thereabouts who would be the "frontrunners" then? Like most sides when on top of the table you have what could be termed frontrunners, they are in front more often than not afterall.
PAFC. Forever.

LOOK OUT, WE'RE COMING!
User avatar
Booney
Coach
 
 
Posts: 60955
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:47 pm
Location: Alberton proud
Has liked: 8047 times
Been liked: 11726 times

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Choccies » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:27 pm

Keep Choco forever.
I love grapes. With grapes, you always get another chance. You know, if you have a crappy apple or a peach, you’re stuck with that crappy piece of fruit. If you have a crappy grape, no problem-just move on to the next. ‘Grapes: The Fruit of Hope.
User avatar
Choccies
Assistant Coach
 
 
Posts: 4083
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:36 pm
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 4 times
Grassroots Team: Golden Grove

Re: Seriously - When will Choco get the Rs

Postby Q. » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:33 pm

Booney wrote:
Psyber wrote:I reckon the Power may have won a couple more premierships if the administration had listened to the sponsor in 2003, and got someone who would weed out a few front runners and revise the game plan...


Sponsor said "Port will never win a premiership under Mark Williams". Alan Scott, was wrong.

Revise the game plan,hmmm? So how does the game plan of one side differ to any other in the modern game, for that matter at any point during the history of the game?

Most sides play a very similar style, some have the playing group to execute the style and some dont.

Front runners,hmmm. So in 2001/2/3/4 when we were top or thereabouts who would be the "frontrunners" then? Like most sides when on top of the table you have what could be termed frontrunners, they are in front more often than not afterall.


They've altered the game plan this year, and for the better.

Only problem is your forward line, no potency or strong leading targets at the moment.
User avatar
Q.
Coach
 
 
Posts: 22019
Joined: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:16 pm
Location: El Dorado
Has liked: 970 times
Been liked: 2397 times
Grassroots Team: Houghton Districts

Next

Board index   Football  AFL

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Pseudo, RB and 6 guests

Around the place

Competitions   SANFL Official Site | Country Footy SA | Southern Football League | VFL Footy
Club Forums   Snouts Louts | The Roost | Redlegs Forum |