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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby wycbloods » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:22 pm

bennymacca wrote:
Squids wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

bad for the Redbacks


fair chance they wont even take another batsman if marsh doesnt recover in time, given henriques is going over there. he would be a decent option to come in at 6 if need be


He's been added to the squad to cover Faulkner who is injured and won't tour SA.

Hughes would have the be the batsmen added to the squad if Marsh doesn't come up.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:29 pm

I'm saying they might not even take a backup if henriques goes, as he is better bat than Faulkner and could fill in if Dolan or watto got injured.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby beeroclock » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:34 pm

bennymacca wrote:I'm saying they might not even take a backup if henriques goes, as he is better bat than Faulkner and could fill in if Dolan or watto got injured.

I say you beauty.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby rod_rooster » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:36 pm

The following is from October last year but still very relevant and a good read:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/a-straight-bat-cricket-blog/2013/oct/25/shaun-marsh-the-special-one

Perhaps my favorite quote is this one:

"The Shaun Marsh who the selectors believe in doesn't exist. He is a figment of their imagination, a shadow just beyond their grasp, the lost love forever dancing on the edge of their consciousness. He's not real."
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Gozu » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:52 pm

rod_rooster wrote:The following is from October last year but still very relevant and a good read:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/a-straight-bat-cricket-blog/2013/oct/25/shaun-marsh-the-special-one

Perhaps my favorite quote is this one:

"The Shaun Marsh who the selectors believe in doesn't exist. He is a figment of their imagination, a shadow just beyond their grasp, the lost love forever dancing on the edge of their consciousness. He's not real."


That really was a good read,
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:10 am

Good article, particularly as Hughes was once again dropped for marsh in the one dayers. Makes me sad for him

Averages over 44 in every form of the game at state level, including T20.

Just doesn't look as good doing it.

Really hope they pick him when rogers retires
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby whufc » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:55 am

Imho the jury is still out on Hughes at test level but the fact is he continues to go back to the shield and knock out big runs year after year.

It's an absolute joke that blokes like Bailey and Marsh are being picked over him for the number 6 spot.

Have we learnt nothing from the blonde don lol

Reward the blokes who consistently hit runs in the shield ffs
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby hawks21 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:09 am

whufc wrote:Imho the jury is still out on Hughes at test level but the fact is he continues to go back to the shield and knock out big runs year after year.

It's an absolute joke that blokes like Bailey and Marsh are being picked over him for the number 6 spot.

Have we learnt nothing from the blonde don lol

Reward the blokes who consistently hit runs in the shield ffs

Agreed. He will play a big role in future test teams i have no doubt. In the meantime he will keep hitting hundreds and will break Boof's Sheffield Shield run total record by the end of his career!
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:16 am

Agree the jury is still out at test level, but I can't think of any other shield player that is better qualified
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby valleys07 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:33 pm

rod_rooster wrote:The following is from October last year but still very relevant and a good read:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/a-straight-bat-cricket-blog/2013/oct/25/shaun-marsh-the-special-one

Perhaps my favorite quote is this one:

"The Shaun Marsh who the selectors believe in doesn't exist. He is a figment of their imagination, a shadow just beyond their grasp, the lost love forever dancing on the edge of their consciousness. He's not real."


Great article.

Such a shame that first class domestic performances mean absolutely nothing now. Can only imagine what must be going through Hughesy's mind...
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Booney » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:41 pm

I can't believe the selectors have gone backwards twice, once with Marsh and once more with now Moe-he-says Henry-ques.

Both were tried, both failed.

Shows they have no faith in Watson's body and feel they must carry a second all-rounder to cover him. With 3 quicks, a spinner and Watson there's enough real back up with Smith and Clarke if needed. Warner even bowls some tweakers.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby whufc » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:07 pm

Agree we are picking a squad member purely to cover Watson no other reason

I don't mind people who have failed at test level before being re-tried if they have gone back and earnt the recall through shield performances ala Rogers, Smith, Hughes, Warner
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:31 pm

enriques is only 26, (turns 27 in a few days) and averages 32 with the bat and 28 with the ball at shield level. only had 6 tests too, so i dont think it is a tried and failed proposition.

happy for him to go, faulkner has jumped ahead of him, that is the only reason he isnt playing more international cricket right now.

people seem to forget that almost all youngsters are dropped at one point in their career.

hayden
langer
clarke
steve waugh
brett lee

could have easily been warne too
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Gozu » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:49 pm

bennymacca wrote:enriques is only 26, (turns 27 in a few days) and averages 32 with the bat and 28 with the ball at shield level. only had 6 tests too, so i dont think it is a tried and failed proposition.

happy for him to go, faulkner has jumped ahead of him, that is the only reason he isnt playing more international cricket right now.

people seem to forget that almost all youngsters are dropped at one point in their career.

hayden
langer
clarke
steve waugh
brett lee

could have easily been warne too


and Ponting.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:15 pm

ponting did come to mind when i was writing that list, but i wasnt 100% sure off the top of my head so i didnt include him
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Ecky » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:46 am

rod_rooster wrote:The following is from October last year but still very relevant and a good read:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/a-straight-bat-cricket-blog/2013/oct/25/shaun-marsh-the-special-one

Perhaps my favorite quote is this one:

"The Shaun Marsh who the selectors believe in doesn't exist. He is a figment of their imagination, a shadow just beyond their grasp, the lost love forever dancing on the edge of their consciousness. He's not real."

I loved that article too - being written well before his latest callup just adds even more to the argument now. The Moneyball undertones to it all appeal to me a lot too.

Another good read along somewhat similar lines is this piece from Ed Smith - how we shouldn't pigeonhole players and have too fixed views on their ability and potential http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/713637.html. So yes, the selectors don't have to forget about Shaun Marsh, but at least wait until he scores some runs in first class cricket first!
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Panther Pack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:53 pm

Bird passed fit will tour to South Africa as spare bowler.

No word on Marsh yet I really don't want S.A to lose Hughes and think it would be good for him to keep playing in Oz rather than sit in change room as reserve batsman.
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:00 pm

The Cricket God's have intervened in this one thankfully and the right bloke is headed to South Africa.

Marsh out, Hughes in http://www.cricket.com.au/news-list/2014/1/30/phil-hughes-replaces-shaun-marsh-on-south-africa-tour
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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby Squids » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:02 pm

FFS

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Re: Test Squad for South African Tour - predictions & discus

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:25 pm

Happy for Hughes, but does outle shield chances a world of hurt. Prime time for Travis head to score a few big tons
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