Magarey Medal 2011

[Grahaml]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

[The Sleeping Giant]

I guess it all evens out. Didn't Thomas get votes in a game when he probably shouldn't have.

[HOORAY PUNT]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

When did this happen ?

[Locky]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

When did this happen ?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6145365044

Grahaml is Jai paying you royalties for giving him his stories?

Thomas comes across pretty poorly in the article:

CENTRAL District captain Paul Thomas has called for a review of the Magarey Medal voting system.

He has called for the changes after potentially being robbed of his second medal on Tuesday because of an overturned report.

"If I was completely taken off the table because of a report that was thrown out at nine o'clock Monday morning, the umpiring fraternity needs to go back and say `our job is to pick the best player, the tribunal is there to decide who is the fairest'," Thomas said.

"But I'm playing for a chance to play in a Grand Final today with 20 of my best mates and Jimmy Allan isn't."

Given Thomas has already won the medal, you'd think he'd have been a little less concerned about the issue, especially at this stage of CDs season, and perhaps a little more gracious in defeat to a worthy winner. Of course he may well have been 'encouraged' in his statements, and as a side note, I actually agree with the point Grahaml, Jai and Paul are making. Doesn't change the fact Thomas comes across as a sore loser and a bit of a sulk.

[Aerie]

[blueandwhite]

Now that Nick Liddle has finsihed second, does that mean he is good enough to join James Boyd at Centrals?

where would We put him? Can he ruck?

Liddle is under contract at South for the next 2 yrs; He's twice the player/person Boyd was at South ,so I figure the transfer fee would be double what you played for Boyd. Maybe you could hold a few more "seminars "then you could afford him..

[goraw]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

When did this happen ?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6145365044

Grahaml is Jai paying you royalties for giving him his stories?

Thomas comes across pretty poorly in the article:

CENTRAL District captain Paul Thomas has called for a review of the Magarey Medal voting system.

He has called for the changes after potentially being robbed of his second medal on Tuesday because of an overturned report.

"If I was completely taken off the table because of a report that was thrown out at nine o'clock Monday morning, the umpiring fraternity needs to go back and say `our job is to pick the best player, the tribunal is there to decide who is the fairest'," Thomas said.

"But I'm playing for a chance to play in a Grand Final today with 20 of my best mates and Jimmy Allan isn't."

Given Thomas has already won the medal, you'd think he'd have been a little less concerned about the issue, especially at this stage of CDs season, and perhaps a little more gracious in defeat to a worthy winner. Of course he may well have been 'encouraged' in his statements, and as a side note, I actually agree with the point Grahaml, Jai and Paul are making. Doesn't change the fact Thomas comes across as a sore loser and a bit of a sulk.

probably just jealous of the fact james is a better player than him

[CENTURION]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

Another reason why the umps shouldn't award the votes. Hopefully Thommo has been misquoted, otherwise it's a bit sooky.

[PhilH]

From my memory of reading SA football history .. William Magarey established the medal not so much as to reward the best player but to encourage more fair play.

Apparently he was concerned back in the day about the level of thugish behaviour and thought if the medal could only be won by a player not reportered (& found guilty) it would encourage the best players to play by the rules and thus lift the general standard of play.

Of course what has radically changed even in the last 10 years is the wider scope of infringements you can now get reported for...... and a rapid increase in reports that dont lead to missing a game (either thrown out, found not guilty or only worth a reprimand).

It used to be that to be reported it needed to be something serious ie a strike

Now you see things resulting for a instant poor decision / timing like tripping, charging, sling tackles and pretty much any head high contact in a contest. A lot of these are just part of the game and dont relate to the "thug" mentality Magarey was trying to eliminate.

I can understand why based on the initial purpose of the medal that umpires do not give votes to reported players.

However it is now out of date and needs changing.

[Punk Rooster]

SANFL have caused a big old mess by admitting umpires are more or less told not to give votes to players who get reported. Big can of worms there given the report on Paul Thomas against, considered by some to be BOG, was thrown out so quickly and clear to everyone to not even be close to something someone might get suspended for. The system has to change. A silly report mayb well have cost a bloke a Magarey. Granted, plenty of other things might be different, he might have got 1 or 0 votes anyway and it's not the #1 aim of any footballer. But why have the award at all if you're going to compromise the integrity of it?

have a chat with the Kernahan family

[SDK]

I agree with Thomas and also applaud him for his honesty in saying what he thinks.
How many frivilous reports were handed out and instantly thrown out this year ? In one instance a player is wrongly reported twice and removed from the ground !!!!!!!!!
Personally I would prefer to have seen Thomas win the medal as he is a hard at it ball player not a receiver.

[smac]

Has a player ever received votes in a match the umpire(s) have reported him in? If so, then the rules have been changed without telling anyone. Not sure when the umpires supervisor got the power to alter the Magarey Medal - I hope he doesn't have the power and I hope he doesn't think he does!

And yes goraw, Thommo is infinitely jealous of all that James Allan has from his footy career. Thommo would trade the time on an AFL list, a bucketful of premierships, some as captain, just for an extra couple of magarey medals.

[Dogwatcher]

Yeah, he'd definitely be jealous.

[goraw]

i woke up grumpy ok ,but his smartass comment wasnt really called for.

[Dogwatcher]

I did think it might cause comment, that quote.
But...I know that Thommo's a class act and he certainly wouldn't have meant it the way it came across.

[Jimmy]

"But I'm playing for a chance to play in a Grand Final today with 20 of my best mates and Jimmy Allan isn't."

This quote sounds very bad, and I'm sure he didn't mean it. It's not like Allan made up the rules.

He might have a case but it does come across as sooky. The rules may need to be adjusted according the PH's post.

[Leaping Lindner]

You'd hope the guy was badly misquoted otherwise that's an olympic standard dummy spit.

[locky801]

You'd hope the guy was badly misquoted otherwise that's an olympic standard dummy spit.

You would think he was misquoted, Centrals as much as alot dont like them are not about individuality but team work and team sense and especially bringing something like this out on the eve of a 2nd semi final doesnt seem right. If Thomas has quoted this or whatever I think you can guarantee that Roy Laird would not be impressed one bit as it in some way or another takes the mindset a little off of playing in a final.

personally if he has made the quotes alleged, pretty piss poor effort that, as has been stated in this thread, how many votes did he get which he didnt deserve etc etc. Dont get me wrong, the guy is a great footballer but hell over all the years the medal has been presented I am sure there are players that were hard done by (Paul Bagshaw one that comes to mind) but never whinged

at the end of the day it's a team game, indivdual awards are nice once you have retired but it is all about the team and premierships

[on the rails]

I don't see anything wrong with his comment and I can't believe people are making a big deal about it. It is clear that despite the media fuss and in principle I agree with the intent of the story and could understand Thomas feeling frustrated with the Umpires admission however his quote really just sums up the importance he places on medals vs playing in GF's and Premierships which James Allan has also stated is far more important after each of his wins. There was no disrespect meant from Thomas he was just being honest!

[Big Phil]

I don't see anything wrong with his comment and I can't believe people are making a big deal about it. It is clear that despite the media fuss and in principle I agree with the intent of the story and could understand Thomas feeling frustrated with the Umpires admission however his quote really just sums up the importance he places on medals vs playing in GF's and Premierships which James Allan has also stated is far more important after each of his wins. There was no disrespect meant from Thomas he was just being honest!

Agreed otr, well said.