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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby MW » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:14 am

amber_fluid wrote:
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daysofourlives wrote:For those of you who had the vax, did you have to sign something saying you are taking it voluntarily?

That doesnt ring alarm bells for anyone???
You sign the same form for any vaccination ****!


True but other vaccinations are voluntarily.
This one isn’t.

Big difference IMO


Um yeah it is voluntary. you might be restricted in what you can do, but it's your choice.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:16 am

MW wrote:
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daysofourlives wrote:For those of you who had the vax, did you have to sign something saying you are taking it voluntarily?

That doesnt ring alarm bells for anyone???
You sign the same form for any vaccination ****!


True but other vaccinations are voluntarily.
This one isn’t.

Big difference IMO


Um yeah it is voluntary. you might be restricted in what you can do, but it's your choice.


We all know where it’s heading though.
Restricting one’s choices is pretty much the same though.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:17 am

daysofourlives wrote:So with the case numbers rising in Victoria are all the pro lockdown people staying in lockdown? You know because its all about health afterall. :D
Funny how there was no covid deaths for quite a long time and then the vaccine got rolled out and bingo deaths started happening again.

Any predictions on when we go into lockdown? got to get the vax numbers up. I see WA has added a third group of people who must be vaccinated if they go ito another lockdown, its almost as though its planned, surely not :D
I think it will be next Thursday, just a short sharp 5 day lockdown so you can all suck Marshalls dick again for looking after you and you can get on your high horse and tell all the pro choice people theyre being selfish and need to get vaxed. Who's more insecure, its the ones that have had the jab but still dont believe it works because they are so scared of unvaxed people, its comical.
Data coming from the US now the vax is totally ineffective so totally ineffective booster shots it now is.
I thought we were going to get a lock down a few weeks back. Not sure I reckon we still have another one coming.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:19 am

daysofourlives wrote:
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stan wrote:[quote="amber_fluid"]Received the memo today from the CEO that we have to be vaccinated before November if we want to continue our employment there……………
Going to be an interesting month ahead for a few at work
What's your thoughts on it?


I got the 1st jab last month as I knew it was coming.
Money talks whether I agree with it or not though I probably would have done it anyway.

There is one lady who is adamant she isn’t getting the jab and she’s an important employee so we’ll see how that plays out.
Very interested to hear how that plays out.

I'm not sure employers can enforce this to be honest. I mean do they ask if you have your flu jab?

Interesting times.


The federal government is not mandating anything, saying its voluntary, im of the understanding when state directions are inconsistent with Federal the federal over rides it.
Part of Federal law requires you to give valid consent, without coercion. It seems what they are doing is illegal and they are being allowed to do it. The thing that bothers me though is why it hasnt been defeated in court yet.
What is the employers reason for wanting to get staff vaccinated? Is it for safety? then why cant the rapid antigen test be done before commencing work seen as though you can still catch it and spread it even though youve been vaccinated, wouldnt that make more sense??? Thats what i will be saying to my boss. And heres some advice for people that dont want the jab, do not quit your job, make them put it in writing, the reasons why and make them sign it, i think youll be in for a tidy sum eventually. And make it clear to your boss that it will be him thats forking out, it wont be the State government.
Also Stan on your point about flu jab, i will be asking my boss for his and all of the staffs most recent HIV test, his most recent STD test (no im not sleeping with him haha) but cups are shared, toilets are shared. See how ridiculous it is, my medical status is nobodies business. Even if you are jabbed its still none of your employers business.[/quote]Are you sleeping with his wife though?
If that was the case then I would have the results of his STD and HIV tests as well lol.

Its just all strange and seems like it's the I thing for a company to do.

Maybe it is about being risk adverse? I'm not sure but you are correct that if they are going to sack you, get it in writing.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:20 am

FlyingHigh wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Talking to a friend of mine in Sicktoria
His daughter was admitted to hospital with chest pains over the weekend.
Caused by the Pfizer vaccine
The doctor said they are getting 5 - 10 admittances per day from the vaccine but they are not allowed to say anything publicly


That's hardly news, has been reported before. I was warned of that when I got my jabs, and after my first one I had a feeling around heart for a few days like I had twinged a muscle, but not serious to go to hosptial.
And 5-10 is hardly many out of a city as over-populated as Melbourne.


That was quick! Only happened last weekend and I posted 9am Monday
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby RB » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:11 pm

I have a few thoughts regarding employers making vaccines mandatory for employees (in the sense that the employee will be dismissed if they don't get vaccinated).

For starters, I wouldn't support any law that actually mandated vaccination for the general public, as in, everyone was forced to take the jab.

In that sense I agree that people should have the freedom to choose whether they undergo a particular medical procedure.

However, freedom works both ways.

If - as I think should be the case - people are able to choose whether they get vaccinated - then I think employers should also be able to decide they don't wish to employ unvaccinated workers, certainly in respect of new employees - e.g. I support the freedom of employers to choose to hire only fully vaccinated folks - and to some extent also in terms of existing employees, particularly where spreading viruses is more likely or has more serious consequences - e.g. roles where you have contact with lots of members of the public, roles which require lots of travel, the health sector, etc.

I suspect that any employers proposing to make vaccination a condition of continued employment have probably been advised they're on safe ground legally - à la the construction company making hard hats mandatory - but either way, I don't think such a condition is any different to the sort of obligations required in most codes of conduct - not showing up to work drunk, following various safety procedures, wearing safety equipment, not endangering other employees or members of the public. We don't usually question these 'mandates'.

Ultimately, as someone mentioned above, employers are way more concerned with money than ideology. If they think it's going to cost them more not to make vaccination an employment condition, then obviously they're going to move to minimize their liability risk.

I think some folks have failed to look at the 'flip side' of the 'freedom' argument. Surely if we accept - as I do - that people are free to refuse the jab, then others are also free to try to limit their contact with unvaccinated folks? And surely employers, and for that matter pubs, restaurants, shops, and really all businesses are free to exclude certain people if they feel that they pose a safety risk?

It just seems a total hyprocisy to me to say that, on the one hand, people have the freedom not to get vaccinated, but that on the other hand, other people aren't free to exclude the unvaccinated from their workplaces, places of business etc.

(Of course there need to be exemptions for the very small number of people who may be unable to get vaccinated for medical reasons or age.)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby MW » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:22 pm

I think ultimately the way it will work is, employees will not be sacked for not getting vaccinated, but it will be very difficult for them to come to work and they are effectively resigning if they choose not to get vaccinated and cannot go to work.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:24 pm

With the exemption of the vac has anyone tried to get one from a doc?
A friend has MS and all the health issues that go with it and his doctor and 2 others he has visited will not give him an exemption.
They all said we understand your situation but we are not touching this.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:27 pm

amber_fluid wrote:With the exemption of the vac has anyone tried to get one from a doc?
A friend has MS and all the health issues that go with it and his doctor and 2 others he has visited will not give him an exemption.
They all said we understand your situation but we are not touching this.


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:11 pm

First night of freedom here in Melbourne….. think we may have a quiet night in!
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby DOC » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:44 pm

When does cricket start for you?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Corona Man » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:22 pm

DOC wrote:When does cricket start for you?

After the Spring Carnival!

Nov 12th I think most comps over here get away.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:03 pm

So Football at AO with 25k is ok.
The Christmas pageant at AO with 35k is ok.

City to bay is not ok, approx 10k (7k registered at the time of cancellation)

Tour down Under is not ok. Not sure on crowd figures but I'll ask UK fan.

We have no Covid and will not ease any restrictions until the Vax targets are reached.

We have no road map at the moment. So business are still not even sure what the plan is.

Scatter gun approach going on now.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Wedgie » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:12 pm

stan wrote:So Football at AO with 25k is ok.
The Christmas pageant at AO with 35k is ok.

City to bay is not ok, approx 10k (7k registered at the time of cancellation)

Tour down Under is not ok. Not sure on crowd figures but I'll ask UK fan.

We have no Covid and will not ease any restrictions until the Vax targets are reached.

We have no road map at the moment. So business are still not even sure what the plan is.

Scatter gun approach going on now.

In fairness even outside of covid, footy and Christmas should get a higher priority than wankers running down a road designed for cars when there's perfectly good footpaths or dickhead Lycra clad freaks who have purpose built velodromes but insist on delaying normal people going about their day to day lives. It does make sense.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:31 am

Wedgie wrote:
stan wrote:So Football at AO with 25k is ok.
The Christmas pageant at AO with 35k is ok.

City to bay is not ok, approx 10k (7k registered at the time of cancellation)

Tour down Under is not ok. Not sure on crowd figures but I'll ask UK fan.

We have no Covid and will not ease any restrictions until the Vax targets are reached.

We have no road map at the moment. So business are still not even sure what the plan is.

Scatter gun approach going on now.

In fairness even outside of covid, footy and Christmas should get a higher priority than wankers running down a road designed for cars when there's perfectly good footpaths or dickhead Lycra clad freaks who have purpose built velodromes but insist on delaying normal people going about their day to day lives. It does make sense.
What so dickheads can get pissed and kicked out of games ;)


Perhaps SA health believe that in the waste land that is Port Adelaide fans, not even the virus can survive.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Brodlach » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:34 am

Due to sweat of the runners, makes it more easily transmissible
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:43 am

Brodlach wrote:Due to sweat of the runners, makes it more easily transmissible
You seem to be missing out on my poke at Port fans here. Come on, it was good.

But yes I assume that was the reason the city to bay was rejected.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Pseudo » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:44 am

Brodlach wrote:Due to sweat of the runners, makes it more easily transmissible

:?: I thought the virus was an airborne thing. You had to breathe it in to catch it.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:29 am

stan wrote:So Football at AO with 25k is ok.
The Christmas pageant at AO with 35k is ok.

City to bay is not ok, approx 10k (7k registered at the time of cancellation)

Tour down Under is not ok. Not sure on crowd figures but I'll ask UK fan.

We have no Covid and will not ease any restrictions until the Vax targets are reached.

We have no road map at the moment. So business are still not even sure what the plan is.

Scatter gun approach going on now.
The state government doesn’t want to make the hard call and mandate vaccinations but is instead putting the onus back on to businesses to enforce. Those businesses and events that have mandatory vaccination will be “rewarded” by the government and have restrictions eased or even removed completely.
Just recently Womad applied for a permit with mandatory vaccination and was approved instantly. Several other events were knocked on the head because they wouldn’t enforce vaccination.
Hospitality venues that only allow vaccinated patrons will have no capacity restrictions and likewise sporting events. AO with a full 50k for the Ashes with mandatory vaccination or 25-30k capacity without vaccination rules, what do you think AO will choose?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:32 pm

RB wrote:I have a few thoughts regarding employers making vaccines mandatory for employees (in the sense that the employee will be dismissed if they don't get vaccinated).

For starters, I wouldn't support any law that actually mandated vaccination for the general public, as in, everyone was forced to take the jab.

In that sense I agree that people should have the freedom to choose whether they undergo a particular medical procedure.

However, freedom works both ways.

If - as I think should be the case - people are able to choose whether they get vaccinated - then I think employers should also be able to decide they don't wish to employ unvaccinated workers, certainly in respect of new employees - e.g. I support the freedom of employers to choose to hire only fully vaccinated folks - and to some extent also in terms of existing employees, particularly where spreading viruses is more likely or has more serious consequences - e.g. roles where you have contact with lots of members of the public, roles which require lots of travel, the health sector, etc.

I suspect that any employers proposing to make vaccination a condition of continued employment have probably been advised they're on safe ground legally - à la the construction company making hard hats mandatory - but either way, I don't think such a condition is any different to the sort of obligations required in most codes of conduct - not showing up to work drunk, following various safety procedures, wearing safety equipment, not endangering other employees or members of the public. We don't usually question these 'mandates'.

Ultimately, as someone mentioned above, employers are way more concerned with money than ideology. If they think it's going to cost them more not to make vaccination an employment condition, then obviously they're going to move to minimize their liability risk.

I think some folks have failed to look at the 'flip side' of the 'freedom' argument. Surely if we accept - as I do - that people are free to refuse the jab, then others are also free to try to limit their contact with unvaccinated folks? And surely employers, and for that matter pubs, restaurants, shops, and really all businesses are free to exclude certain people if they feel that they pose a safety risk?

It just seems a total hyprocisy to me to say that, on the one hand, people have the freedom not to get vaccinated, but that on the other hand, other people aren't free to exclude the unvaccinated from their workplaces, places of business etc.

(Of course there need to be exemptions for the very small number of people who may be unable to get vaccinated for medical reasons or age.)


The thing youre missing is that despite being double vaccinated you can still be carrying it and still catch it. It doesnt mean you are not a risk to anyone else. For the sake of this argument you actually could be crook as a dog and actually have covid but youre still allowed entry or to work and they cant stop you if you have that green tick
If its about reducing the risk to the public and employees then surely a rapid antigen test before starting work is the safest option? This would cover any work health safety obligations, absolutely no need for mandating vaccination.

In other news it is possible that those vaccinated are no longer classed as human with your modified RNA and infact you are now patented and have given up all your rights.
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