whufc wrote:Hopefully this is the warning shot that stops the bloody planes coming in
Not going to happen and nor should it, however the way we handle it should be.
by Dutchy » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:43 pm
whufc wrote:Hopefully this is the warning shot that stops the bloody planes coming in
by am Bays » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:46 pm
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Won't stop the planes.whufc wrote:Hopefully this is the warning shot that stops the bloody planes coming in
The old guy got it when he was in hospital in NSW.
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by am Bays » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:47 pm
Dutchy wrote:whufc wrote:Hopefully this is the warning shot that stops the bloody planes coming in
Not going to happen and nor should it, however the way we handle it should be.
by Brodlach » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:59 pm
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by MW » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:21 pm
by Dutchy » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:41 pm
by am Bays » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:08 pm
Dutchy wrote:Not a fan of Bolt, but this is a great article -
There’s no real life without risk. So how many deaths would we accept, just to live again?
by Senor Moto Gadili » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:12 pm
MW wrote:covid isnt going anywhere. Whats our trigger for "normality" when we can live with this virus in the community? certain % of vaccinated people?
by Apachebulldog » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:16 pm
Dutchy wrote:Not a fan of Bolt, but this is a great article -
We’ve got to finally ask, now that 14 million of us are locked down: how many Australians can we let die so the rest of us can live free?
Would 10 deaths a day be too many? Five? Or one?
Or is that why millions of us can’t leave home? Why children in Victoria have already missed half a year of in-class schooling? Why thousands of businesses are ruined, and crying people ring psychologists and helplines saying they can’t cope?
All that, to stop even one Australian a day from dying of this virus?
If true, we’ll never again ask our army to fight for our freedom. We’d rather live in tyranny than have even one soldier die.
But look overseas. Britain on Tuesday recorded 96 people dying of the virus. No lockdown.
Germany had 13. No lockdown. Italy 10. No lockdown. The US had 36.
Many Australians are now so virus phobic that they’ll say, see, those figures prove we’re right to crack down so hard. Here, five people have already died in this latest outbreak, all in NSW. Too many! Without lockdowns, it would be even more.
That’s probably true. Sure, there may be better ways to fight this virus, but it’s a lie to say targeted lockdowns can’t limit infections.
Nor is it true that this virus is “just like the flu”. My daughter has it, and says it’s worse than any flu she’s known.
But the five deaths in this outbreak are like the 910 before. They’re overwhelmingly of the very old and vulnerable – two women in their 90s, a man in his late 80s, a man in his 70s and a 56-year-old woman who for some unexplained reason was not taken to hospital and was found dead at home.
None deserved to die, but all – I suspect – could have been better protected, not least by themselves. We’ve been told little about these dead, but at least one of the women in her 90s had not got herself vaccinated. Nor had 24 of the 27 people in intensive care in NSW.
How much longer should we be locked up to predominantly save people who will not save themselves?
I know, every death is sad. Yet we seem weirdly sorrier if someone dies of this virus.
We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.
We still consider the more than 1100 people who die on our roads each year an acceptable price for our freedom to drive. We think 6000 deaths from alcohol each year is a bargain for the freedom to drink.
Yet just one virus death of a 90-year-old is a national tragedy, to be announced at a press conference as justification for making Australians stay at home.
Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.
Victoria’s chief health officer, Brett Sutton, absurdly boasted that his restrictions last year saved the lives of 36,000 Victorians. Paul Kelly, Australia’s chief medical officer, last year predicted between 50,000 and 150,000 deaths.
Professor Raina MacIntyre, from the University of NSW, trumped them all, predicting “up to 400,000 people dying” from a virus that’s in fact killed fewer than 1000 of us.
When experts exaggerate danger so wildly, no wonder Australians accept even wilder precautions.
Yes, lockdowns can be needed when contact tracers or hospitals are overwhelmed, but most lockdowns this year were patently useless, with cities shut for just one or two infections.
Even today’s lockdowns cannot all be necessary. The South Australian and Victorian governments have locked down their whole states, even rural towns which have never had an infection, while NSW more wisely locked down only country areas – three – where there’s some real risk.
But Australians seem so blinded by terror that they can’t work out what risks are acceptable to avoid a lockdown.
That’s partly because those who suffer most from lockdowns are people we don’t see or hear.
I’m told horror stories every day by professionals whose job is to counsel the poor, disturbed, abused and lonely – often now cut off from meaningful contact with others by lockdowns that in Melbourne total 179 days already.
I think also of the children from loveless homes, supposedly now getting at-home schooling with the help of drunk, drugged, violent or just absent parents. How many are now lost to us or forever behind?
There’s no real life without risk. So how many deaths would we accept, just to live again?
by Apachebulldog » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:25 pm
by amber_fluid » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:28 pm
Apachebulldog wrote:On a lighter note how is every one coping being at home RUOK ???
This old bloke has dug out his Call of Duty and Battlefield V and is having a great time.
by Apachebulldog » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:08 pm
by locky801 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:47 pm
Apachebulldog wrote:On a lighter note how is every one coping being at home RUOK ???
This old bloke has dug out his Call of Duty and Battlefield V and is having a great time.
by whufc » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:57 pm
by amber_fluid » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:09 pm
whufc wrote:Not really anything ground breaking and as already anticipated by some on here, the Governments plans are for a very cautious approach to easing the restrictions.
The best we can hope for next week is to be reduced down to level 4.
This comes from as close to the horses mouth as you get.
by gadj1976 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:15 pm
Apachebulldog wrote:Dutchy wrote:Not a fan of Bolt, but this is a great article -
We’ve got to finally ask, now that 14 million of us are locked down: how many Australians can we let die so the rest of us can live free?
Would 10 deaths a day be too many? Five? Or one?
Or is that why millions of us can’t leave home? Why children in Victoria have already missed half a year of in-class schooling? Why thousands of businesses are ruined, and crying people ring psychologists and helplines saying they can’t cope?
All that, to stop even one Australian a day from dying of this virus?
If true, we’ll never again ask our army to fight for our freedom. We’d rather live in tyranny than have even one soldier die.
But look overseas. Britain on Tuesday recorded 96 people dying of the virus. No lockdown.
Germany had 13. No lockdown. Italy 10. No lockdown. The US had 36.
Many Australians are now so virus phobic that they’ll say, see, those figures prove we’re right to crack down so hard. Here, five people have already died in this latest outbreak, all in NSW. Too many! Without lockdowns, it would be even more.
That’s probably true. Sure, there may be better ways to fight this virus, but it’s a lie to say targeted lockdowns can’t limit infections.
Nor is it true that this virus is “just like the flu”. My daughter has it, and says it’s worse than any flu she’s known.
But the five deaths in this outbreak are like the 910 before. They’re overwhelmingly of the very old and vulnerable – two women in their 90s, a man in his late 80s, a man in his 70s and a 56-year-old woman who for some unexplained reason was not taken to hospital and was found dead at home.
None deserved to die, but all – I suspect – could have been better protected, not least by themselves. We’ve been told little about these dead, but at least one of the women in her 90s had not got herself vaccinated. Nor had 24 of the 27 people in intensive care in NSW.
How much longer should we be locked up to predominantly save people who will not save themselves?
I know, every death is sad. Yet we seem weirdly sorrier if someone dies of this virus.
We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.
We still consider the more than 1100 people who die on our roads each year an acceptable price for our freedom to drive. We think 6000 deaths from alcohol each year is a bargain for the freedom to drink.
Yet just one virus death of a 90-year-old is a national tragedy, to be announced at a press conference as justification for making Australians stay at home.
Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.
Victoria’s chief health officer, Brett Sutton, absurdly boasted that his restrictions last year saved the lives of 36,000 Victorians. Paul Kelly, Australia’s chief medical officer, last year predicted between 50,000 and 150,000 deaths.
Professor Raina MacIntyre, from the University of NSW, trumped them all, predicting “up to 400,000 people dying” from a virus that’s in fact killed fewer than 1000 of us.
When experts exaggerate danger so wildly, no wonder Australians accept even wilder precautions.
Yes, lockdowns can be needed when contact tracers or hospitals are overwhelmed, but most lockdowns this year were patently useless, with cities shut for just one or two infections.
Even today’s lockdowns cannot all be necessary. The South Australian and Victorian governments have locked down their whole states, even rural towns which have never had an infection, while NSW more wisely locked down only country areas – three – where there’s some real risk.
But Australians seem so blinded by terror that they can’t work out what risks are acceptable to avoid a lockdown.
That’s partly because those who suffer most from lockdowns are people we don’t see or hear.
I’m told horror stories every day by professionals whose job is to counsel the poor, disturbed, abused and lonely – often now cut off from meaningful contact with others by lockdowns that in Melbourne total 179 days already.
I think also of the children from loveless homes, supposedly now getting at-home schooling with the help of drunk, drugged, violent or just absent parents. How many are now lost to us or forever behind?
There’s no real life without risk. So how many deaths would we accept, just to live again?
Yes i am a fan of my mate Bolt been following him for years.
Key points from article
We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.
Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.
But Australians seem so blinded by terror that they can’t work out what risks are acceptable to avoid a lockdown.
Its a shame some of the lefties on here and the rest of Australia do not read his investigative articles for a bit of insight and alternative point of view.
All are too busy and good at attacking the man and not the story.
by am Bays » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:17 pm
amber_fluid wrote:whufc wrote:Not really anything ground breaking and as already anticipated by some on here, the Governments plans are for a very cautious approach to easing the restrictions.
The best we can hope for next week is to be reduced down to level 4.
This comes from as close to the horses mouth as you get.
Can’t see them reducing to level 4 next week.
The following week maybe?
by amber_fluid » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:19 pm
am Bays wrote:amber_fluid wrote:whufc wrote:Not really anything ground breaking and as already anticipated by some on here, the Governments plans are for a very cautious approach to easing the restrictions.
The best we can hope for next week is to be reduced down to level 4.
This comes from as close to the horses mouth as you get.
Can’t see them reducing to level 4 next week.
The following week maybe?
I can see level four next week based on todays figures and if tomorrows figures are similar. At the very least council areas where there are no known covid exposure sites (country SA will have the restrictions eased).
by locky801 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:22 pm
amber_fluid wrote:am Bays wrote:amber_fluid wrote:whufc wrote:Not really anything ground breaking and as already anticipated by some on here, the Governments plans are for a very cautious approach to easing the restrictions.
The best we can hope for next week is to be reduced down to level 4.
This comes from as close to the horses mouth as you get.
Can’t see them reducing to level 4 next week.
The following week maybe?
I can see level four next week based on todays figures and if tomorrows figures are similar. At the very least council areas where there are no known covid exposure sites (country SA will have the restrictions eased).
Hope you’re right but tomorrow’s numbers are the key here.
by am Bays » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:24 pm
gadj1976 wrote:[
Having friends in the health system, they do make a good point. Lockdown also means those that need care get it, rather than have everyone carrying on normally and potentially injuring themselves and chocking up emergency wards with 'non critical injuries' whilst Ambulances are also taken off the road catering for these matters. Additionally, if we weren't in lockdown and the emergency wards were overrun with Covid patients and those people that suffer heart attacks, strokes etc, wouldn't be able to get care at all. I'm paraphrasing their sentiments. Ultimately it becomes a balance between how many we can live with (as per Bolt's article) but what strain does that put on our health care system and then who dies as a result of not being able to be cared for because they are not a Covid related illness? Do those stats matter?
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