by tipper » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:13 am
bennymacca wrote:even within the same industry it occurs.
by HH3 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:13 am
tipper wrote:bennymacca wrote:
I know you are probably saying this tongue in cheek, but you still are misunderstanding the point that even if you control for all of those factors, there is still a difference in wages.
but how though? is there a workplace that pays men and women differently?
if more women make a personal choice to work in a lower paying industry, how is that the fault of society?
i think the other day that child care, and welding were compared as an example as to a wage gap. both were supposedly a similar qualification (certificate 3??) but one is paid better than the other. i fail to see the issue. unless something or someone is preventing women from doing welding, or preventing men from doing child care, how is that an example of a wage gap? how can we compensate for people choosing lower paid employment?
by tipper » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:17 am
HH3 wrote:tipper wrote:bennymacca wrote:
I know you are probably saying this tongue in cheek, but you still are misunderstanding the point that even if you control for all of those factors, there is still a difference in wages.
but how though? is there a workplace that pays men and women differently?
if more women make a personal choice to work in a lower paying industry, how is that the fault of society?
i think the other day that child care, and welding were compared as an example as to a wage gap. both were supposedly a similar qualification (certificate 3??) but one is paid better than the other. i fail to see the issue. unless something or someone is preventing women from doing welding, or preventing men from doing child care, how is that an example of a wage gap? how can we compensate for people choosing lower paid employment?
Yeah that confused me as well. When they said they were striking for a pay rise, I thought fair enough, They want more money. Who doesn't?
When they went on to say it was because of the "gender pay gap", I thought, wow, dudes in childcare must get paid heaps more than women.
Then I read the comparison to welders and stopped reading. What a load of shit.
by bennymacca » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:20 am
HH3 wrote:tipper wrote:bennymacca wrote:
I know you are probably saying this tongue in cheek, but you still are misunderstanding the point that even if you control for all of those factors, there is still a difference in wages.
but how though? is there a workplace that pays men and women differently?
if more women make a personal choice to work in a lower paying industry, how is that the fault of society?
i think the other day that child care, and welding were compared as an example as to a wage gap. both were supposedly a similar qualification (certificate 3??) but one is paid better than the other. i fail to see the issue. unless something or someone is preventing women from doing welding, or preventing men from doing child care, how is that an example of a wage gap? how can we compensate for people choosing lower paid employment?
Yeah that confused me as well. When they said they were striking for a pay rise, I thought fair enough, They want more money. Who doesn't?
When they went on to say it was because of the "gender pay gap", I thought, wow, dudes in childcare must get paid heaps more than women.
Then I read the comparison to welders and stopped reading. What a load of shit.
by tipper » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:26 am
bennymacca wrote:
This i agree with. Its not about making sure women dominated industries get paid the same as male dominated industries just because.
Ill use my profession as an example. A woman engineer with no kids is still on average getting paid less than a man engineer. And I have heard anecdotes about it being intimidating for women entering male dominated industries. Those are things that are being addressed in my workplace, and should continue to be.
by HH3 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:30 am
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by Trader » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:50 pm
bennymacca wrote:Do you think that there is not a single study that tries to control for these factors?
http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/topstories/higher-proportion-of-gender-pay-gap-unexplained-in-australia-than-in-us-uk-research-shows/ar-BBqRcqD?ocid=spartanntp
The study looked at a sample of 4,044 salaries anonymously reported on the Glassdoor website by Australian employees.
Of that sample, 77 per cent were male and 23 per cent were female — which the research acknowledged was not necessarily representative of the overall labour market.
From that, Glassdoor estimated there to be a 17.3 per cent "unadjusted" gap in base pay between Australian men and women.
Although, when age, education and years of experience were considered, that gap shrunk to 12 per cent.
It narrowed further to an "adjusted" 3.9 per cent when a richer set of variables were examined, including the specific industry, occupation, state, year, firm size, company and job title.
In the UK the "adjusted" pay gap was 5.5 per cent, while the US figure was slightly lower at 5.4 per cent.
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