Monkey Business

[stampy]

he he nice one taz

[brod]

My biggest concern in this matter is the lack of evidence to back up the charge - It is nothing but heresay and the word of one group of people (Australians) against that of another (Indians). It is your word against mine and that such a harsh penalty has been handed down on the basis of such evidence does not sit well with me. To my recolection Singh has no previous record (if he does it was seven years ago) and as such the penalty does not fit this situation. I will add that that the penalty fits the CRIME, but with the available evidence the crime cannot be conclusively proved wihout doubt.

[Punk Rooster]

When the Indians name their next Test Squad, will the press call them "12 Monkeys"?
They shouldn't be offended by that..

[locky801]

My biggest concern in this matter is the lack of evidence to back up the charge - It is nothing but heresay and the word of one group of people (Australians) against that of another (Indians). It is your word against mine and that such a harsh penalty has been handed down on the basis of such evidence does not sit well with me. To my recolection Singh has no previous record (if he does it was seven years ago) and as such the penalty does not fit this situation. I will add that that the penalty fits the CRIME, but with the available evidence the crime cannot be conclusively proved wihout doubt.

Unfortunately with the ICC it does not have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, my understanding is that it only has to be proven on the balance of probabilities, if this is the case I cannot see how they could believe one player or the other, obviously there is some other evidence or something else has come to light to back the charge

[rod_rooster]

Mike Proctor has stated that he is satisfied that the "Monkey" remark was made beyond reasonable doubt.

[Mic]

If India leave then Aus could say the monkey is off their back....

[Cambridge Clarrie]

Have the Aussies bitten off more than they can chew with the racism allegations. It seems evident that the Australian team has made offensive remarks to other teams but cries foul when it happens to them. I understand that there is no place for racism but it is not the only way to overstep the mark. We should be prepared to temper our own behaviour now as we can't just pick and choose what we think unnacceptabley offensive.

3 matches is a bit harsh. Does anyone believe the kid is racist? He was probably overwhelmed and retorted to Symonds with the first thing he knew could piss him off. This kind of punishment will not change any underlying beliefs that spawn racism, nor is there any need for a deterrent. I can't see these kind of remarks becoming prevelant and the offenders claiming a precedent of an absence of punishment.

Show some maturity boys, shake hands and get over it.

I'm with you Andy.

I love the fact that the Aussies find it acceptable to bag opponents in so many different ways but then become oh so precious when one of their own is allegedly called a 'monkey'. Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

I've thought the Aussies have become unbearably arrogant since Steve Waugh retired and Ponting became captain. Ponting - great batsman, terrible example as a captain.

[Dogwatcher]

Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

No?

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0707-22.htm

Henry's campaign has resonance because Le Pen does not have the market cornered on racism in the sport. So-called fans, throwing banana peels and peanuts at star players of African descent, have plagued European soccer this past season. For much of the World Cup, such assaults did not occur. But before the June 27th game against Spain, the French coach, Raymond Domenech, said Spanish fans were "making monkey chants" as the French team left their bus. The incident evoked memories of an outrageous racist diatribe against Thierry Henry delivered by Spanish coach Luis Aragones to "inspire" his team before a match against France a couple years ago. When Franch defeated Spain last week, it was more just desserts for Aragones and another bitter pill for Le Pen.


Black goalie Weekes has banana thrown at him
May 9, 2002 -- SportsLine.com wire reports
http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0, ... 60,00.html

MONTREAL -- Two nights after a fan threw a banana at Carolina Hurricanes goalie Kevin Weekes, the Montreal Canadiens said Molson Centre security guards have been asked to watch for racist behavior.

The banana was thrown onto the ice as the players went to the dressing room after Montreal's 2-1 overtime victory Tuesday night in Game 3 of the best-of-7 Stanley Cup playoff series.

Neither Weekes, who is black, nor Carolina coach Paul Maurice would comment Thursday before Game 4.

Canadiens spokesman Donald Beauchamp said in a statement the team "does not tolerate such behavior and if members of our security staff witness such actions, they will react promptly."

The Raleigh News-Observer reported that Carolina defenseman Aaron Ward pointed out the banana to linesman Ray Scapinello. Ward also declined comment.

"We brought it to the attention of the league, but Kevin just wants to let it go, so we're willing to do that," Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford told the News-Observer. "We don't hold the Canadiens responsible for the behavior of a fan."

A capacity crowd of 21,273 attended the game.

Banana throwing and other racist acts aimed at black players have been reported at European soccer matches in the past, but it is the first such incident reported at the Molson Centre. Similar acts have been reported at junior hockey games in Canada.


AP NEWS
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[Punk Rooster]

I love the fact that the Aussies find it acceptable to bag opponents in so many different ways but then become oh so precious when one of their own is allegedly called a 'monkey'. Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

What is it with Sturt supporters?
Andrew Symonds objected to a racist taunt.
This taunt is not acceptable in the EPL, why should it be acceptable in Test Cricket?
The Aussies are masters of sledging, because they know there is a fine line, & they don't cross it.
Indians however are backwards when it comes to sledging, & they tried to take the Aussies on & lost- so they retort to racism.
Funnily enough, racism is definately not in the spirit of cricket, eh Anil?...

[Blue Boy]

I love the fact that the Aussies find it acceptable to bag opponents in so many different ways but then become oh so precious when one of their own is allegedly called a 'monkey'. Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

What is it with Sturt supporters?

Punky please watch your genarlization

[purch]

I love the fact that the Aussies find it acceptable to bag opponents in so many different ways but then become oh so precious when one of their own is allegedly called a 'monkey'. Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

What is it with Sturt supporters?
Andrew Symonds objected to a racist taunt.
This taunt is not acceptable in the EPL, why should it be acceptable in Test Cricket?
The Aussies are masters of sledging, because they know there is a fine line, & they don't cross it.
Indians however are backwards when it comes to sledging, & they tried to take the Aussies on & lost- so they retort to racism.
Funnily enough, racism is definately not in the spirit of cricket, eh Anil?...

LOL. You must have good ears!
And your name suggests you are a...

cock

[smac]

Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

That's because (I am assuming here) you are a caucasian Clarrie.

I said in a previous post (can't remember which thread, might be time to merge some of these) that it is difficult to understand, being a white man in a white mans country. You have just proved that point a little further.

[purch]

Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

That's because (I am assuming here) you are a caucasian Clarrie.

I said in a previous post (can't remember which thread, might be time to merge some of these) that it is difficult to understand, being a white man in a white mans country. You have just proved that point a little further.

What on earth are you suggesting smac? That dark skinned people look more like a monkey than caucasian people???
Now, really...when was the last time you saw a monkey?

[Dogwatcher]

Purch - if you read the articles I've provided above, you'll understand why black sportspeople don't like being referred to as monkeys. It has serious connotations.
After the hullabaloo in India, Harbajhan would have been aware that 'monkey' is considered a racist term.

[am Bays]

It seems Brad Hogg will have to front an ICC disciplinary committee for allegedly calling the Indians "Bastards"

Reminds me of the alleged comment Bill Woodfull is meant to have said, when confronted by an angry Jardine complaining that he had been called a "bastard" by one of the Australian players,

Woodfull is alleged to have turned to the Australian dressing room and asked,

"which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"

I understand that story is acrophyal because reports from players of the day is that Bill Woodfull, a school principal, had a much more polite command of the English language.

[sasquatch]

Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

That's because (I am assuming here) you are a caucasian Clarrie.

I said in a previous post (can't remember which thread, might be time to merge some of these) that it is difficult to understand, being a white man in a white mans country. You have just proved that point a little further.

What on earth are you suggesting smac? That dark skinned people look more like a monkey than caucasian people???
Now, really...when was the last time you saw a monkey?

The term 'monkey,' in my opinion, is offensive, as we (all humans) are considered to be descended from the apes (monkeys), and being a 'monkey' would mean you are less developed than other humans.
So offensive and insulting, yes.

[rod_rooster]

It seems Brad Hogg will have to front an ICC disciplinary committee for allegedly calling the Indians "Bastards"

Reminds me of the alleged comment Bill Woodfull is meant to have said, when confronted by an angry Jardine complaining that he had been called a "bastard" by one of the Australian players,

Woodfull is alleged to have turned to the Australian dressing room and asked,

"which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"

I understand that story is acrophyal because reports from players of the day is that Bill Woodfull, a school principal, had a much more polite command of the English language.

That's gold

[smac]

Calling someone a monkey hardly constitutes racism to me.

That's because (I am assuming here) you are a caucasian Clarrie.

I said in a previous post (can't remember which thread, might be time to merge some of these) that it is difficult to understand, being a white man in a white mans country. You have just proved that point a little further.

What on earth are you suggesting smac? That dark skinned people look more like a monkey than caucasian people???
Now, really...when was the last time you saw a monkey?

I was merely suggesting that a white man, in a white country, will struggle to understand racism fully.

Now, really...when was the last time something was easier to understand?

[Dogwatcher]

It seems Brad Hogg will have to front an ICC disciplinary committee for allegedly calling the Indians "Bastards"

Tit for tat.
How can the Indians try and make an opposing player front a tribunal which they obviously have no respect for? Seems hypocritical.

[smac]

It seems Brad Hogg will have to front an ICC disciplinary committee for allegedly calling the Indians "Bastards"

Tit for tat.
How can the Indians try and make an opposing player front a tribunal which they obviously have no respect for? Seems hypocritical.

Typical of the whole debacle - one issue at a time please. Get the 'monkey business' out of the way, then deal with the next issue.

This stupid finger pointing cr@p will improve the situation and relations between the 2 teams won't it?