Does anybody have the most premierships list?

[GWW]

This is probably for another thread, but i think the premiership sides from mid 80's to around 1990 would beat the premiers of the last 15 years by at least 10 goals.

Look at those Port, Glenelg and North premiership sides, of the mid to late 80's, they were great SANFL footy teams.

Sturt 02 premiership side would have gotten beaten by their 88 side (who didn't win the premiership that year) - Dilena, the Russells, Whittlesea, Welsby etc etc.

Centrals premiership sides of this decade i think would have been beaten by Centrals circa 89 - McAdam, Lee, Bubner, Girdham, Mandemaker, Handley etc.

North's runners up this year would not have gotten within 15 goals of their 87 side - Jarmans, Hart, Bennett, Clisby etc etc

All very hypothetical i know, but an interesting point of discussion.

[spell_check]

FM - rather than just make that statement and leave it, why does Psyber have no idea?

Other teams playing were playing as amateurs,what a load of sh!t dog.
You blokes can't give credit where its due.
Back in that era,it was a far better standard 2 what it is 2day.
Smith would sh!t all over the current CHF's.
When the standard was good,even Central's couldn't win a flag.

You could argue whether or not teams of today would beat teams in the 80s - I reckon teams of today would have the upper hand on fitness - but as someone who is committed to preserving and in a way promoting the League and its' history through my stats, I don't think anyone should try and downgrade any teams premierships (or multiple premierships) because of the V/AFL induced reduction of talent.

That goes for downgrading players,such as D.Smith..
Name me a more dominate CHF since he retired???????

CHF is considered one of the hardest positions to play, so if anyone was a standout eg. Pavlich, he would be snapped up by AFL clubs quick smart. Dominant players in the SANFL that stay around for say 7-8 seasons or more nowadays are most likely to be midfielders with footy smarts, but aren't considered to be quick enough for AFL.

Answering your question, I do find it hard to think of a dominant CHF post 1991 (or in Smiths' case, post 1998) because of the reasons above.

[spell_check]

This is probably for another thread, but i think the premiership sides from mid 80's to around 1990 would beat the premiers of the last 15 years by at least 10 goals.

Look at those Port, Glenelg and North premiership sides, of the mid to late 80's, they were great SANFL footy teams.

Sturt 02 premiership side would have gotten beaten by their 88 side (who didn't win the premiership that year) - Dilena, the Russells, Whittlesea, Welsby etc etc.

Centrals premiership sides of this decade i think would have been beaten by Centrals circa 89 - McAdam, Lee, Bubner, Girdham, Mandemaker, Handley etc.

North's runners up this year would not have gotten within 15 goals of their 87 side - Jarmans, Hart, Bennett, Clisby etc etc

All very hypothetical i know, but an interesting point of discussion.

There wouldn't be too many to argue heavily against that, but my point is that it's important not to talk down recent premierships for the good of the SANFL.

[smac]

Whilst in the 80's I paid little attention to other sides, the current dogs sides would leave the 88 side for dead. Too much discipline, skill and fitness.

I agree with your statement as well, spelly. Just be passionate about the SANFL in its current form without bagging it.

[rogernumber10]

I'm sure the 97 Norwood side isn't as good as our previous premiers, but still happily take it. I think the approach to SANFL footy should be like watching your favourite team in the park. Don't stress about the different standard, but just enjoy it for being what it is, and the fact you're there.

[Macca19]

Stephen White is probably the only regular decent performer at CHF since Smith.

[Dogwatcher]

FM - rather than just make that statement and leave it, why does Psyber have no idea?

Other teams playing were playing as amateurs,what a load of sh!t dog.

Mate, I never said I agreed with Psyber. In fact it's fairly unlikely I ever would. I just thought you could expand on your opinion, which you did.

Back in that era,it was a far better standard 2 what it is 2day.
Smith would sh!t all over the current CHF's.
When the standard was good,even Central's couldn't win a flag.

I've never disputed that the SANFL wasn't better then, and never would.
But your comment "even Centrals couldn't win a flag" is humourous - I guess people have to find something to have a crack at us about, because they can't say "show us yer premierships" any more.
I guess that sort of comment suggests a worry about the Port Magpies' position in the world now.....take us back to the glory days eh?

That goes for downgrading players,such as D.Smith..
Name me a more dominate CHF since he retired???????

Hmmmm...people were downgrading Darren Smith before he retired. In fact before he even played for the Crows, many of them Magpies supporters. But, I'm sure if you had half a read through this thread - rather than taken a ham fisted view - you'd see that most people have even defended him. Not all of them Port supporters either.

Question...are you Darren Smith? (This is almost like Guess who).

Your defence of Port and its players is very interesting though seeing as you're an Eagles fan....

[NO-MERCY]

Hmmmm...people were downgrading Darren Smith before he retired. In fact before he even played for the Crows, many of them Magpies supporters. But, I'm sure if you had half a read through this thread - rather than taken a ham fisted view - you'd see that most people have even defended him. Not all of them Port supporters either.

Question...are you Darren Smith? (This is almost like Guess who).

Your defence of Port and its players is very interesting though seeing as you're an Eagles fan....[/quote]

I'm not Darren Smith.
I dont give a rats toss about Port.
Im just defending Smithy from the critics,that can't acknowledge a good player.
Whether he's from Port or the Buffalo's in Darwin.
Its like the Gowan boys,its hard 2 like them if you don't barrack for Centrals.
But i respect them & would have them in my side any day.
I know your gonna say,they've got more sh!t in them than Smith,but hey,they have more sh!t in them than 80% of the league.All players are different.
Smith served his purpose in alot of other ways for his 7 premierships.
The Gowan's could be around 7 aswell?
With a chance they can go one better next year.

[Dogwatcher]

Nah - the Gowans' can defend themselves.
I never said smith was a poor player BTW. Not a great player, but definitely above the norm - he'd have to be to play in seven flags.

However, good on you for defending a Port player so vociferously. An especially rare thing from a supporter of the neighbouring side...

[Footy Chick]

A couple of points:

A) Darren Smith was a great CHF and while even I thought him to be a bit sqishy at times, I still feel that him and John Klug (imo) were the best in the league at the time.

B) No, there probably haven't been any as good since, as the structure of the game has changed so much in the last 15 years that a team is not so reliant on the the big guy who can mark a footy in that position anymore.

GWW , to a point I disagree with your theory of current premiership sides not getting within a bulls roar of their predecessors. (whilst I do see your point though)

It's just back then, the names were household and were probably revered (sp) more by the general public. Who are the blokes who play now?? Really??? But I can bet your bottom dollar the fitness, discipline and game style would surpass that of the average 1980's player. Unfortunatley, the game as a whole for the best part has become a bore to watch.... only for sanitization of the rules...

[Dogwatcher]

well said.

[NO-MERCY]

A couple of points:

A) Darren Smith was a great CHF and while even I thought him to be a bit sqishy at times, I still feel that him and John Klug (imo) were the best in the league at the time.

B) No, there probably haven't been any as good since, as the structure of the game has changed so much in the last 15 years that a team is not so reliant on the the big guy who can mark a footy in that position anymore.

GWW , to a point I disagree with your theory of current premiership sides not getting within a bulls roar of their predecessors. (whilst I do see your point though)

It's just back then, the names were household and were probably revered (sp) more by the general public. Who are the blokes who play now?? Really??? But I can bet your bottom dollar the fitness, discipline and game style would surpass that of the average 1980's player. Unfortunatley, the game as a whole for the best part has become a bore to watch.... only for sanitization of the rules...

I like that Falcon Chick,very good.

[Wedgie]

I don't think comparing eras is trashing the current comp. I love the current comp more than most BUT teams of the 80s would beat teams today by monster margins. IMHO GWW was spot on if not generous to current sides.
You've got to remember in 86 North Adelaide beat teams like Melbourne and Collingwood. How close do you think they'd get to Collingwood in Melbourne these days?
Watching 87 higlights at the 87 reunion this year everyone agreed that the skills on show in those days were phenomenal.

Ive recently watched some games from 97, and even then the skill level seemed to be higher than now.

I don't think its unhealthy to have these discussions, I think its natural and happens in all sports.

Back on the subject of CHF, it is a good point that it doesn't seem to be a position held down for too long these days. We'll have Alleway holding the spot for his 3rd year in a row in 08 but we haven't had a long term CHF since Peter Bennett retired.
Other clubs seem to be the same.
CHF certainly doesn't seem to be as important on the footy field as it used to in the current days play. Im a big Adam Grocke fan but the fact the Eagles won a premiership with him at CHF proves that. It used to be the most important position on the ground but teams attack around the flanks or over CHF these days to that hotspot about 35m out.

[Blue Boy]

Sturt 02 premiership side would have gotten beaten by their 88 side (who didn't win the premiership that year) - Dilena, the Russells, Whittlesea, Welsby etc etc.

Sorry cant agree there in 88 we just made the five !!!

[GWW]

Sturt 02 premiership side would have gotten beaten by their 88 side (who didn't win the premiership that year) - Dilena, the Russells, Whittlesea, Welsby etc etc.

Sorry cant agree there in 88 we just made the five !!!

Without looking at the final 5 for that year, Sturt no doubt would have had Port, Glenelg, North and Norwood in front of them. Port, Glenelg and North had great sides around that time, Norwood as well. Sturt defeated Port in one particular game i recall at Footy Park (Johnston/Dilena incident). I still say the standard of that year/era was a fair bit above the current era.

[am Bays]

Sturt 02 premiership side would have gotten beaten by their 88 side (who didn't win the premiership that year) - Dilena, the Russells, Whittlesea, Welsby etc etc.

Sorry cant agree there in 88 we just made the five !!!

Without looking at the final 5 for that year, Sturt no doubt would have had Port, Glenelg, North and Norwood in front of them. Port, Glenelg and North had great sides around that time, Norwood as well. Sturt defeated Port in one particular game i recall at Footy Park (Johnston/Dilena incident). I still say the standard of that year/era was a fair bit above the current era.

Nah the final five that year was in reverse order, Sturt, Centrals, Norwood, Glenelg and Port.

North finished 7th IIRC, a real premiership hangover one might say.

[GWW]

So Tassie, what you think of the relative strength of the SANFL circa 1988 compared to today or you dont have an opinion on that?

[am Bays]

It is hard for me to give a valid comment as in 1988 I was living in Darwin and wasn't seeing the competition week in and week out.

Whilst making my above comment I was thinking who in the current Glenelg side would make the 1988 team

1988 - Peter Carey, Nick Chigwidden, Scott Salisbury, Allan Stringer, Wayne Stringer, Jim West, Mark Donovan, Craig Budarick, Chris McDermott, Kym Hodgeman, Mark Hewitt, John Schneebichler, Dennis Russell, Tony Symonds (can't remember when he went over 87 or 88), Ross Gibbs etc

Of teh current side I'd probably only put in Mouse, Benny Moore, Mules, Fisher and Benny Kane. Ruory Kirkby and McConnell as possibilities

So in a nutshell my perspective is the BC (before Crows) competition was better but as I said I'm not sure how valid more comment is living 3000 km away from the action in 1988 (thank goodness the Smith St Mall newsagency used to get about a dozen Football Times flown up each week so I could follow the footy from a distance.

[JK]

Think there was more natural talent back in those days, but the playing field is very different these days ... Rules have changed, infringements and penalties have changed, tactics have improved as have fitness levels.