SAAFL Division 4 & D4R (2012)

[Tony Clifton]

Bit out of character for a Salisbury West player.

Are you sure you have your facts right?

[On The Chest]

What's the go with Salisbury West??

Must be doing something right since being equal top after being newly promoted.

Had a very good side last year and have added some talent to it. I no they have lost a few players as well but T.Creek is a gun and would be close to one of the best players in this grade.

T. Creek a gun? Serious? Must be playing a hell of a lot better than he did at Wallaroo in YPFL. Perhaps the less travelling and no doubt the once in a lifetime chance to return to the SAAFL has allowed him to concentrate on footy.

Would be a better import than a couple that Wallaroo have this year,

Would have to agree with that Demon Juke.

[Noel Craig]

Had a very good side last year and have added some talent to it. I no they have lost a few players as well but T.Creek is a gun and would be close to one of the best players in this grade.[/quote]

T. Creek a gun? Serious? Must be playing a hell of a lot better than he did at Wallaroo in YPFL. Perhaps the less travelling and no doubt the once in a lifetime chance to return to the SAAFL has allowed him to concentrate on footy.[/quote]
Would be a better import than a couple that Wallaroo have this year,[/quote]
Would have to agree with that Demon Juke.[/quote]
Better then Nathan Wright? haha I've heard it all now!

[Lightning McQueen]

Unless you have first hand information please refrain from commenting on an investigation taking place.
Any presumptions or assumptions will be deleted, everybody has the right to unbiased hearing.

[carey]

From the div 5 thread

nicole wrote:

Can anyone from Salisbury West confirm an altercation between our mate Ricky Assistant coach
and an up and comming young bloke that has caused Ricky to resigne and leave the club.


I was wondering why this has not reared its head yet. Rick is now having a kick at Moonta.

[countryboy]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

[Hoodlum]

Is the Rick you're referring to Woodrow.???

[Gatt_Weasel]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

that hit the nail on the head.....who really goes out on a saturday to play football to be put in hospital by a punch or a kick......the umpire's should have a duty of care to protect all players from this and yes the problem is getting an umpire to report and turn up wednesday or thursday night to testify

[heater31]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

that hit the nail on the head.....who really goes out on a saturday to play football to be put in hospital by a punch or a kick......the umpire's should have a duty of care to protect all players from this and yes the problem is getting an umpire to report and turn up wednesday or thursday night to testify

How about this for a solution - if an investigation is brought before the league shouldn't also the umpires be investigated as to why they chose not to take action.

Umpires might be more inclined to make the trip to Thebarton if they know they are going to be hauled over the coals for sticking their head in the sand.

[HH3]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

that hit the nail on the head.....who really goes out on a saturday to play football to be put in hospital by a punch or a kick......the umpire's should have a duty of care to protect all players from this and yes the problem is getting an umpire to report and turn up wednesday or thursday night to testify

How about this for a solution - if an investigation is brought before the league shouldn't also the umpires be investigated as to why they chose not to take action.

Umpires might be more inclined to make the trip to Thebarton if they know they are going to be hauled over the coals for sticking their head in the sand.

That'll just add to the long list of reasons why people wouldnt want to umpire.

[heater31]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

that hit the nail on the head.....who really goes out on a saturday to play football to be put in hospital by a punch or a kick......the umpire's should have a duty of care to protect all players from this and yes the problem is getting an umpire to report and turn up wednesday or thursday night to testify

How about this for a solution - if an investigation is brought before the league shouldn't also the umpires be investigated as to why they chose not to take action.

Umpires might be more inclined to make the trip to Thebarton if they know they are going to be hauled over the coals for sticking their head in the sand.

That'll just add to the long list of reasons why people wouldnt want to umpire.

No umpires means no game.

[Gatt_Weasel]

a new report system needs to be put in place then if umpires to lazy to report cause they have to travel

[Lightning McQueen]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

Pretty sure the umps get financially compensated for turning up to a tribunal, some of them seem to go to town on it judging by previous seasons.

[Jabber]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

Pretty sure the umps get financially compensated for turning up to a tribunal, some of them seem to go to town on it judging by previous seasons.

Yeah $15 last time I had to do it! $5/hr by the time i drove there waited forever to be called up and then went home again!

And then when you get in there its the Ump thats the one getting grilled, not the player, because its the ump that's evidence is being questioned!

Not worth all the hassle for those that are only umping to help out thier club, and a lot of effort for those that have jobs and enjoy the opportunity to relax on a wednesday night after work!

[Lightning McQueen]

seems a bit too much undisciplined thuggery going on over the last few weeks in amateur league. Thought clubs were getting better at understanding the consequenses (both legally & club) but have heard or read of at least 4 major incidents already this year. While clubs have a duty of care to take action against their players the League can't keep putting its head in the sand and say "reports are down" because it is common knowledge that paid umpires, let alone Club umpires, won't to go to a Tribunal. Footy has changed and while Amateur & country footy is grassroots and we all enjoy the contact, thuggery isn't acceptable anymore. And the damage done to the Scotch boy on Saturday should have consequenses.

Pretty sure the umps get financially compensated for turning up to a tribunal, some of them seem to go to town on it judging by previous seasons.

Yeah $15 last time I had to do it! $5/hr by the time i drove there waited forever to be called up and then went home again!

And then when you get in there its the Ump thats the one getting grilled, not the player, because its the ump that's evidence is being questioned!

Not worth all the hassle for those that are only umping to help out thier club, and a lot of effort for those that have jobs and enjoy the opportunity to relax on a wednesday night after work!

OK, thanks Jab. Thought it was more, could give you a two for one big mac voucher to go with it.

[Choccies]

Surely then, instead of reporting a player, just send them off for the remainder of the game without replacement ?? Hurt the team and provide the punishment then and there....

[One Eyed]

Choccies great idea mate.

The yellow card is a non deterrent and the umpires really cant be botherd reporting for what ever reason.

I am sure there is a Div 4 club pondering all of these...2 broken jaws in the one round against 2 different oppostion..

[Jabber]

Surely then, instead of reporting a player, just send them off for the remainder of the game without replacement ?? Hurt the team and provide the punishment then and there....

Yep, spot on, by the end of my (esteemed) umpiring career if there was something that was reportable I gave the guy a red card which was an automatic report and off for the rest of the match, and then withdrew the report at the end of the game with the team manager.

On one occasion there were these two players boxing on so I red carded them both and after the game withdrew the report and one idiot of a Team Manager started whinging to me saying 'you cant do that, thats against the rules' so I said to him, no worries then, the report will stand and your player will get 4 weeks, how's that suit you?

He then thought about it and accepted the withdrawn report...

[countryboy]

unfortunately the clubs generally think it is their duty to protect their undiscplined players and find ways to deflect the blame to the umpires, or a previous incident in the game that "caused" it but the club officals would do better - and the image of the game better - by making the player defend himself and take whatever penalty the League (and hopefully his Club) hands out. But that doesn't, and won't, happen and that's why these types of incidents will continue - and unfortunately it's usually in the lower grades and where club disciplines and player disciplines are poor. We had a case in the country last year where an umpire was verbally threatened after the game if he didn't cancel a report. The injured player hasn't played footy since and never will but the thug still is - and still belts players most weeks and this is where his club should be either suspending him, moving him on or trying to teach him some self discipline but after 8 years you can guess this isn't going to happen - until he hits the wrong bloke and is taken to court. So I feel sorry for the young lads who have copped serious injuries from thugs recently but it won't change.

[Lightning McQueen]

Can we get the thread back to div. 4 discussion, open up another thread if you wish to discuss umpiring issues or SAAFL rule changes.