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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:09 pm

Agreed, plenty of upside but it has to be a concern when your only forward who is a danger and looks to be week in week out is 31.

McAdam and Fogarty get by on 8 touches and 2 goals every time they look like getting dropped while Frampton is no good and Himmelberg can't work out if he is or not.

When they should pat Walker on the back and give him a gold watch they now have to get 2 more years out of him and hope his form remains as good as this year.

They've at least worked out it's worth spending time on Hamill, Schoenberg, Butts, Murray, McPherson, Sholl who all look more than capable to help out Doedee and Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he? ) at each end.

With Walker's form they can cut Lynch loose who is out of contract, Talia is too and might struggle for a deal and they'd be mad to sign Crouch to another deal, he also is out of contract. Let him walk.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby The Bedge » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:15 pm

Booney wrote: Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he?.

Real Bruce McAvaney moment there, wouldn't you agree? :)
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:17 pm

Oooh we got a review on a bye week. The fans down the boulevard should feel privileged [emoji3]

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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:17 pm

Booney wrote:Agreed, plenty of upside but it has to be a concern when your only forward who is a danger and looks to be week in week out is 31.

McAdam and Fogarty get by on 8 touches and 2 goals every time they look like getting dropped while Frampton is no good and Himmelberg can't work out if he is or not.

When they should pat Walker on the back and give him a gold watch they now have to get 2 more years out of him and hope his form remains as good as this year.

They've at least worked out it's worth spending time on Hamill, Schoenberg, Butts, Murray, McPherson, Sholl who all look more than capable to help out Doedee and Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he? ) at each end.

With Walker's form they can cut Lynch loose who is out of contract, Talia is too and might struggle for a deal and they'd be mad to sign Crouch to another deal, he also is out of contract. Let him walk.


I like Sholl and Keays, Laird is just brilliant, but they are relying heavily on ageing players.

Seedsman is going well but nearing 30, Brodie Smith is up and down and then they have Sloane with the massive ticker.

To me, they are in front of where I would've had them at this point of time with the list they have.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:18 pm

The Bedge wrote:
Booney wrote: Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he?.

Real Bruce McAvaney moment there, wouldn't you agree? :)

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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:20 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:Agreed, plenty of upside but it has to be a concern when your only forward who is a danger and looks to be week in week out is 31.

McAdam and Fogarty get by on 8 touches and 2 goals every time they look like getting dropped while Frampton is no good and Himmelberg can't work out if he is or not.

When they should pat Walker on the back and give him a gold watch they now have to get 2 more years out of him and hope his form remains as good as this year.

They've at least worked out it's worth spending time on Hamill, Schoenberg, Butts, Murray, McPherson, Sholl who all look more than capable to help out Doedee and Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he? ) at each end.

With Walker's form they can cut Lynch loose who is out of contract, Talia is too and might struggle for a deal and they'd be mad to sign Crouch to another deal, he also is out of contract. Let him walk.


I like Sholl and Keays, Laird is just brilliant, but they are relying heavily on ageing players.

Seedsman is going well but nearing 30, Brodie Smith is up and down and then they have Sloane with the massive ticker.

To me, they are in front of where I would've had them at this point of time with the list they have.


Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm

Booney wrote:
Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.

He looks good on the radio and scores very well in SC which generally rewards effective output.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby tigerpie » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:10 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:
Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.

He looks good on the radio and scores very well in SC which generally rewards effective output.

Agreed. Busts his guts, but panics in big moments.
He might improve after getting more games under his belt.....maybe?
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby am Bays » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:19 pm

Booney wrote:Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.


Jack Dyer said it best, "He's a good ordinary footballer"

You cant deny his effort and work rate
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:21 pm

am Bays wrote:
Booney wrote:Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.


Jack Dyer said it best, "He's a good ordinary footballer"

You cant deny his effort and work rate


Certainly not, a few of his mates in the forward half should get shown his tapes every Monday morning.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:16 pm

Booney wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:Agreed, plenty of upside but it has to be a concern when your only forward who is a danger and looks to be week in week out is 31.

McAdam and Fogarty get by on 8 touches and 2 goals every time they look like getting dropped while Frampton is no good and Himmelberg can't work out if he is or not.

When they should pat Walker on the back and give him a gold watch they now have to get 2 more years out of him and hope his form remains as good as this year.

They've at least worked out it's worth spending time on Hamill, Schoenberg, Butts, Murray, McPherson, Sholl who all look more than capable to help out Doedee and Thilthorpe ( looks a player, doesn't he? ) at each end.

With Walker's form they can cut Lynch loose who is out of contract, Talia is too and might struggle for a deal and they'd be mad to sign Crouch to another deal, he also is out of contract. Let him walk.


I like Sholl and Keays, Laird is just brilliant, but they are relying heavily on ageing players.

Seedsman is going well but nearing 30, Brodie Smith is up and down and then they have Sloane with the massive ticker.

To me, they are in front of where I would've had them at this point of time with the list they have.


Keays? Tries his guts out and given where Adelaide is at they love that and rightly so, all they can demand at the moment is effort but he's a fair dinkum plodder when there's any pressure around, his disposal is ordinary at best. He'll do a job for them for a few years but while he's in the side they're not going too far too fast.


Yeah he's no Wines or SPP is he :roll:
Without looking up the stats i would bet he's more efficient than either of them by foot
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:17 pm

Kicking efficiency

SPP 60.5%
Wines 51%
Keays 50%

Now, can we discuss one thing without entering a dick measuring contest? If you want to discuss Port in the Port thread, pop over. We were discussing Adelaide, that cool?

Ps you win. Easily the biggest. ;)
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby MW » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:13 pm

Booney wrote:Kicking efficiency

SPP 60.5%
Wines 51%
Keays 50%

Now, can we discuss one thing without entering a dick measuring contest? If you want to discuss Port in the Port thread, pop over. We were discussing Adelaide, that cool?

Ps you win. Easily the biggest. ;)


I'm gonna flop mine out...

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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:16 pm

Silvers very impressive in copping the fine on the chin, credit where it is due, Im not sure the previous CEO would have handled it this well.
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:03 am

MW wrote:
Booney wrote:Kicking efficiency

SPP 60.5%
Wines 51%
Keays 50%

Now, can we discuss one thing without entering a dick measuring contest? If you want to discuss Port in the Port thread, pop over. We were discussing Adelaide, that cool?

Ps you win. Easily the biggest. ;)


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Keays 70%


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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:04 am

Stats don't lie!

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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby whufc » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:07 am

To me the kicking efficiency stat is such as useless one when not given some perspective or surrounded by other stats.

Take a look at the below link of most efficient kicks in the league.....the top 15 includes, Ryan, Howard, Henderson, Ziebell, Alir, Lloyd, Ridley, Stewart, Jonas, Daniel. What do they all have in common, defenders who are generally kicking 15-25m sidewards around the arc looking to open up play. Start getting to the 20-30's and you get even more defenders in the vein of May, Docherty, Jiath, Birchall, Rich.

Each team would have its own players given a license to take on the inboard or riskier kick, whilst others would be told kick long to a pack eg most ruckmen. Certain players would be taking a lot more kicks inside 50 which I think most would agree is the least efficient kick in the game with teams having so many players drop deep.

I mean even think if you are team winning games potentially you are 'patting' time especially late in games making easy kicks etc whilst if you are a team chasing games you might be spending the last quarter taking on massive risks.

I think unless you start combining the efficient stat with metres gained, goal scoring involvements, clearances (given they will generally be less efficient) than the stat is so pointless.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/20/ ... n-the-afl/
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:08 am

whufc wrote:To me the kicking efficiency stat is such as useless one when not given some perspective or surrounded by other stats.

Take a look at the below link of most efficient kicks in the league.....the top 15 includes, Ryan, Howard, Henderson, Ziebell, Alir, Lloyd, Ridley, Stewart, Jonas, Daniel. What do they all have in common, defenders who are generally kicking 15-25m sidewards around the arc looking to open up play.

Each team would have its own players given a license to take on the inboard or riskier kick, whilst others would be told kick long to a pack eg most ruckmen. Certain players would be taking a lot more kicks inside 50 which I think most would agree is the least efficient kick in the game with teams having so many players drop deep.

I think unless you start combining the efficient stat with metres gained, goal scoring involvements, clearances (given they will generally be less efficient) than the stat is so pointless.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/20/ ... n-the-afl/
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:11 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:
whufc wrote:To me the kicking efficiency stat is such as useless one when not given some perspective or surrounded by other stats.

Take a look at the below link of most efficient kicks in the league.....the top 15 includes, Ryan, Howard, Henderson, Ziebell, Alir, Lloyd, Ridley, Stewart, Jonas, Daniel. What do they all have in common, defenders who are generally kicking 15-25m sidewards around the arc looking to open up play.

Each team would have its own players given a license to take on the inboard or riskier kick, whilst others would be told kick long to a pack eg most ruckmen. Certain players would be taking a lot more kicks inside 50 which I think most would agree is the least efficient kick in the game with teams having so many players drop deep.

I think unless you start combining the efficient stat with metres gained, goal scoring involvements, clearances (given they will generally be less efficient) than the stat is so pointless.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/20/ ... n-the-afl/
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Re: Adelaide 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:13 am

whufc wrote:To me the kicking efficiency stat is such as useless one when not given some perspective or surrounded by other stats.

Take a look at the below link of most efficient kicks in the league.....the top 15 includes, Ryan, Howard, Henderson, Ziebell, Alir, Lloyd, Ridley, Stewart, Jonas, Daniel. What do they all have in common, defenders who are generally kicking 15-25m sidewards around the arc looking to open up play. Start getting to the 20-30's and you get even more defenders in the vein of May, Docherty, Jiath, Birchall, Rich.

Each team would have its own players given a license to take on the inboard or riskier kick, whilst others would be told kick long to a pack eg most ruckmen. Certain players would be taking a lot more kicks inside 50 which I think most would agree is the least efficient kick in the game with teams having so many players drop deep.

I think unless you start combining the efficient stat with metres gained, goal scoring involvements, clearances (given they will generally be less efficient) than the stat is so pointless.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/20/ ... n-the-afl/


You mean the position they play impacts how effective their disposals would be? NO WAY!
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