SAAFL Div 7 & Div 7R (2011)

[DKL]

Unfortunately they couldn't stop players being paid when it was amatuer and they will never be able to police salary caps either. Black money will still find it's way to the pockets of guys and really if the clubs don't regulate themselves no one else can.

werd..

Yep, and any club paying at money to win a Div 7 club should have a good hard look at itself. I mean really, they're playing against 'C' grade sides! C grade = Social Footy

[bandar]

Pretty much. The SAAFL don't have the resources to do it the SANFL don't have the resources to do it. You know the one sign to me that they gave up policing the salary cap is that I don't think the cap has risen once since it came in.

[zedman]

So it's just open slather now because its too hard?

Put in massive penalties for player payments and you would find most clubs due-dilligance would (should) rule it out...

morell its not illegal..its official from the SAAFL..you can pay players..its a club choice if they do or dont..just because your club now has a change of heart doesnt mean we all have to do the same..nothing worse than a reformed smoker

[morell]

Pretty much. The SAAFL don't have the resources to do it the SANFL don't have the resources to do it. You know the one sign to me that they gave up policing the salary cap is that I don't think the cap has risen once since it came in.

Yeah, I think it would be very difficult to police, but that doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be put in place so that it forces clubs to at least think about it.

I work in business develoment and I can tell you that as soon as anyone mentions the word "audit" people very quickly tidy up their backyards.

...but, you need the regulations in place to ensure a non-compliant audit actually results in penalty.

I tell you what, I will do it for expenses only.

So it's just open slather now because its too hard?

Put in massive penalties for player payments and you would find most clubs due-dilligance would (should) rule it out...

morell its not illegal..its official from the SAAFL..you can pay players..its a club choice if they do or dont..just because your club now has a change of heart doesnt mean we all have to do the same..nothing worse than a reformed smoker

Never said it was illegal, I said it should be.

Matey, I have been at the MPFC for 10 years and served on our committee and not once has anyone been paid for playing football at Mitchell Park. I know of a couple of blokes that got jobs through other guys at the club and I know of a few times that a couple of players were a bit negligent on subs and we turned a blind eye because they were good players, but we never forked out cold hard cash for simply playing. That I am aware of. Unless you are referring to Saturday night awards payments? They consist of free meal vouchers and if you're lucky a free beer. The A-Grade BoG gets $20-$40 I think (been a while since I got one). We would be happy to turn over such payments to the SAAFL.

Maybe back in the old SFL days but who knows what went on back then. It was the 80's after all.

[zedman]

SFL Mitchell Park (1994 - 2000) not 80's

years go quickly..and i never said you said it was illegal..i am just saying it is legal..its not a crime..and i can tell you now from my experience at 3-4 different clubs the comittees have no idea really what and who gets paid..normally only 1-2 at the top know the real story..not saying you have been paying..just saying being on the committe doesnt mean you know everything that goes on at the club

peace

[morell]

Yeah I am also a player and am pretty good mates with the senior guys. It just doesn't happen at MPFC zedman, nor has it happened during my time at the MPFC. I could practically guarantee it. It may of way back in the past, that I do not know. You are intimating that you know of a specific example, I would dare say that they are either pulling your leg or have been mis-informed themselves. Or they played in the old SFL/some other league days...

There was a presidential race this year and I know one of the candidates was pro-player payments whereas the current President is adamantly against it.

Guess who won?

[Freo HeaveHo]

I was told that Casey Varnas was promised to be paid in Killer pythons ... and that was the reason that he left the club cause they never came up with the goods. Maybe that was cause Morgan was first out of the changerooms and there was never any left. Ive seen the bloke dead set push kids out of the way to get to the front of the line at the bar

[morell]

I was told that Casey Varnas was promised to be paid in Killer pythons ... and that was the reason that he left the club cause they never came up with the goods. Maybe that was cause Morgan was first out of the changerooms and there was never any left. Ive seen the bloke dead set push kids out of the way to get to the front of the line at the bar

Bwhahaha! I just lost my shit.

Little buggers don't show no respect these days.

[zedman]

no examples morell..cheers mate

[Perfect Drug]

Unfortunately they couldn't stop players being paid when it was amatuer and they will never be able to police salary caps either. Black money will still find it's way to the pockets of guys and really if the clubs don't regulate themselves no one else can.

werd..

Yep, and any club paying at money to win a Div 7 club should have a good hard look at itself. I mean really, they're playing against 'C' grade sides! C grade = Social Footy

You sir are a moron. I'll speak only from Glenunga's point of view, but I would be amazed if it were not the case for nearly all A' Grade teams.

We will do whatever we can in an attempt to get back up the divisions. We have a player incentive scheme, when we win, the players get rewarded (paid). This is what we have introduced last year as a club to make/keep us strong, whether we be in Div 7, Div 5 or Div3. We do not want to be a Div 7 club (no disrespect to Div 7). Its not a C' Grade comp. Its not social footy. It is an A Grade comp which is topped up with the C grades of some of the stronger clubs (and we thank them for that). Unfortunately for clubs such as ourselves, Ingle Farm, MPFC and Century United last year, we have not had a good winning record of late and have slid down the Divisions due to relegation.

We are busting our butts to go climb back up and do not need to "Have a good hard look at ourselves" because of this positive ambition. If its within the rules, and makes the club stronger, I hope MY club is trying to do it.

[morell]

A club can do all of that without paying players.

You are right though, it is almost a case of - "everyone else is doing it, so we have to do it"

The SAAFL needs to act and make it so a clubs on-field success is not dependent on their spending budget. Simple as that.

[morell]

Angle Vale - Doubt it
Athelstone - C Grade
Flinders University - Doubt it
Glenunga - Yes
Ingle Farm - Not sure, Phantom?
Mawson Lakes - Yes
Mitchell Park - No
Modbury - C Grade
Sacred Heart OC - C Grade
Tea Tree Gully - C Grade

So the only clubs that are definitely paying players in 2011 (admittedly based on innuendo, gossip and rumour) are Mawson Lakes and Glenunga.

Even if North Pines and Ovingham come in and replace some C Grade sides I doubt they will be paying players either.

Whilst I think DKL was perhaps a bit terse with his response, he is right that paying players in Div 7 is probably out of the ordinary.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Ingle Farm do not pay any players.

I think the closest they come to anything like that is a few of the boys have had player sponsors covering their fees to play, thats it.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I have heard Angle Vale pay a few players though.

[morell]

I have heard Angle Vale pay a few players though.

No disrespect to Angle Vale but if thats true their results have been very, very disappointing.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I have heard Angle Vale pay a few players though.

No disrespect to Angle Vale but if thats true their results have been very, very disappointing.

Might be just this year they are looking to pay players then?

[The_Warrior]

Angle Vale - Doubt it
Athelstone - C Grade
Flinders University - Doubt it
Glenunga - Yes
Ingle Farm - Not sure, Phantom?
Mawson Lakes - Yes
Mitchell Park - No
Modbury - C Grade
Sacred Heart OC - C Grade
Tea Tree Gully - C Grade

So the only clubs that are definitely paying players in 2011 (admittedly based on innuendo, gossip and rumour) are Mawson Lakes and Glenunga.

Even if North Pines and Ovingham come in and replace some C Grade sides I doubt they will be paying players either.

Whilst I think DKL was perhaps a bit terse with his response, he is right that paying players in Div 7 is probably out of the ordinary.

Not sure where you got your info on ML, but it's false. Unless you count a playing Assistant Coach as a paid player?

But we do pay the Riddler to keep up his fashion sense for the ladies of Adelaide.

[brocky05]

Wondering how Mawson Lakes are looking this season? Have they picked up anyone? Also and news if North Pines are joining this grade. Played a bit out there years ago and might go back.

[dee man]

Angle Vale - Doubt it
Athelstone - C Grade
Flinders University - Doubt it
Glenunga - Yes
Ingle Farm - Not sure, Phantom?
Mawson Lakes - Yes
Mitchell Park - No
Modbury - C Grade
Sacred Heart OC - C Grade
Tea Tree Gully - C Grade

So the only clubs that are definitely paying players in 2011 (admittedly based on innuendo, gossip and rumour) are Mawson Lakes and Glenunga.

Even if North Pines and Ovingham come in and replace some C Grade sides I doubt they will be paying players either.

Whilst I think DKL was perhaps a bit terse with his response, he is right that paying players in Div 7 is probably out of the ordinary.

can guarantee you ovingham pay no one.
be nice to have the finances to have the problem of voting on whether to pay or not

[brocky05]

Jason Hiscock, Phil Furner, Dale Ross, Adam Elliss (Not 100% sure) plus Craig Delaney is now the Vice President of North Pines so he may try get a few across. Im pretty sure there is a couple of others I may have forgotten. Lets not forget Steve Newchurch played a couple of seasons at the Pines also.

Didnt even know these guys had left North Pines. What was the reason to go to Paralowie! Arch enimes back in my day. Remeber playing them at our ground the first time we were in the same grade.
Was a big crowd at our home ground and a pretty rough match.