by Wedgie » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:33 am
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by RB » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:01 pm
Magellan wrote:MW wrote:Come out to local footy with your mates in an environment...without being crushed by ridiculous crowds.
Definitely 100% correct on that score. There is certainly no chance of being crushed, although that's because the attendances hardly fall within the popular definition of the term 'crowd'.
To be serious, yes, I agree there are some salient points you raise about the positives of the comp - family vibe, playing for the jumper etc. Mind you, I can watch lower grades and still see talented kids, and playing against an 18 year old AFL-listed draftee is hardly a marquee match-up. Seeing a part-time SANFL player line up against Taylor Walker will bring AFL acolytes through the gates, but is not a sustainable marketing strategy. As a footballing contest, top-flight AFL professionals coming back from injury vs SANFL part-timer is, you'd have to admit, a contest likely to be resolved in the former's favour.
Look, I'll tell you why we're all negative. Politics. In three years the product that the SANFL is peddling had dropped considerably, and those with a strong connection to it are concerned on a number of fronts. We might be dreaming, as we kept being told, but we want an AFL free comp administered by a governing body who cares about its long-term future. Not an SANFL pre-1991, that is gone. An SANFL circa 2013 that recognises its place in the footy world would suit. If you want to force change you want in the world, you have bring attention to it what you see is wrong. Sitting around telling everyone about the silver lining and positives that are largely outweighed by the negatives of inequity, integrity, and poor administration isn't going to achieve the results we want, no matter how valid those positives might be in and of themselves. The more we agitate and express our disenchantment, not just here in the echo-chamber of the internet but out in the real world, the more likely that seed might just germinate somewhere that starts the process that gets us a better outcome than the one we've got. Maybe that seed was sown on the weekend. Time (and Jars ) will tell. In the interim, we'll keep pushing our barrow.
by tipper » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:12 pm
RB wrote:Magellan wrote:MW wrote:Come out to local footy with your mates in an environment...without being crushed by ridiculous crowds.
Definitely 100% correct on that score. There is certainly no chance of being crushed, although that's because the attendances hardly fall within the popular definition of the term 'crowd'.
To be serious, yes, I agree there are some salient points you raise about the positives of the comp - family vibe, playing for the jumper etc. Mind you, I can watch lower grades and still see talented kids, and playing against an 18 year old AFL-listed draftee is hardly a marquee match-up. Seeing a part-time SANFL player line up against Taylor Walker will bring AFL acolytes through the gates, but is not a sustainable marketing strategy. As a footballing contest, top-flight AFL professionals coming back from injury vs SANFL part-timer is, you'd have to admit, a contest likely to be resolved in the former's favour.
Look, I'll tell you why we're all negative. Politics. In three years the product that the SANFL is peddling had dropped considerably, and those with a strong connection to it are concerned on a number of fronts. We might be dreaming, as we kept being told, but we want an AFL free comp administered by a governing body who cares about its long-term future. Not an SANFL pre-1991, that is gone. An SANFL circa 2013 that recognises its place in the footy world would suit. If you want to force change you want in the world, you have bring attention to it what you see is wrong. Sitting around telling everyone about the silver lining and positives that are largely outweighed by the negatives of inequity, integrity, and poor administration isn't going to achieve the results we want, no matter how valid those positives might be in and of themselves. The more we agitate and express our disenchantment, not just here in the echo-chamber of the internet but out in the real world, the more likely that seed might just germinate somewhere that starts the process that gets us a better outcome than the one we've got. Maybe that seed was sown on the weekend. Time (and Jars ) will tell. In the interim, we'll keep pushing our barrow.
I still think having the AFL Reserves teams in the SANFL Reserves wouldn't be a bad option, I mean no-one gives a toss about reserves, right? Obviously I'd rather they piss right off but I find it strange that no-one advocates this position.
by LPH » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:30 pm
by MW » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:41 pm
Magellan wrote:MW wrote:Come out to local footy with your mates in an environment...without being crushed by ridiculous crowds.
Definitely 100% correct on that score. There is certainly no chance of being crushed, although that's because the attendances hardly fall within the popular definition of the term 'crowd'.
To be serious, yes, I agree there are some salient points you raise about the positives of the comp - family vibe, playing for the jumper etc. Mind you, I can watch lower grades and still see talented kids, and playing against an 18 year old AFL-listed draftee is hardly a marquee match-up. Seeing a part-time SANFL player line up against Taylor Walker will bring AFL acolytes through the gates, but is not a sustainable marketing strategy. As a footballing contest, top-flight AFL professionals coming back from injury vs SANFL part-timer is, you'd have to admit, a contest likely to be resolved in the former's favour.
Look, I'll tell you why we're all negative. Politics. In three years the product that the SANFL is peddling had dropped considerably, and those with a strong connection to it are concerned on a number of fronts. We might be dreaming, as we kept being told, but we want an AFL free comp administered by a governing body who cares about its long-term future. Not an SANFL pre-1991, that is gone. An SANFL circa 2013 that recognises its place in the footy world would suit. If you want to force change you want in the world, you have bring attention to it what you see is wrong. Sitting around telling everyone about the silver lining and positives that are largely outweighed by the negatives of inequity, integrity, and poor administration isn't going to achieve the results we want, no matter how valid those positives might be in and of themselves. The more we agitate and express our disenchantment, not just here in the echo-chamber of the internet but out in the real world, the more likely that seed might just germinate somewhere that starts the process that gets us a better outcome than the one we've got. Maybe that seed was sown on the weekend. Time (and Jars ) will tell. In the interim, we'll keep pushing our barrow.
by therisingblues » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:32 pm
MW wrote:You are right Cracka but once again, these guys read what they want to read. It's sad really.
by Sheik Yerbouti » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:34 pm
Wedgie wrote:Thank god Triple M changed back to classic rock as opposed to the 90s bogan rock playlist it had for a while. Probably realised most of their listeners were in jail for domestic violence.
by therisingblues » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:44 pm
Wedgie wrote:Jake Parkinson, the SANFL CEO was on Triple M this morning.
Said that because the two finals on the weekend rated on TV (74k for South v Sturt and 50k for Crows v Central), over 8k were at the game, increased memberships and 3 clubs have improved their crowds this year the SANFL is doing swimmingly at the moment, he also said only Centrals were against the AFL cancer.
They had a quick poll of callers (I’d imagine most wouldn’t even go to SANFL games although I suspect ‘Tony from Allenby Gardens does') and 62.5% voted to leave the Crows in.
by Douglas Mawson » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:04 pm
by therisingblues » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:23 pm
Douglas Mawson wrote:I am going to do this in a non-defamatory way but, Mods, feel free to kill it if you think it warranted:
I am genuinely interested in how John Olsen will reflect upon his time in public life when it ends. It is true to say that the privatisation of ETSA, the selling off of part of the SA water supply to United Water/Veolia, the inducements allegedly made to Motorola, and his resignation as Premier are some of the most heavily commentated issues in the recent history of this State. Decisions made on his watch by the League regarding allowing AFL clubs access to the SANFL competition on terms that have nothing to do with "competition" now rival some of the all time most commentated issues which have confronted the SANFL (and there have been plenty over the journey).
It will be an odd legacy to say the least. The scribes regularly say that service in public life should never be prioritised by a quest for popularity but by honesty, integrity, consistency etc.
I reakon* Olsen won't say he strove for popularity so he will probably give himself a tick for that. But how will he judge his outcomes on other criteria?
I should have thought that being Prez at a time when disenchantment with the integrity of the comp, falling crowd support, falling revenue, falling profile, loss of status nationwide, and the general negativity which the SANFL continuously now attracts as a sport, would be the last thing I would want on my watch. Certainly none of this is popular - so what other criteria could it possibly tick?
It will genuinely be interesting to catch up with him in say 10 years time when this current situation will most definitely have resolved itself (one way or another) and do the introspection dance.
by JK » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:35 pm
by matt35 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:56 pm
by Gozu » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:45 pm
matt35 wrote:Nothing wrong with Fresh FM; just saying!
by matt35 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:56 pm
by VALE PARK » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:34 pm
by heater31 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:42 pm
VALE PARK wrote:Just heard Gotch on the radio.
He loves the Crows reserves in the comp.
Good luck South on weekend,you will need it!
Crows by 10 goals I reckon.
by zipzap » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:45 pm
Wedgie wrote:Jake Parkinson...Said that because the two finals on the weekend rated on TV (74k for South v Sturt and 50k for Crows v Central), over 8k were at the game, increased memberships and 3 clubs have improved their crowds this year the SANFL is doing swimmingly at the moment, he also said only Centrals were against the AFL cancer.
by VALE PARK » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:01 pm
by Keefy » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:04 pm
VALE PARK wrote:8000+ good.
How many free tickets?
Crows members
Power members
SACA members
Loads of free tickets to SANFL members.
His many actually paid to attend!
Next year they will probably open the gates!
by Wedgie » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:08 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
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