by Psyber » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:07 am
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:34 pm
Psyber wrote:Well, if the drivers of electric vehicles don't pay to maintain the roads somehow should the rest of us be excused from the component of petrol or diesel fuel pricing that is levied for the same purpose?
by Trader » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:40 pm
Q. wrote:Psyber wrote:Well, if the drivers of electric vehicles don't pay to maintain the roads somehow should the rest of us be excused from the component of petrol or diesel fuel pricing that is levied for the same purpose?
Two things here:
1. Fuel excise does not go toward road maintenance and hasn't for decades
2. EV cars already pay more total tax over the life of a vehicle than ICE cars
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:48 pm
Psyber wrote:I have been looking at the electric and hybrid market as I'm thinking of replacing my wife's old i30 with an SUV, but there are two significant issues that concern me about that direction. One is the limited range of current purely electric vehicles. The other is the fact that the batteries have limited life, are not being recycled because it costs a lot more than just making a new one, and that Lithium is a highly toxic material not easily disposed of if not being recycled.
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:52 pm
Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Psyber wrote:Well, if the drivers of electric vehicles don't pay to maintain the roads somehow should the rest of us be excused from the component of petrol or diesel fuel pricing that is levied for the same purpose?
Two things here:
1. Fuel excise does not go toward road maintenance and hasn't for decades
2. EV cars already pay more total tax over the life of a vehicle than ICE cars
I haven't done any research, and am taking you at your word that fuel excise doesn't go to road maintenance. That's fine.
What does it go to? (To be honest, I don't care).
Whatever the answer is, that item needs funding, and if there is a decrease in fuel excise coming in as more cars become EVs, then that tax needs to be replaced.
(I get that you were just responding to the argument posted above about maintaining roads - I was just continuing the discussion in a different direction).
by Trader » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:57 pm
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:05 pm
Trader wrote:Is it true that EV cars pay more tax than ICE as they are more expensive and are therefore paying more stamp duty, etc?
Or are there specific taxes that only apply to EV cars? (other than this current one we are discussing). If so, do you know what they are?
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:10 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:05 pm
Q. wrote:Trader wrote:Is it true that EV cars pay more tax than ICE as they are more expensive and are therefore paying more stamp duty, etc?
Or are there specific taxes that only apply to EV cars? (other than this current one we are discussing). If so, do you know what they are?
LCT + stamp duty + GST
by Q. » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:59 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:Q. wrote:Trader wrote:Is it true that EV cars pay more tax than ICE as they are more expensive and are therefore paying more stamp duty, etc?
Or are there specific taxes that only apply to EV cars? (other than this current one we are discussing). If so, do you know what they are?
LCT + stamp duty + GST
There must be a tax on EVs I dont know about
Luxury Car Tax comes in at a higher price for fuel efficient cars - $75,526 and $67,525 for all other vehicles.
by daysofourlives » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:27 pm
Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Psyber wrote:Well, if the drivers of electric vehicles don't pay to maintain the roads somehow should the rest of us be excused from the component of petrol or diesel fuel pricing that is levied for the same purpose?
Two things here:
1. Fuel excise does not go toward road maintenance and hasn't for decades
2. EV cars already pay more total tax over the life of a vehicle than ICE cars
I haven't done any research, and am taking you at your word that fuel excise doesn't go to road maintenance. That's fine.
What does it go to? (To be honest, I don't care).
Whatever the answer is, that item needs funding, and if there is a decrease in fuel excise coming in as more cars become EVs, then that tax needs to be replaced.
(I get that you were just responding to the argument posted above about maintaining roads - I was just continuing the discussion in a different direction).
by stan » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:07 pm
The NWOdaysofourlives wrote:Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Psyber wrote:Well, if the drivers of electric vehicles don't pay to maintain the roads somehow should the rest of us be excused from the component of petrol or diesel fuel pricing that is levied for the same purpose?
Two things here:
1. Fuel excise does not go toward road maintenance and hasn't for decades
2. EV cars already pay more total tax over the life of a vehicle than ICE cars
I haven't done any research, and am taking you at your word that fuel excise doesn't go to road maintenance. That's fine.
What does it go to? (To be honest, I don't care).
Whatever the answer is, that item needs funding, and if there is a decrease in fuel excise coming in as more cars become EVs, then that tax needs to be replaced.
(I get that you were just responding to the argument posted above about maintaining roads - I was just continuing the discussion in a different direction).
The elite. 1%, illuminati, whatever you want to call them
by Dinglinga75 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:41 pm
by Psyber » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:29 pm
by Q. » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:09 pm
Psyber wrote:I'll accept the argument that the fuel tax may not all go to roads but into the general pool, as I can't be bothered researching it.
However, if current batteries are so good and durable, when it came to my solar panels on the roof why did the guys doing every quote I got in advise me to put in a battery ready system but hold of on buying the battery until the technology and life span is better??
I can't see any gain for them as I had the cash to pay for the lot outright.
(I'm also still concern about disposal of the lithium residuals when they do die.)
by Trader » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm
Q. wrote:Here's the thing, as car batteries improve to last between 5,000 and more than 10,000 cycles (we will be at +10,000 by 2030), we won't even need to install home batteries. The car will act as the source of power at night - charge during the day using solar, then use it to power the home at night. Essentially, rapid uptake of EV will stabilise the grid.
by Q. » Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:00 am
Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Here's the thing, as car batteries improve to last between 5,000 and more than 10,000 cycles (we will be at +10,000 by 2030), we won't even need to install home batteries. The car will act as the source of power at night - charge during the day using solar, then use it to power the home at night. Essentially, rapid uptake of EV will stabilise the grid.
How does the car charge during the day when the solar panels are on the roof of my home and the car is in the work carpark?
by Armchair expert » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:24 am
Q. wrote:Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Here's the thing, as car batteries improve to last between 5,000 and more than 10,000 cycles (we will be at +10,000 by 2030), we won't even need to install home batteries. The car will act as the source of power at night - charge during the day using solar, then use it to power the home at night. Essentially, rapid uptake of EV will stabilise the grid.
How does the car charge during the day when the solar panels are on the roof of my home and the car is in the work carpark?
The work carpark will have charging points that run on solar.
by Q. » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:14 am
Armchair expert wrote:Q. wrote:Trader wrote:Q. wrote:Here's the thing, as car batteries improve to last between 5,000 and more than 10,000 cycles (we will be at +10,000 by 2030), we won't even need to install home batteries. The car will act as the source of power at night - charge during the day using solar, then use it to power the home at night. Essentially, rapid uptake of EV will stabilise the grid.
How does the car charge during the day when the solar panels are on the roof of my home and the car is in the work carpark?
The work carpark will have charging points that run on solar.
What if the carpark is underground
by Psyber » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:48 pm
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